Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

How quickly you forget,Johny Cronk aka John Morris was a backup hooker from Newie who Sheens claimed would be our "Cooper Cronk" and be a great half for us.The poor bloke was completely unsuited to the position but for 3 years Tim kept on banging the square peg into the round hole hoping it would work.It was destroying Morris as a player and our team at the time.
For me and many others that was the end of the honeymoon for Tim not because he got it wrong but because he was so stubborn and pig headed he would not admit he was wrong and make adjustments.I was pleased for Morris when he finally went to the sharks and played in his correct position and did a decent job.
I will always appreciate 2005 and his years before it but i will never give him plaudits for his many stuffups.This year is looking like one of his worst years because he has learned nothing and still will not admit to his mistakes
Ok now it makes sense with you correctly naming him John Morris.
 
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There u go again, the Sheens bashing. Years before it?? 2010&2011 were also good years should of really won in 11. But before 2005?? I think your drinking the cool aid again!
Totally don’t agree on this year so far, last year yes, but that was always a train wreck with the Maguire free fall that was only going one way since he got here.
This year we have won a truck load of stats in games that should of won us a lot more games if it wasn’t for poor halves. I think this year has been ok considering that, mostly because of api. Klemmer and Bateman have also been great. Look with all the injuries to key players we could finish the year of poorly. Sheens was always planning to get a controlling half so brooks can play his natural game as a ball runner. It’s amazing that in 10 years of various lame coaches could not recognise that brooks doesn’t have the ability to control a team/game.
With us stinking it up for so long and the rarity is great controlling halves these days, it’s hardly surprising that we can’t land one!
Look at the flogs they are one win ahead of us with a hundred more points against. With the great Gus gold buying all the best players and coaches in the comp, not doing much better than us. So just stop going from topic to topic bringing up all your hate!
Sheens faces exactly the same problems previous coaches have faced but have carried the blame for - the inability of this club to compete against others to recruit/ retain talent - young and experienced.
Trading on his past achievements does not work at this club - didn't for Maguire or Cleary who faced the same barriers. You can't pick and choose which coaches to bash while excusing another because to date they have all failed with squads that have just not been good enough - not just to win a competition but to even make the eight.
And the blokes at the top do very little to change the stink around the club but still they are the one constant.
Fulton their new great hope.
 
The trouble with our club was they did not go down the pathways road ten years ago when the slump first started. Instead they kept blowing the cap on average players trying to get instant success.

The NRL has always had a shortage of available talent and when it becomes available it goes to the better teams not the lower teams that’s why the pathways system is our future. Okay we will have talent defect to the better teams like Moses and Teddy but you have to keep producing the talent to fill the gaps, because we can’t attract the talent from outside
 
How quickly you forget,Johny Cronk aka John Morris was a backup hooker from Newie who Sheens claimed would be our "Cooper Cronk" and be a great half for us.The poor bloke was completely unsuited to the position but for 3 years Tim kept on banging the square peg into the round hole hoping it would work.It was destroying Morris as a player and our team at the time.
For me and many others that was the end of the honeymoon for Tim not because he got it wrong but because he was so stubborn and pig headed he would not admit he was wrong and make adjustments.I was pleased for Morris when he finally went to the sharks and played in his correct position and did a decent job.
I will always appreciate 2005 and his years before it but i will never give him plaudits for his many stuffups.This year is looking like one of his worst years because he has learned nothing and still will not admit to his mistakes


We probably see about 1 percent on what goes on at the club so hard to comment.

Who know if its a selection or recruitment issue.

It's not like he working at the Roosters.
 
The trouble with our club was they did not go down the pathways road ten years ago when the slump first started. Instead they kept blowing the cap on average players trying to get instant success.

The NRL has always had a shortage of available talent and when it becomes available it goes to the better teams not the lower teams that’s why the pathways system is our future. Okay we will have talent defect to the better teams like Moses and Teddy but you have to keep producing the talent to fill the gaps, because we can’t attract the talent from outside
One thing that Madge spoke about also in signing players is captain material as well as ability . Blore and felody were both captains I believe.
Rua is captain of cup
Captains are generally mentally tougher which is something that the tigers have lacked for years
It’s really the only reason why Hastings gets a lot of love imo
 
How quickly you forget,Johny Cronk aka John Morris was a backup hooker from Newie who Sheens claimed would be our "Cooper Cronk" and be a great half for us.The poor bloke was completely unsuited to the position but for 3 years Tim kept on banging the square peg into the round hole hoping it would work.It was destroying Morris as a player and our team at the time.
For me and many others that was the end of the honeymoon for Tim not because he got it wrong but because he was so stubborn and pig headed he would not admit he was wrong and make adjustments.I was pleased for Morris when he finally went to the sharks and played in his correct position and did a decent job.
I will always appreciate 2005 and his years before it but i will never give him plaudits for his many stuffups.This year is looking like one of his worst years because he has learned nothing and still will not admit to his mistakes
Hence why he was sacked by 2 clubs in the super league
 
What position does Tony Pellows play?
As just been signed by Cessnock Goannas in the Newcastle competition?
 
I think Sheens circa 2023 is more the public face of the club than the head coach. I think Benji, Farah and Furner do the coaching. Sure he would have plenty of input and probably does a lot of the motivational stuff. The media seem to give him a lot of respect and that takes some heat off the club. I see his role at the club to be like uncle Wayne at the Dolphins.

Personally although I was one of the people banging for his sacking all those years ago, I am happy to give the present set up a couple of years. Coaches,CEO’s and a strong boardroom make a difference, but at the end of the day it’s your roster that wins matches
 
There u go again, the Sheens bashing. Years before it?? 2010&2011 were also good years should of really won in 11. But before 2005?? I think your drinking the cool aid again!
Totally don’t agree on this year so far, last year yes, but that was always a train wreck with the Maguire free fall that was only going one way since he got here.
This year we have won a truck load of stats in games that should of won us a lot more games if it wasn’t for poor halves. I think this year has been ok considering that, mostly because of api. Klemmer and Bateman have also been great. Look with all the injuries to key players we could finish the year of poorly. Sheens was always planning to get a controlling half so brooks can play his natural game as a ball runner. It’s amazing that in 10 years of various lame coaches could not recognise that brooks doesn’t have the ability to control a team/game.
With us stinking it up for so long and the rarity is great controlling halves these days, it’s hardly surprising that we can’t land one!
Look at the flogs they are one win ahead of us with a hundred more points against. With the great Gus gold buying all the best players and coaches in the comp, not doing much better than us. So just stop going from topic to topic bringing up all your hate!
It won’t be long and API Bateman Klemmer etc will be sick of creating great stats that are turned into nothing and will be looking to move on + our youngsters won’t be far behind
 
It won’t be long and API Bateman Klemmer etc will be sick of creating great stats that are turned into nothing and will be looking to move on + our youngsters won’t be far behind
Wrong , they know why they are here it was clear to them the club would be investing in their juniors with the help of these guys when they signed on,not trying to buy a premiership like the Dogs
 
Don't compare 2023 Tim Sheens to 2005 Tim Sheens.

Compare 2023 Tim Sheens to 2003 Tim Sheens.

That is where we are at in squad development. Clearing out old, sifting through the new.
Shouldn't he have been doing that last year?
 
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I think everyone's version of success this season is quite interesting.

For many, I expect that making the playoffs would be success. Or no less than winning a premiership perhaps?

But in reality- are the current Tigers anywhere near that level?

For some, I expect this season was always going to be a fail.

I don't THINK Api, Klemmer, Bateman etc will actually win a premiership with us.

But, if Tallyn Da Silva, Pole, Utoikamanu, Matamua, Bula etc learn how to compete from these guys, then it's money well spent.

I think if we view success in terms of how much closer we get with the squad's ability to a premiership challenging squad- I think we are ahead on last year. Tupou, Bula, Pole, Da Silva all look like long term GOOD players. If we can add Fainu, excellent. To'a looks to be stepping into that group. There are a promising handful of forwards at the club in their early 20's. there's an even larger handful coming through the next level of junior ranks.

Sheens came into the job saying 'development club' & that his job was to get the squad ready for Benji. I honestly believe he has the squad heading in that direction.
 
How quickly you forget,Johny Cronk aka John Morris was a backup hooker from Newie who Sheens claimed would be our "Cooper Cronk" and be a great half for us.The poor bloke was completely unsuited to the position but for 3 years Tim kept on banging the square peg into the round hole hoping it would work.It was destroying Morris as a player and our team at the time.
For me and many others that was the end of the honeymoon for Tim not because he got it wrong but because he was so stubborn and pig headed he would not admit he was wrong and make adjustments.I was pleased for Morris when he finally went to the sharks and played in his correct position and did a decent job.
I will always appreciate 2005 and his years before it but i will never give him plaudits for his many stuffups.This year is looking like one of his worst years because he has learned nothing and still will not admit to his mistakes
Exactly

And this is why brooks had to go

Because sheens kept playing him as a half back - saying “it doesn’t matter what number 6 or 7”

He keeps justifying that -

Which is why the tigers never succeeded with brooks

He was a running 6

And why sheens only success was when we had an actual 7 - in prince and lui

Every time he has tried to make a 6 into a 7 we have never had success

I don’t know why he doesn’t see this

And for everyone saying 6 and 7 are the same

They aren’t

You need a controlling 7 - every successful team has a loud, controlling, organizing half

it just confuses players otherwise

Why doesn’t Cleary, Hughes, DCE, Hunt, moses etc wear 6? Because they control. They are the 7.

This is tim sheens biggest flaw

And why brooks will probably kill it at manly

And everyone saying he won halfback of the year - was when benji played at 6, but was the actual 7.
 
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Shouldn't he have been doing that last year?
To a degree. There were a number of players moved on & added during the course of last season & now though, so in some ways, he was- just not directly.

Could he have started coaching mid-way through last year? Yes he could. Kimmorley never stood a chance. Why didn't he? No idea. I have to believe there was a reason we are not privvy to. I'm ok with that.

I highly doubt that Sheens was 'hands-off' through last season after Maguire was moved on. He migt have been a step behind, but I'd say he was about as 'hands-off' as Gould is & has been at the Bulldogs.
 
Exactly

And this is why brooks had to go

Because sheens kept playing him as a half back - saying “it doesn’t matter what number 6 or 7”

He keeps justifying that -

Which is why the tigers never succeeded with brooks

He was a running 6

And why sheens only success was when we had an actual 7 - in prince and lui

Every time he has tried to make a 6 into a 7 we have never had success

I don’t know why he doesn’t see this

And for everyone saying 6 and 7 are the same

They aren’t

You need a controlling 7 - every successful team has a loud, controlling, organizing half

it just confuses players otherwise

Why doesn’t Cleary, Hughes, DCE, Hunt, moses etc wear 6? Because they control. They are the 7.

This is tim sheens biggest flaw

And why brooks will probably kill it at manly

And everyone saying he won halfback of the year - was when benji played at 6, but was the actual 7.
Foran, Cliff Lyons, Jason Smith, Scott Hill, Munster, Lockyer etc.

It's not ALWAYS the #7.

If you forget the number & look at the role- I believe that is more where Sheens is coming from. Yes, you need someone directing the team. But at 6 or 7 can be somewhat irrelevant. Does Ilias or Cody walker run the Bunnies attack?
 
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