Russian invasion of Ukraine
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Why use two words when one is enough?
leichhardtjunior
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Meow 😸
stryker 69
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War should never be glorified.
War should never be televised.
War should never be a point scoring punchline.
Innocent people are losing their lives as we speak.
War should never be televised.
War should never be a point scoring punchline.
Innocent people are losing their lives as we speak.
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earl
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Some people today appear to lose all perspective. Something clearly wrong becomes something else entirely.
Putin is a dictator who has invaded a country and people are dying without a good reason. That is the issue and people playing point scoring games trying to blame whoever they don't like at this point in time should have a good look at themselves.
If it was your family dying I wonder if the point scoring nonsense would continue.
I think war should be televised. People should realize war is barbaric.
TillLindemann
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So presumably you will delete your point scoring posts about conservatives, Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Fox news?
earl
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That wasn't point scoring. This is an issue about Putin and specifically autocratic dictators and how they roll. Anyone supporting autocratic dictators is in my opinion completely screwed up and they have lost all perspective.
I'm pretty sure you blamed this on someone other than Putin - correct ?
earl
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It's not a joke.
leichhardtjunior
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That wasn't point scoring. This is an issue about Putin and specifically autocratic dictators and how they roll. Anyone supporting autocratic dictators is in my opinion completely screwed up and they have lost all perspective.
Again with the my opinions the right opinion crap. You’ll never learn Earl.gov
TillLindemann
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Incorrect. Of course it is Putin's fault. And his aggression was facilitated by completely inept Western leadership.
I don't know why you think criticism of that current leadership calling the shots right now is irrelevant 'point scoring', but criticism of former leaders who aren't calling the shots now is somehow highly relevant and insightful.
earl
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It's silly to blame this invasion on the west.
TillLindemann
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Maybe you misinterpreted my statement that said "of course it is Putin's fault"?
But of course also there are other factors that enabled it, most notably Biden's public promise to not offer any military support in the event of invasion. Such a limp stance makes war far more likely. It is foreign policy 101.
Xi Jinping now knows full well the only response to invading Taiwan will be 'strong condemnation' and a few meaningless sanctions. So we can expect more war in 2022.
You seem to be oversimplifying the issue, as though having some blowhard in power in the US making idle threats would have averted everything. It wouldn't. What Putin is seeking to capitalise on is the increasing diffusion of power in Western democracies. The people have much more influence over the decisions made by their leaders and the people (as a voting majority) have very little appetite for war. I imagine the voting majority in Russia have very little appetite for war either, but they are disempowered.
The US does not want to involve itself in another war: it can't afford to (which is why any threats would have been idle). The EU has no appetite for war. The majority want to move towards a post-war world. Continuing to respond to aggression with retaliatory or retributive aggression will never achieve that, it will just continue the same old cycle. Putin has no interest in playing by the rules, he is enjoying the fact that others have constrained themselves by rules which he feels free to disregard and capitalise on. He does not have the same accountability or scrutiny as leaders in Western democracies.
So a new way needs to be formulated to reign in someone like Putin, a way that does not involve bombing the crap out of a civilian population that would probably rather not have their leader stomping around trying to expand his legacy with no regard for the lives lost along the way. If you've got some great solution then fire away.
TillLindemann
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No I am not advocating a 'blowhard' in power, just one with basic competence. There is not a single president who has ever been in office who would have been inept enough to publicly tell one of its primary adversaries 'if you invade, we won't help them militarily'. Even if you don't intend to offer military support, you don't come out and say it, there must always be room for doubt. And this is not just about America, France and Germany have looked even worse.
leichhardtjunior
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“The people have much more influence over the decisions made by their leaders and the people (as a voting majority)” 😂😂😂
“their leader stomping around trying to expand his legacy with no regard for the lives lost along the way”
Question: Have you met the British Empire?
“their leader stomping around trying to expand his legacy with no regard for the lives lost along the way”
Question: Have you met the British Empire?
Question: do you think the British Empire is still a thing?
That would not have changed anything. Decisions are not made on the basis of stated public positions, they are made based on what they think will actually be done. So fine, bag him. Maybe it would have been better had he said something else. But it didn't change the course of events. Putin would not have had all of his troop movements in place only to turn around and skulk back at the slightest public comment of threat from the US and you've misread the man and his motives if you think otherwise.
