Russian invasion of Ukraine

You know what, we can all have (good faith and good natured) intellectual discussions about the motives for this war, geopolitics and barrels of oil....at the end of the day it comes down to this. This was a city where people lived, humans formed families, had kids, lived their lives.

Disgusting

 
He wasn't talking about you 🙂
You know what, we can all have (good faith and good natured) intellectual discussions about the motives for this war, geopolitics and barrels of oil....at the end of the day it comes down to this. This was a city where people lived, humans formed families, had kids, lived their lives.

Disgusting


Good faith? Piss off already ..
 
Why should it choose to come under U.S. control?

Wrong.
Turkey and Greece are in NATO and there are many flaspoints but the NATO policy is equal distances between NATO allies. Both have been in the alliance since 1952.



I agree with this 100%

Hungary invaded the Soviet Union so the Soviets viewed them as an enemy conquest and buffer against marauders from the west.


Don't know if you watched the Stan Grant interview with Julie Bishop the other night. It was a very candid interview and Bishop was genuine and honest and expressed the government view when she was a minister that would reflect general western policy.

Now don't quote me word for word but she generally outlined that the principle in Ukraine after obviously Ukraine's interest is that "we must preserve the international rules based order created by the United States and upheld by them since WW2.

Now that sounds like hegemony to me.

It means the U.S. makes breaks applys and interprets the rules. Who gave them this mandate?

The Soviet Union was arguably the main player in winning WW2 what rights did they have,and which did Russia inherit from them? And China.? And everyone else?

The UN security council architecture dosent reflect U.S. hegemony so it's a title that they assumed themselves along with the west.

And it's arrogant. Some may think haughty but that would mean they had the power to enforce and project enough power to enforce the mandate they somehow arbitrarily and unilaterally assumed. They behave unilaterally and the powers they assume to have are not congruent with their ability to make others comply as we saw this week. They talk about their new world order but China and Russia want a newer one reflecting multilateralism which has been in force in reality for at least 10 years now.

Russia called them out and tested them and the U.S. backed off. Multilateralism already exists but it seems that the U.S. is suffering from a political cognitive dissonance and wants to not accept this or form cold war economic blocks. So they lost got on their bike and went their own way.
what doe.s hegemony mean?russia n china have been pushing this BS 4 the last5 yrs,china does not want to be part of the gang of friends.wotwot
 
I don't think the sanctions will do much.

They will do a lot. Sanctions led to apartheid ending. A lot of Russians like lots of people want the good life and the good life isn't being ostracized from the rest of the world.
 
My feeling is that if Putin was assassinated his replacement will want to inherent a more powerful Russia and continue to prosecute the war to an even more successful conclusion. If not they may be deposed themselves.

Maybe but maybe aliens will fly down in their space ships and kill us all.

My feelings are that if Putin goes the next Russian leader is going to be a lot more careful in relation to going to war. I also think this isn't going Putin's way now and it's only going to get worse.

Not many countries get held against their will.
 
Maybe but maybe aliens will fly down in their space ships and kill us all.
Sounds like you have been abducted by aliens.
Rediculous statements won't further your argument.
My feelings are that if Putin goes the next Russian leader is going to be a lot more careful in relation to going to war. I also think this isn't going Putin's way now and it's only going to get worse.

On a later post I will eloborate why they are......for the benefit of other readers.
 
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Sounds like you have been abducted by aliens.
Rediculous statements won't further your argument.


On a later post I will eloborate why they are......for the benefit of other readers.

It wasn't rediculous or ridiculous at all. You make some big statements that I think are complete dribble.

I think you were also talking about fiat currencies earlier and tying currencies to the gold standard. That sort of stuff is just nonsense. The world isn't that simple.
 
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This article is pretty good. It touches on the craziness of extremists on both sides of politics. Some of the arguments in this article are mentioned.

The crazy right state that Putin is good because he is against the culture wars. My take is the culture wars are completely a right wing fantasy.

The crazy left state that this only occurred because America and the west are putting Putin into an untenable situation and he must defend himself. This again to me reeks of making up fantasies.

I don't know what will happen but I think the economics of this situation is going to hurt Russia really bad which will hurt Putin really bad.
 
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