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Tiger5150 said:
Digital forensic experts employed by that well known right wing outlet called the Washington Post.


and that other right wing hotbed the NY Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html

Funny you bring up suppression because when the NY Post originally broke the story the Washington Post and Joe Biden declared it was Russian disinformation. The FBI actively contacted Meta and Twitter and told them to suppress the story because it was Russian misinformation.


Of course all this changed post election when WaPo, NY Timesand FBI all came out with "my bad...its real".
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Joe Rogan? Ah yes… Anyway what did Zuckerberg say?

He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in particular - only that Facebook thought it "fit that pattern".

So yeah your summary there would be misleading.
 
Earl said:
So trivial. This is exactly my point. You focus on the Bidens when there is so much corruption in the world.

It's almost like you get played via the Internet.

You guys keep shouting at the clouds though if that makes your life meaningful.
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FMD ! Hahahaha! The leader of the free world is allegedly corrupt and to you that is Trivial . You don't want answers?
Your a classic Earl
 
Yossarian said:
Okay let’s run through this starting with the Post article:

The verifiable emails are a small fraction of 217 gigabytes of data provided to The Post on a portable hard drive by Republican activist Jack Maxey… The vast majority of the data — and most of the nearly 129,000 emails it contained — could not be verified by either of the two security experts who reviewed the data for The Post.
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Agreed and that is correct obviously. Importantly, it doesnt say that the emails arent genuine, it just say that the majority couldnt be verified.......

However.......you seemed to miss a pretty important point. The experts DID verify 22,000 of the emails as genuine.

"Green and Williams concluded that nearly 22,000 emails among those files carried cryptographic signatures that could be verified using technology that would be difficult for even the most sophisticated hackers to fake...........................The verified emails cover a time period from 2009 to 2019, when Hunter Biden was acting as a consultant to companies from China and Ukraine, and exploring opportunities in several other countries. His father was vice president from 2009 to 2017.
Many of the nearly 22,000 verified emails were routine messages, such as political newsletters, fundraising appeals, hotel receipts, news alerts, product ads, real estate listings and notifications related to his daughters’ schools or sports teams. There was also a large number of bank notifications, with about 1,200 emails from Wells Fargo alone.........Other emails contained exchanges with Hunter Biden’s business partners, personal assistants or members of his family. Some of these emails appear to offer insights into deals he developed and money he was paid for business activities that opponents of his father’s bid for the presidency sought to make a campaign issue in 2020. ........In particular, there are verified emails illuminating a deal Hunter Biden developed with a fast-growing Chinese energy conglomerate, CEFC China Energy, for which he was paid nearly $5 million, and other business relationships. Those business dealings are the subject of a separate Washington Post story published at the same time as this one on the forensic examinations of the drive. The drive also includes some verified emails from Hunter Biden’s work with Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company for which he was a board member. President Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon’s efforts to tie Joe Biden to the removal of a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Burisma led to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon’s first impeachment trial, which ended in acquittal in February 2020."

So the hard drive has 286,000 files including photos, videos and emails etc. It was investigated by the best (ex FBI) forensic investigators and they didnt find or prove that any of the files were fake and they completely verified that 22,000 were real beyond any shade of doubt.
 
Yossarian said:
Joe Rogan? Ah yes… Anyway what did Zuckerberg say?

He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in particular - only that Facebook thought it "fit that pattern".

So yeah your summary there would be misleading.
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Perhaps a Matt Taibi investigation of the suppression, immediately after a FBI warning would be less misleading? Genuinely dont know how you can question any of this, it has been extensively investigated, proven and reported.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The tweets shared by Matt Taibbi exposing Twitter's Hunter cover-up

Click here to read the full set of Twitter files shared by journalist Matt Taibbi in cooperation with the social media firm's new owner Elon Musk
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Carefactor said:
When the hell is everyone going to put politcal bias aside and nail one of these these criminals when there is overwhelming evidence there ?
There was a bigger outcry of Clinton getting a blowie .
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to be fair, there is nothing in any of this information that is a complete smoking gun that proves criminality but my god there is surely enough for there to be aproper investigation. The fact that Joe B stated he never met Hunters associates and yet there are heaps of photos on the hard disk of Joe with Hunters business associates, the emails about the "10% to the big guy", the bitching to his sister about having to give a percentage to his dad, just the most obvious, why is a completely unqualifed, drug addled lunatic travelling all over the world collecting cash? It should be investigated. it should have been investigated prior to the election but the next best time is now. I wonder if when Joe Biden finally retires/dies whether they will then look into it?
 
But but Jan 6th ....
Keep in mind the FBI has had this laptop for over 2 years is pretty telling as to whether they are suppressing the information on it.
Ill state again... why anyone wouldnt want ANY corrupt politician brought down is beyond me.
 
Earl said:
I have never in my life seen someone get away with as much stuff as Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Your story about hookers and ice and cash to me are none of my business. I just don't care.
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Citation needed.

You constantly make claims without ever providing a citation, a link, a quote, any evidence at all other then meh feelings. Tiger5150 has detailed so much in a few posts on the last couple of pages and you act like ignoring it escapes it from reality. For someone spruiking in every second post about conspiracy theories etc, You seem to be the one most peddling in misinformation and confirmation bias on here. Might want to look at how you assess the information you are willingly eating up before giving others advice.
 
Tiger5150 said:
to be fair, there is nothing in any of this information that is a complete smoking gun that proves criminality but my god there is surely enough for there to be aproper investigation. The fact that Joe B stated he never met Hunters associates and yet there are heaps of photos on the hard disk of Joe with Hunters business associates, the emails about the "10% to the big guy", the bitching to his sister about having to give a percentage to his dad, just the most obvious, why is a completely unqualifed, drug addled lunatic travelling all over the world collecting cash? It should be investigated. it should have been investigated prior to the election but the next best time is now. I wonder if when Joe Biden finally retires/dies whether they will then look into it?
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They'll probably perpetually seal and redact files like the JFK assassination.
 
Carefactor said:
But but Jan 6th ....
Keep in mind the FBI has had this laptop for over 2 years is pretty telling as to whether they are suppressing the information on it.
Ill state again... why anyone wouldnt want ANY corrupt politician brought down is beyond me.
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Whataboutism and never holding your team to the same standards. Earl has just shown that plenty in the last few pages, openly calls Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon corrupt, although never providing any citation and then appears to not give a hoot about the plethora of issues with receipts about Biden. The hive mind.
 
Tiger5150 said:
Perhaps a Matt Taibi investigation of the suppression, immediately after a FBI warning would be less misleading? Genuinely dont know how you can question any of this, it has been extensively investigated, proven and reported.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The tweets shared by Matt Taibbi exposing Twitter's Hunter cover-up

Click here to read the full set of Twitter files shared by journalist Matt Taibbi in cooperation with the social media firm's new owner Elon Musk
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Do you read these? From your <ahem> Daily Mail article:

Although several sources recalled hearing about a 'general' warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there's no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story.
 
Tiger5150 said:
Agreed and that is correct obviously. Importantly, it doesnt say that the emails arent genuine, it just say that the majority couldnt be verified.......

However.......you seemed to miss a pretty important point. The experts DID verify 22,000 of the emails as genuine.

"Green and Williams concluded that nearly 22,000 emails among those files carried cryptographic signatures that could be verified using technology that would be difficult for even the most sophisticated hackers to fake...........................The verified emails cover a time period from 2009 to 2019, when Hunter Biden was acting as a consultant to companies from China and Ukraine, and exploring opportunities in several other countries. His father was vice president from 2009 to 2017.
Many of the nearly 22,000 verified emails were routine messages, such as political newsletters, fundraising appeals, hotel receipts, news alerts, product ads, real estate listings and notifications related to his daughters’ schools or sports teams. There was also a large number of bank notifications, with about 1,200 emails from Wells Fargo alone.........Other emails contained exchanges with Hunter Biden’s business partners, personal assistants or members of his family. Some of these emails appear to offer insights into deals he developed and money he was paid for business activities that opponents of his father’s bid for the presidency sought to make a campaign issue in 2020. ........In particular, there are verified emails illuminating a deal Hunter Biden developed with a fast-growing Chinese energy conglomerate, CEFC China Energy, for which he was paid nearly $5 million, and other business relationships. Those business dealings are the subject of a separate Washington Post story published at the same time as this one on the forensic examinations of the drive. The drive also includes some verified emails from Hunter Biden’s work with Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company for which he was a board member. President Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon’s efforts to tie Joe Biden to the removal of a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Burisma led to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon’s first impeachment trial, which ended in acquittal in February 2020."

So the hard drive has 286,000 files including photos, videos and emails etc. It was investigated by the best (ex FBI) forensic investigators and they didnt find or prove that any of the files were fake and they completely verified that 22,000 were real beyond any shade of doubt.
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No, they're saying they're difficult to fabricate, not impossible. Again, where is the evidence that President Biden did anything illegal or otherwise actionable?
 
Crazy Eyes said:
Whataboutism and never holding your team to the same standards. Earl has just shown that plenty in the last few pages, openly calls Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon corrupt, although never providing any citation and then appears to not give a hoot about the plethora of issues with receipts about Biden. The hive mind.
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It is baffling to read.
The hypocrisy, the hatred….Earl needs a rest. He isn’t well.
 
Crazy Eyes said:
Back on politics, its nice to see at least 1 party in the US believe in democracy and the will of its constituents. Hi Bernie. 1 sure likes to talk about it but now with the new congress only 1 has done anything about it. Remember the embarrassing AOC squad carry on then immediately crumbled and voted for Pelosi. The worst people of politics.

The GOP actually caring who the speaker of the house is as the 3rd person inline for the Presidency and in control of the US purse strings during Biden's lame duck Presidency is a huge deal and quiet refreshing for politics. The newly elected House Speaker McCarthy, although a RINO was held with his feet to the fire to make concessions for the American people and not just allowed another run of the mill uni-party vote. Fantastic job by those GOP members that listened to their constituents and held off their vote until McCarthy agreed to concessions that their voters elected them for. Beautiful to see democracy at work. Strong unified GOP is desperately what the US needs more than ever.

The best concessions of all was to allow a vote of no confidence on the speaker of the house to just 1 member of the house. Truly held accountable. The other great concession was to put actual conservatives and GOP congress members and not RINOs on committee chairs. Cant wait to see these committees commence shortly and see some accountability for the American people. A long way from the farce that was the Pelosi Speakership.

First order of business for McCarthy day 1 as speaker was to repeal the Democrats passing a bill for 87,000 armed IRS agents. Some sanity and reduction in spending, amazing job by the GOP.
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I will hear this, then dump on it.

Before I continue: US POLITICS SUCKS. It really SUCKS, it is seriously bad. Only a few people are making worthwhile ideas in an awful system. Looking at US politics is like looking into a toilet and trying to understand the last user.

So yes, Republicans elect their Default McCarthy as Democrats have done. Sure they do deals and factions get something. Yet people have been saying the speakers are too restrictive.


I hear this^ It SUCKS, their committee system sucks. Motions get moved to committes and never out. I get it the system sucks.

So I get the 20 resisting the autovote and bucking. I get it.

Yet what did they ask for...
www.dailymail.co.uk

House GOP majority PASSES rules package with only one GOP defection

The House of Representatives passed a rules package Monday night 220-213 with relatively little drama as the first order of business for House Speaker Kevin McCarthy's new majority.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Some is madness, some is pandering too their base and some makes sense.

Madness:
The motion to vacate - allows any single member to call a vote to remove McCarthy as Speaker.
^you are a group of 20 and can probably get 10 people if needed. NOPE reduce it to 1 and have chaos. Can't they count!

Base/Far right:
REINSTATING THE HOLMAN RULE -- fire/demote any employee. This is a "whack a guy not doing what we like".
Probes into probes - Far right base want to investigate the investigation into their glorious leader.
Financial -- cut spending motions. This could curb deficit, yet I suspect it will lead to a shutdown and more hurt.

Sense:
Decrease PAC money in member runs. aka less infighting among republicans.
ADDING TIME TO REVIEW BILLS -- 72 hours is reasonable.
Term limits in the lower house --- This makes some sense. Certain politicians have been in there for ages. Flip it some great politicians are there and the name recognition of say Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren etc can't be built overnight (I realise they are all senators, I cannot name a house long termer).

Crazy eyes I take your points and agree with some.
 
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