Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[crazycat]

Jux said:
Interesting debate, but I’m sorry, I simply can’t take seriously anyone who cites Tucker “I’m not even making this up” Carlson.


@Magpie_Magic notice how yet again, no citations are ever given. Seems to be a running theme.

ROFL:
When under oath, Carlson and Hannity tell the truth

You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers

Fox News viewers don't expect facts from Tucker Carlson, according to network lawyers who defended their star in a slander lawsuit filed by a woman who said she had an affair with President Trump.

www.npr.org

"Fox persuasively argues [...] that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer "arrive with an appropriate amount of skepticism" about the statements he makes.

Whether the Court frames Mr. Carlson's statements as "exaggeration," "non-literal commentary," or simply bloviating for his audience, the conclusion remains the same—the statements are not actionable. This interpretation of the segment is bolstered by the disclaimer Mr. Carlson made at the outset of his monologue. [...]"

Also Hannity:
"Hannity said, "I did not believe it for one second," that the election was fraudulent.

In Testimony, Sean Hannity Said He Did Not Believe 'for One Second' the 2020 Election Was Fraudulent

While Fox News host Sean Hannity amplified claims about the 2020 election being rife with fraud, he privately testified that he "did not believe" the allegations

people.com

Again they are treating you as a Mushroom. You send their links and ask us why we don't believe their Mushroom feed garbage? Because it's garbage.
Tucker Carlson says it's garbage
Sean Hannity says it's garbage.

Rupert Murdoch makes this garbage so you do his will.
Only the true believers doubt it's garbage. Smells like garbage, sounds like garbage but hey feel free to give it a taste.

 

[crazycat]

So to be clear you cant justify your accusation that Tucker Carlson makes up stories. Just going with the standard defamation definition?

Agreed Tucker Carlson makes up stories.
Fox says so, Tucker says so. Everyone says so but Fox Fanboys who don't listen to Fox lawyers and Judges.

You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers

Fox News viewers don't expect facts from Tucker Carlson, according to network lawyers who defended their star in a slander lawsuit filed by a woman who said she had an affair with President Trump.

www.npr.org

 

[Yossarian]

Actually no it doesnt. The article says "Many of the nearly 22,000 verified emails were routine messages, such as political newsletters, fundraising appeals, hotel receipts, news alerts, product ads, real estate listings and notifications related to his daughters’ schools or sports teams. There was also a large number of bank notifications, with about 1,200 emails from Wells Fargo alone."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/

It doesnt say majority and we dont know what "many" means. Could be 200, 2000 or 20000, you or I dont know. We know the "thank you for the meeting" email was verified, we know the "10% for the big guy" wasnt verified (but was by Hunters business partner). We dont know for example if the Burisma CEO askin ghis dad to pressure the prosecutor is on the verified list or not. You or I dont know, it might be, it might not.


Any of the other emails except the "10% for the big guy" email could be in the 22K verified.

"In particular, there are verified emails illuminating a deal Hunter Biden developed with a fast-growing Chinese energy conglomerate, CEFC China Energy, for which he was paid nearly $5 million, and other business relationships. Those business dealings are the subject of a separate Washington Post story published at the same time as this one on the forensic examinations of the drive."


You (or I) have no basis for that opinion.

arent we done?

Sure. We don't know what many means. But the email we discussed above is the only one they mention. I should have clarified I meant in relation to Joe Biden. You're right in saying there are emails of note on Hunter Biden’s business dealings. He may be as shady as all hell. To be honest I don't really care. If he's done something illegal he should be charged as such. Again I'm not aware of any jurisdiction actively considering doing so. But my interpretation of what the Post found is that the only email of interest linking Joe Biden to the whole thing that was verified was the one where the guy says thanks for the meeting.

 

[crazycat]

What a load of BS, lol show me any evidence that Guilaini said anything of the sort?

Here you go:

Giuliani gave Hunter Biden story to New York Post because 'nobody else would take it' at face value

The New York Post is standing by its series of articles based on files purportedly found on a laptop a Delaware computer repair man said probably belongs to Hunter Biden, the son of Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden. "The story was vetted and the Post stands by its reporting," a Post...

news.yahoo.com

[Giuliani told the Times he brought his documents to the Post because "either nobody else would take it, or if they took it, they would spend all the time they could to try to contradict it before they put it out." ]. aka they would see if it was true or not. (ofcourse they would publish it, Guiliani was scared that they would vet it and find it to be a stinking heap of post-it notes).

Also what Journalists, from the NY-post (A very sloppy news source):
"Bruce Golding, a reporter at the Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid since 2007, did not allow his byline to be used because he had concerns over the article's credibility."

"It's not something that meets my journalistic standards," one Post reporter told New York Magazine.

another:
Another Post reporter called it "very flimsy," adding that the article "just makes you cringe and roll your eyes, and it's hard to stomach, but at the same time we kind of know that you're signing up for stuff like that. ... It's disappointing. It sucks to, like, work for, like, a propaganda outlet."

They are saying the story is CRAP. Mushroom feed.
But hey I have a laptop right here with 2x National party stickers and love emails from Tony Abbott and Joe Tripodi. It's totally Genuine, trust me. Joe and Tony really had a bromance going on, Tony wanted to adopt a kid together till his Maternity*/Paternity leave got knocked back.
The post-it note says "Abbott" so it has to be his!

*I actually agree with Tony Abbott's 6 month maternity leave and asked members of parliament to support it. IMHO it was the best policy from the Liberals I have seen in last 20 years.

 

[crazycat]

Curious:

6 Months Parental leave.
Agree or disagree?

Also both parents or just 1?

 

[Jux]

So to be clear you cant justify your accusation that Tucker Carlson makes up stories. Just going with the standard defamation definition?

😄😄 Does he stating that he tells lies when he has to make a convincing argument in your world ?

 

[Yossarian]

Curious:

6 Months Parental leave.
Agree or disagree?

Also both parents or just 1?

6 months for both seems excessive to me. I would have loved it when my boy was born though!

 

[The Sniffer]

😄😄 Does he stating that he tells lies when he has to make a convincing argument in your world ?

lazy

 

[Jux]

lazy

Troll

 

[The Sniffer]

Troll

You couldn't come up with any retort until your white knight came in swooped you off your dainty feet by posting an article that says news anchors exaggerate their stories like the MSNBC Rachal Maddow defense and all the other channels you admit to getting your news from. Just embarrassing yourself.

 

[The Sniffer]

Waiting for the Chewbacca defense next.

 

[The Sniffer]

Agreed Tucker Carlson makes up stories.
Fox says so, Tucker says so. Everyone says so but Fox Fanboys who don't listen to Fox lawyers and Judges.

You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers

Fox News viewers don't expect facts from Tucker Carlson, according to network lawyers who defended their star in a slander lawsuit filed by a woman who said she had an affair with President Trump.

www.npr.org

Great to see you are in complete agreement that MSNBC etc make up stories. non more obvious than the Trump Russiagate story. Glad to see after 6 years some people finally being able to admit to the error of their ways. No shame in finally being honest about being so easily led down a weird conspiracy path of Russian influence and pee tapes. Congrats.

 

[Jux]

You couldn't come up with any retort until your white knight came in swooped you off your dainty feet by posting an article that says news anchors exaggerate their stories like the MSNBC Rachal Maddow defense and all the other channels you admit to getting your news from. Just embarrassing yourself.

And queue the name calling and belittling of fellow posters. Standard MO for trolls when losing arguments. You wanted a citation to justify my claim, thanks for providing it.

 

[The Sniffer]

And queue the name calling and belittling of fellow posters. Standard MO for trolls when losing arguments. You wanted a citation to justify my claim, thanks for providing it.

And queue the name calling

"You couldn't come up with any retort until your white knight came in swooped you off your dainty feet by posting an article that says news anchors exaggerate their stories like the MSNBC Rachal Maddow defense and all the other channels you admit to getting your news from. Just embarrassing yourself."

I know you have a real problem with this phrase. Citation needed.

Offended by the word dainty?

By the way, Have you ever heard the word hypocrite? Maybe consider that next when calling me a Troll, that I can provide a citation for.

 

[crazycat]

😄😄 Does he stating that he tells lies when he has to make a convincing argument in your world ?

Hell yes.

Since we got someone just using Repetition in a Grimm story book monster kind of fashion I will re-shine my sunlight on this issue.

Tucker Carlson makes up stories.
Fox says so, Tucker says so. Everyone says so, except Fox Fanboys who don't listen to Fox lawyers and Judges.

You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers

Fox News viewers don't expect facts from Tucker Carlson, according to network lawyers who defended their star in a slander lawsuit filed by a woman who said she had an affair with President Trump.

www.npr.org

Sky-news is the same.
It's rather sad, because it leads to a downgraded right that wants to dominate arguments via repetition. Can't win on Merit.

 

[The Sniffer]

And queue the name calling and belittling of fellow posters. Standard MO for trolls when losing arguments. You wanted a citation to justify my claim, thanks for providing it.

You wanted a citation to justify my claim, thanks for providing it.

I didnt provide you with any citation for your claim, do you even read?

 

[Jux]

And queue the name calling

"You couldn't come up with any retort until your white knight came in swooped you off your dainty feet by posting an article that says news anchors exaggerate their stories like the MSNBC Rachal Maddow defense and all the other channels you admit to getting your news from. Just embarrassing yourself."

I know you have a real problem with this phrase. Citation needed.

Offended by the word dainty?

By the way, Have you ever heard the word hypocrite? Maybe consider that next when calling me a Troll, that I can provide a citation for.

Are you implying I’m a hypocrite ? Why ? I’m just stating facts. No offence intended.
But anyway, have the last word, I know you want to.

 

[The Sniffer]

Hell yes.

Since we got someone just using Repetition in a Grimm story book monster kind of fashion I will re-shine my sunlight on this issue.

Tucker Carlson makes up stories.
Fox says so, Tucker says so. Everyone says so, except Fox Fanboys who don't listen to Fox lawyers and Judges.

You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers

Fox News viewers don't expect facts from Tucker Carlson, according to network lawyers who defended their star in a slander lawsuit filed by a woman who said she had an affair with President Trump.

www.npr.org

Sky-news is the same.
It's rather sad, because it leads to a downgraded right that wants to dominate arguments via repetition. Can't win on Merit.

"wants to dominate arguments via repetition. Can't win on Merit."

Again, such great points you are making, i couldn't agree more. It didn't mater how many times the entire left wing propaganda arm of the media, CNN, MSNBS, ABC, NBC, CBC, NYT, WAPO etc etc constantly and consistently said Trump was involved with Russia or Trump was corrupt or whatever they simply wanted to 'make up' that news cycle, it didn't make it true. Great point crazycats.

 

[The Sniffer]

Are you implying I’m a hypocrite ? Why ? I’m just stating facts. No offence intended.
But anyway, have the last word, I know you want to.

I know you want to.

So why did you reply? Do you think before you post?

 

[Carefactor]

Here you go:

Giuliani gave Hunter Biden story to New York Post because 'nobody else would take it' at face value

The New York Post is standing by its series of articles based on files purportedly found on a laptop a Delaware computer repair man said probably belongs to Hunter Biden, the son of Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden. "The story was vetted and the Post stands by its reporting," a Post...

news.yahoo.com

[Giuliani told the Times he brought his documents to the Post because "either nobody else would take it, or if they took it, they would spend all the time they could to try to contradict it before they put it out." ]. aka they would see if it was true or not. (ofcourse they would publish it, Guiliani was scared that they would vet it and find it to be a stinking heap of post-it notes).

Also what Journalists, from the NY-post (A very sloppy news source):
"Bruce Golding, a reporter at the Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid since 2007, did not allow his byline to be used because he had concerns over the article's credibility."

"It's not something that meets my journalistic standards," one Post reporter told New York Magazine.

another:
Another Post reporter called it "very flimsy," adding that the article "just makes you cringe and roll your eyes, and it's hard to stomach, but at the same time we kind of know that you're signing up for stuff like that. ... It's disappointing. It sucks to, like, work for, like, a propaganda outlet."

They are saying the story is CRAP. Mushroom feed.
But hey I have a laptop right here with 2x National party stickers and love emails from Tony Abbott and Joe Tripodi. It's totally Genuine, trust me. Joe and Tony really had a bromance going on, Tony wanted to adopt a kid together till his Maternity*/Paternity leave got knocked back.
The post-it note says "Abbott" so it has to be his!

*I actually agree with Tony Abbott's 6 month maternity leave and asked members of parliament to support it. IMHO it was the best policy from the Liberals I have seen in last 20 years.

Ok.. so without your own bracketed assessment he didn't say anything at all about picking them because they would run a misleading and fake story.