Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[jirskyr]

Mate I have two super talented young nephews who play league the older more talented one is going to give it up it was good when he could just run over and bash the smaller kids but last season he was getting hit back and did not like it the smaller less talented one who is still the best player in his team loves the physical contact getting hit and hitting back and is a tackleing machine just loves doing defensive work cuts all the biggest kids down I think the mental side is just as important

I had to hold my breath whilst reading that

 

[2041]

I wouldn’t call any of those players you mentioned mediocre, far from it.
Papenhuysen didn’t debut with WT but he played NSW and Australia as a junior.
If as you say “they were gone before we knew what they could become,” I know you wouldn’t be talking on behalf of anyone responsible for letting them go.
Your post supports my statement that we don’t seem to get the best out of our existing talent.
I’m just wondering why?

When you say we don't get the best out of existing talent the implication seems to be that players would be better playing for another team at the time they're playing for us. That's why I'm trying to exclude the names I mentioned: obviously Moses, say, has been better after leaving the Tigers but that's because he was still developing as a first grade footballer when he left, not that there's some magical fairy dust that makes players become good as soon as they leave. He was still a dreadful defender in his first season or two at Parra, for instance - he was just developing and improving, as he would have done if he'd stayed.

If your point is that we have lost players we should have retained, I 100% agree. But that's a different point from "we don't get the best out of talent" - it would be something like "we don't appropriately value talent before it fully emerges".

 

[crazycat]

Groat's father demands justice

MATT Groat's father said he would be bitterly disappointed if Ben Te'o escapes punishment tonight for knocking out his son.

www.perthnow.com.au

I was about to ask "surely it wasn't just the Shoulder charge".

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/ben-teo-backs-nrl-shoulder-charge-ban/news-story/5074b36cb4fb88de2a35d4f5a279cd35

Then I realised how many players are totally stuffed from Head knocks. Wow it took him out for all of 2012

Looked up Groat again:
'Groat was unable to play at the start of 2013 due to injury. Coach Mick Potter said, "Matt got his ankle, foot and toe caught in the ground and got some weight on the back of it. He had been working hard and his shape was looking better too."[13] He didn't play any first grade in 2013.'
Wikipedia.

Back to it. No coach can predict the Future.
Had O'Dwyer and Groat worked out, The Tigers may have had one of the league's most insane forward packs. Wayne did not succeed at Newcastle due to Alex McKinnon and I would only blame Wayne if he coached that into Alex's game.

I can see 20/20 hindsight that Adam Blair wasn't worth loosing Chris H and Beau for. But that is 20/20.

Coaches have to roll the dice. Good coaches will get it wrong, the great coaches rarely get it wrong.

 

[hank37w]

Poor decision as far as recruitment and retention goes ...all under Sheens vision

But we did get to keep The
GReatest Of All Time (Groat)

 

[twentyforty]

When you say we don't get the best out of existing talent the implication seems to be that players would be better playing for another team at the time they're playing for us. That's why I'm trying to exclude the names I mentioned: obviously Moses, say, has been better after leaving the Tigers but that's because he was still developing as a first grade footballer when he left, not that there's some magical fairy dust that makes players become good as soon as they leave. He was still a dreadful defender in his first season or two at Parra, for instance - he was just developing and improving, as he would have done if he'd stayed.

If your point is that we have lost players we should have retained, I 100% agree. But that's a different point from "we don't get the best out of talent" - it would be something like "we don't appropriately value talent before it fully emerges".

I’ll try a different strategy lol.
Let me ask you this...was there a reason Tim Sheens when asked what type of coach he was looking for, replied “a development coach”?
Was that just an off the cuff remark, or was there a strong meaningful message there?

 

[happy_tiger]

But we did get to keep The
GReatest Of All Time (Groat)

GRumpiest Of All Time (Happy)

 

[mactiger]

time warp all people do on this thread is talk about shit from years ago does anyone have a idea about what happing currently if so that would be interesting

 

[vlad]

sorry to break in to whatever you guys are going on about

I assume this guy is outside the top 30

Sheens’ coup as Tigers land another forward; the ‘one player’ Ciraldo wants at Dogs: Whispers

Sheens’ coup as Tigers land another forward; the ‘one player’ Ciraldo wants at Dogs: Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

TIGERS BOLSTER FORWARD PACK

Tim Sheens has signed yet another forward as his overhaul of the Tigers top 30 continues after taking the reigns ahead of the 2023 season.

The master coach has already signed the likes of Apisai Koroisau, Isaiah Papali’i, David Klemmer and John Bateman — and has now set his sights on a Manly young gun.

James Roumanos, 23, has reportedly signed with the merger club according to WWOS and will ply his trade for the Western Suburbs magpies in the NSW Cup.

Roumanos made his NRL debut last season and has only featured in first grade once.

The middle forward was a member of the Bulldogs 2021 NRL squad before making the move to Manly ahead of the 2022 season.

Roumanos has previously represented Australia as a schoolboy and was an impressive performer for Lebanon at the World Cup late last year.

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[Tigers_Wests]

sorry to break in to whatever you guys are going on about

I assume this guy is outside the top 30

Sheens’ coup as Tigers land another forward; the ‘one player’ Ciraldo wants at Dogs: Whispers

Sheens’ coup as Tigers land another forward; the ‘one player’ Ciraldo wants at Dogs: Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

TIGERS BOLSTER FORWARD PACK

Tim Sheens has signed yet another forward as his overhaul of the Tigers top 30 continues after taking the reigns ahead of the 2023 season.

The master coach has already signed the likes of Apisai Koroisau, Isaiah Papali’i, David Klemmer and John Bateman — and has now set his sights on a Manly young gun.

James Roumanos, 23, has reportedly signed with the merger club according to WWOS and will ply his trade for the Western Suburbs magpies in the NSW Cup.

Roumanos made his NRL debut last season and has only featured in first grade once.

The middle forward was a member of the Bulldogs 2021 NRL squad before making the move to Manly ahead of the 2022 season.

Roumanos has previously represented Australia as a schoolboy and was an impressive performer for Lebanon at the World Cup late last year.

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Yeah it is really a nothing story. On a NSW Cup contract. Might even be lucky to get a run in that grade with some promising forwards coming through the grades. Would be for depth only.

 

[Telltails]

Don’t have an issue with different opinions at all? In fact I’ve never stated I’m a Sheens supporter or otherwise. Although I’m apparently a ‘Sheens fluffier’ 😂🤷‍♂️
To be honest I just don’t see the point in the constant sookery from the baggers on here?
It’s not going to make a difference? The contracts are signed, it is what it is? You can either accept reality and get onboard and try and offer some positive support to the club or sulk and [This word has been automatically removed] about the coach or whatever players you don’t like. I’m almost certain many on here want to see there whipping boys fail so they can blow there own insignificant trumpet on the fan forum, more than they want to see the club improve and succeed. I mean you all say ‘I hope I’m proven wrong’, but you really don’t sound like that’s true at all?
So yeah, it’s not the different opinions, it’s more the perpetual whining and judgmental snipes of some ‘supporters’ (???) that I get sick of listening too.
You know?

There was no issue from my end till you came at me inciting a further response from another forummer to have potshots and Im not convinced that any of you properly read the comment that initially instigated it - which centred on the danger of Sheens or anyone talking up young players before they have achieved anything. Still think it's a valid argument for a whole lot of reasons, and seen it impact on player and the cred of person who labels them.
I'm perfectly open to you or anyone else who want to take me task on that through rational discussion - but that's not the position you took and very different to the approach of this post.
Bygones now as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Odessa]

I had to hold my breath whilst reading that

My grammar is Sh!t I know same as my spelling living in the Ukraine for many years not much practice of English and now I am to old to worry about it and most times i write not wearing my glasses so it gets bad but especially having very large appendages it's not easy

 

[TillLindemann]

but especially having very large appendages it's not easy

I have a tiny appendage, so I can write really well.

 

[fainty]

@THE_POM ….you there???

 

[happy_tiger]

sorry to break in to whatever you guys are going on about

I assume this guy is outside the top 30

Sheens’ coup as Tigers land another forward; the ‘one player’ Ciraldo wants at Dogs: Whispers

Sheens’ coup as Tigers land another forward; the ‘one player’ Ciraldo wants at Dogs: Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

TIGERS BOLSTER FORWARD PACK

Tim Sheens has signed yet another forward as his overhaul of the Tigers top 30 continues after taking the reigns ahead of the 2023 season.

The master coach has already signed the likes of Apisai Koroisau, Isaiah Papali’i, David Klemmer and John Bateman — and has now set his sights on a Manly young gun.

James Roumanos, 23, has reportedly signed with the merger club according to WWOS and will ply his trade for the Western Suburbs magpies in the NSW Cup.

Roumanos made his NRL debut last season and has only featured in first grade once.

The middle forward was a member of the Bulldogs 2021 NRL squad before making the move to Manly ahead of the 2022 season.

Roumanos has previously represented Australia as a schoolboy and was an impressive performer for Lebanon at the World Cup late last year.

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188 cm 103kg

 

[happy_tiger]

I have a tiny appendage, so I can write really well.

But your almost blind ...hehe

 

[the_third]

Matt Groat in junior football was a beast do you know Ray Warren rated him the best young prop he had seen since Glenn Lazarus funny how things don't work out

groat wasn't sponsored by pain away by any chance?

 

[the_third]

188 cm 103kg

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2023/01/17/wests-tigers-announce-pathways-squads/

 

[upthetigers]

Geez, I hate off seasons!

Trials not long to go.

 

[Buttface]

I have a tiny appendage, so I can write really well.

How talented are you two guys? Being able to write with your appendage, that’s pretty impressive, I don’t wanna see it but impressive just the same.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

It wouldn’t surprise me if signing news slows down until the CBA is agreed.

The players association have formally advised players not to sign any contract until CBA/NRL terms agreed & signed.

Will be really interesting if some players who have agreed to terms with a club and CBA sees increased terms & financials changing if any players decide to retest the market & sign with a different club.