Drama At Wests Tigers

[earl]

People who only look at ceo performance through a lense of footy results have no idea.

Exactly. They clearly don't understand the business. I'll state that maybe there are massive problems. I don't like how Lee goes full attack style so quickly. I don't really like Pascoe's blokely attitude. These things aren't though facts to talk too and state well they should go.

 

[earl]

He is unique, because he was elected, which means that there are others in the club who recognise the problem and want positive change.

Can you please explain in detail the problem.

 

[twentyforty]

Can you please explain in detail the problem.

The issue which needs to be resolved is as Hagipantelis exemplified in his statement, that nothing he or Pascoe do has any bearing on the performance of the players. It’s time for the decision makers to accept responsibility for not only their personal authority, but more importantly their positional authority.

 

[Stevec]

One club called WESTS TIGERS not interested in any team with a different name
Things been going well last few weeks ,I just wish relics of the past would just "fly away "

 

[twentyforty]

You don’t get community support unless you win games….
You don’t win games, without good players
You don’t get good players, without having a successful business…

Everyone puts the egg before the chicken.
Knights have a whole town behind them no matter what… for the last however long. it doesn’t help them…

Well put batboy, and it highlights that our main game should be organisational development and not the short term fix of paying big bucks for retirees who will snag a win or two.
Ok, sure we can whistle and dance at the same time, but we’re not are we? We get a couple of wins and all is ok in Disneyland.
The successful clubs appear to rely less on nepotism and more on long term development goals.

 

[earl]

The issue which needs to be resolved is as Hagipantelis exemplified in his statement, that nothing he or Pascoe do has any bearing on the performance of the players. It’s time for the decision makers to accept responsibility for not only their personal authority, but more importantly their positional authority.

I don't see either of them being responsible for the performance of the players especially in this comp.

I used to work at a big bank. They had sales targets. These targets were stupid and created the wrong incentive. This was a management fault and it was a management fault at the highest level. This actually ended in tears in that the bank damaged it's own brand via this directive. People were sold products they didn't need and complained.

If you are trying to convince me they are incompetent you need details like I just provided.

They've also made a lot of changes. The board structure with Lee coming on board, the COE and Sheens as coach are some good examples. We've also had a roster overhaul.

I'm not stating they are good. I'm not stating they will stay in their jobs if the club doesn't turn the situation around. I just don't have details why they are being crucified apart from we are a dud team.

 

[Tucker]

I don't see either of them being responsible for the performance of the players especially in this comp.

I used to work at a big bank. They had sales targets. These targets were stupid and created the wrong incentive. This was a management fault and it was a management fault at the highest level. This actually ended in tears in that the bank damaged it's own brand via this directive. People were sold products they didn't need and complained.

If you are trying to convince me they are incompetent you need details like I just provided.

They've also made a lot of changes. The board structure with Lee coming on board, the COE and Sheens as coach are some good examples. We've also had a roster overhaul.

I'm not stating they are good. I'm not stating they will stay in their jobs if the club doesn't turn the situation around. I just don't have details why they are being crucified apart from we are a dud team.

The comment made was that they should shoulder some of the blame for our performances over the years.
You seem poised to give them plenty of credit should the side go well this year but stand against criticising them for past stuffups?
It makes your opinion hypocritical.

 

[Tito Santana]

I’d be concerned if this was going to affect the playing group and Sheensy but don’t think it will. Let these fools sort themselves out. Big week. Get excited.

 

[twentyforty]

I don't see either of them being responsible for the performance of the players especially in this comp.

I used to work at a big bank. They had sales targets. These targets were stupid and created the wrong incentive. This was a management fault and it was a management fault at the highest level. This actually ended in tears in that the bank damaged it's own brand via this directive. People were sold products they didn't need and complained.

If you are trying to convince me they are incompetent you need details like I just provided.

They've also made a lot of changes. The board structure with Lee coming on board, the COE and Sheens as coach are some good examples. We've also had a roster overhaul.

I'm not stating they are good. I'm not stating they will stay in their jobs if the club doesn't turn the situation around. I just don't have details why they are being crucified apart from we are a dud team.

You worked in a big bank? Probably had 40k employees and a solid organisational structure, unlike the archaic structure we have. As an example if you wanted to improve processes, procedures etc at WT, you would have a huge job. Unlike your job at the bank where your ideas would be welcomed and valued for what they are, providing of course you went through the appropriate chain of authority. “Ideas are more important than men.”

 

[tony soprano]

You worked in a big bank? Probably had 40k employees and a solid organisational structure, unlike the archaic structure we have. As an example if you wanted to improve processes, procedures etc at WT, you would have a huge job. Unlike your job at the bank where your ideas would be welcomed and valued for what they are, providing of course you went through the appropriate chain of authority. “Ideas are more important than men.”

Hence the term pokie club.

 

[earl]

You worked in a big bank? Probably had 40k employees and a solid organisational structure, unlike the archaic structure we have. As an example if you wanted to improve processes, procedures etc at WT, you would have a huge job. Unlike your job at the bank where your ideas would be welcomed and valued for what they are, providing of course you went through the appropriate chain of authority. “Ideas are more important than men.”

This didn't happen though. People were complaining about those sales targets for a long time and they were bad and everyone could see it and yet incompetently it took a long time and reputational damage for the policy to change.

I remember a guy was an area manager which is a well paying job. He refused to download this stuff to his staff and they moved him into a head office role. To be fair they didn't sack him.

 

[Tito Santana]

This didn't happen though. People were complaining about those sales targets for a long time and they were bad and everyone could see it and yet incompetently it took a long time and reputational damage for the policy to change.

I remember a guy was an area manager which is a well paying job. He refused to download this stuff to his staff and they moved him into a head office role. To be fair they didn't sack him.

I worked at NAB 15 years ago. Never again. Got redundancy though so Tito was happy. Some Arribas were had that night I’ll give you the tip!

Arriba!

 

[earl]

I worked at NAB 15 years ago. Never again. Got redundancy though so Tito was happy. Some Arribas were had that night I’ll give you the tip!

I read recently to always take a redundancy. My mate got one recently after 15 years at ANZ. I never got offered one and I tried pretty hard.

 

[twentyforty]

This didn't happen though. People were complaining about those sales targets for a long time and they were bad and everyone could see it and yet incompetently it took a long time and reputational damage for the policy to change.

I remember a guy was an area manager which is a well paying job. He refused to download this stuff to his staff and they moved him into a head office role. To be fair they didn't sack him.

Sorry Earl, but your example is not a good one. It’s nothing like the issue we have.
I take it there would have been some kind of change which the bank was reacting to? Maybe legislative change? Banks are usually conservative and stick to lawful procedures. Unlike an NRL club which has more moving parts, where victory is often reliant on guesswork of a persons ability to perform in a physically demanding environment.

 

[earl]

Sorry Earl, but your example is not a good one. It’s nothing like the issue we have.
I take it there would have been some kind of change which the bank was reacting to? Maybe legislative change? Banks are usually conservative and stick to lawful procedures.

I gave an example of incompetence as an example of how I would like to hear about how incompetent Pascoe/Lee are. I like details and facts.

Unlike an NRL club which has more moving parts, where victory is often reliant on guesswork of a persons ability to perform in a physically demanding environment.

This is not a criticism of Pascoe/Lee though. I mean you are basically stating it's just luck.

I can tell you now I'd much rather run a footy club than a big bank apart from the pay. I worked for the Commonwealth Bank. It has close to 50k employees and so much work to do. I worked in IT in regulatory projects and the fines for non-compliance would be like the entire NRL turnover. The regulations can change at the drop of a hat. It's a tough business.

 

[TrueTiger]

Im not going to go into who is to blame within this incident,board members are the ones who give directives to the CEO and he then gives directives to the managers etc..
I will only say that many clubs and not just NRL but Golf,Bowling,Cricket clubs etc have quite often gone broke and closed because of poor management from the top level which is the board down to management in the day to day workings...
In a statement from the registered clubs act "the board do not get involved in the daily operations of the club,they are there to oversea the financial and lawful running of the club"...
Many clubs have gone to the wall because board members have had their own agendas and nepotism is rife within the smaller clubs,such as a board members family gets a job without reasonable qualifications...I wont get into all the stuff,but on this particular incident I can only say,once your on the board of a highly reputable club you have to act in a professional manner to the benefit of the club...I dont think there was much professionalism shown by this incident....

 

[BAGNF05]

Even if he is, he is an idiot for blabbing in front of sponsors.
Sounds about as well judged as Luai's best man speech...

Our sponsors all know they are pouring money into a poorly run organisation. Some are Probably ok about it as we get more air time than most.

 

[twentyforty]

I gave an example of incompetence as an example of how I would like to hear about how incompetent Pascoe/Lee are. I like details and facts.



This is not a criticism of Pascoe/Lee though. I mean you are basically stating it's just luck.

I can tell you now I'd much rather run a footy club than a big bank apart from the pay. I worked for the Commonwealth Bank. It has close to 50k employees and so much work to do. I worked in IT in regulatory projects and the fines for non-compliance would be like the entire NRL turnover. The regulations can change at the drop of a hat. It's a tough business.

It is a tough business, not many organisations would survive on banks’ small margins.
I’m not coming on here to bag Pascoe and Hagipantelis, they have a tough job, my beef is with the entire organisation for its incompetence.
I’m not surprised Cavanagh said what he is accused of saying, someone elected to a Wests board was bound to sooner or later. I don’t have a problem with people jumping on the gravy train, I just think it shouldn’t exist.
I knew someone who worked at CBA, took 12months leave, went to work at another bank who were offering redundancies which he took, had a couple of months holiday then went back to the CBA who were also then offering redundancies, which needless to say he took.

 

[The Fresh Oil]

Like him or hate him, without Pascoe
we could have been packed and shipped
off to Perth by now. He's good at
business, that's how he's survived
for so long. Name call all you want but
we've made profits for the a big chunk
of the 11 years we haven't made finals

What are you basing that on? If you have any reports with data can you share them? super keen on the last 5 years if you have them. The last report Pascode shared was 3 (?) years ago with no real data and broad statements on why KPI's were not hit.

 

[twentyforty]

Our sponsors all know they are pouring money into a poorly run organisation. Some are Probably ok about it as we get more air time than most.

It would be a commercial transaction for most of them?