426Tlgerland
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Yes Trindal in and Dano. Over to sharks would be a good result
Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion
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1nOnlyJoey
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I don't think you know what your writing about mate, hands down he was one of the best Coaches of all time for New South Wales, what Gus did at Penrith, can anyone deny that success he single handily started, pushing for all those youngsters to get their crack at top level because he made it his business to watch and observed the lower grades, Which would show most of these western suburb players are friends who have combinations from youth then So pushed for Nathan services to get tied down, brings in the Dad.. two premiership back to back. Oh he also help fund and push for Penriths centre of excellence that got upgraded few years back too..
Now look at the Bulldogs? By all means please let me know if I'm wrong G
Sits there with a smug look, probably because he is one of very few who has it in them to make difficult decisions to get players/teams through. His NRL experience and knowledge is second to none
Meaney isn’t as bad as some here put him as.
The kid has game but he doesn’t have another step up level as a match winner. He is a safe week to week fullback. I don’t think he is the right fit for us but if Staines moved on and the market is bare I would grab him because he would add some value over playing AD at the back.
The kid has game but he doesn’t have another step up level as a match winner. He is a safe week to week fullback. I don’t think he is the right fit for us but if Staines moved on and the market is bare I would grab him because he would add some value over playing AD at the back.
CornerPost
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If the Laurie to Trindal deal has any merit that'd be the best scenario... But if it's Laurie to Parra.. haven't they got a 20yr old gun halfback that's now stuck behind Moses for 5 years
balmain boy
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He's 18, and playing Wests sg ball next week
CornerPost
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Wow.. thanks for the update BB .. just got to develop him now.. what's his name again?
426Tlgerland
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Anyone heard from @ThePom. I may have missed his 8nput but also always looking forward to any inside 8n fo he may have , come on down Pom
finnzo
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What he has signed with tigers? Or are we vsing him?
finnzo
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Every 1 blasted him for getting something wrong so I doubt he will post in here any more
I’m of the opinion any inside info is entertains even if it’s wrong it’s all part of the forum fun
Roar_Power
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Where did this Trindall talk come from? I can't see any reason why the Sharks would want that swap deal.
Masterton
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Hard to see how Sharks would benefit.
It's not a "Wests Tigers" problem that players come here and look worse and then our players leave and look better elsewhere.
It's a coaching problem.
Meaney always had bits about him that looked good at the Bulldogs. Plenty of speed and not a bad ballplayer from fullback. He wasn't consistent sure, but also clearly first grade quality. Another problem was his lack of size - he was simply too skinny to be effective, unless he made clean breaks he wouldn't bust a tackle. He's clearly been told to bulk up and is now being used in a way which utilises his speed and support play ability. Bellamy has changed what he wants out of his 1 with Meaney in there compared to Papenhuyzen who has a heavier ball playing load and is given more early ball with space.
That's what separates guys like Bennett and Bellamy. They identify the strengths and weaknesses in players and put them in situations where their strengths are magnified and weaknesses masked. They identify players who fit their system and where they get talented players who don't fit their system, do their best to accommodate them.
Cleary is a great coach too as much as it pains me to say it. Guys like Liam Martin and Dylan Edwards are average players. Nothing special physically and limited skillsets. But they are relentless, have great motors and a great work ethic. Cleary has identified that and given them roles in the team that mask their deficiencies and maximise their skills. Dylan Edwards can't break the line or pass very well, so trying to make him play like he's Trbojevic or Latrell would be stupid. What can he do well? Take a million hit-ups and get a quick play the ball whether it's the 1st minute or 79th minute. Why does Penrith dominate field position? Edwards makes 10m on 4th tackle, gets a quick play the ball and lets Nathan hoof it down field. Then guys like Liam Martin who offer effort in buckets lead the defensive line and compress opponents.
Look at the team he got to 9th in 2018. My god that was a miserable team. He's the one coach who managed to make Brooks look like a first grader (albeit a below average one, but nonetheless he looked like he belonged). Guys like Marsters, Naiqama, Fonua, Thompson, Rochow, Eisenhuth, Malakai Watene-Zelezniak, Godinet, McIlwrick. Some of those lineups read like NSW cup teams and yet he managed to extract every last bit of ability from these average players to have us finish 9th.
On the flip side, you have Sheens. Sheens will always try and meddle with players and force them to do what he wants.
Our halfback position is a great example: Morris at 7, Benji at 7, Farah at 7, Lui at 7, Brooks at 7. Two hookers and 3 5/8ths he's forced to play 7. Tim Moltzen, who we actually looked great with in that 2009-2011 period with at 7, is then forced to play 1. Hastings who is the best genuine 7 we've had since Scott Prince is forced out because Sheens thinks he's a lock. Makes no sense.
Isaiah Papali'i wins second rower of the year playing on the right edge? Let's move him to the left edge. John Bateman wins second rower of the year on the right edge? Let's try and turn him into a ball-playing lock. There's countless examples throughout his tenure of him taking what's not broken and breaking it.
In a salary cap competition, the path to sustained success comes from identifying value where others aren't able to see it. A player can be worth more or less to a team than their contracted value based on how they're utilised. If you continue to pay overs for talented players and misuse them, you'll never get anywhere. If you build a team around a core group of stars and a successful system then supplement it with underrated and undervalued players, you build dynasties like the Storm, Roosters and now Penrith.
It's a coaching problem.
Meaney always had bits about him that looked good at the Bulldogs. Plenty of speed and not a bad ballplayer from fullback. He wasn't consistent sure, but also clearly first grade quality. Another problem was his lack of size - he was simply too skinny to be effective, unless he made clean breaks he wouldn't bust a tackle. He's clearly been told to bulk up and is now being used in a way which utilises his speed and support play ability. Bellamy has changed what he wants out of his 1 with Meaney in there compared to Papenhuyzen who has a heavier ball playing load and is given more early ball with space.
That's what separates guys like Bennett and Bellamy. They identify the strengths and weaknesses in players and put them in situations where their strengths are magnified and weaknesses masked. They identify players who fit their system and where they get talented players who don't fit their system, do their best to accommodate them.
Cleary is a great coach too as much as it pains me to say it. Guys like Liam Martin and Dylan Edwards are average players. Nothing special physically and limited skillsets. But they are relentless, have great motors and a great work ethic. Cleary has identified that and given them roles in the team that mask their deficiencies and maximise their skills. Dylan Edwards can't break the line or pass very well, so trying to make him play like he's Trbojevic or Latrell would be stupid. What can he do well? Take a million hit-ups and get a quick play the ball whether it's the 1st minute or 79th minute. Why does Penrith dominate field position? Edwards makes 10m on 4th tackle, gets a quick play the ball and lets Nathan hoof it down field. Then guys like Liam Martin who offer effort in buckets lead the defensive line and compress opponents.
Look at the team he got to 9th in 2018. My god that was a miserable team. He's the one coach who managed to make Brooks look like a first grader (albeit a below average one, but nonetheless he looked like he belonged). Guys like Marsters, Naiqama, Fonua, Thompson, Rochow, Eisenhuth, Malakai Watene-Zelezniak, Godinet, McIlwrick. Some of those lineups read like NSW cup teams and yet he managed to extract every last bit of ability from these average players to have us finish 9th.
On the flip side, you have Sheens. Sheens will always try and meddle with players and force them to do what he wants.
Our halfback position is a great example: Morris at 7, Benji at 7, Farah at 7, Lui at 7, Brooks at 7. Two hookers and 3 5/8ths he's forced to play 7. Tim Moltzen, who we actually looked great with in that 2009-2011 period with at 7, is then forced to play 1. Hastings who is the best genuine 7 we've had since Scott Prince is forced out because Sheens thinks he's a lock. Makes no sense.
Isaiah Papali'i wins second rower of the year playing on the right edge? Let's move him to the left edge. John Bateman wins second rower of the year on the right edge? Let's try and turn him into a ball-playing lock. There's countless examples throughout his tenure of him taking what's not broken and breaking it.
In a salary cap competition, the path to sustained success comes from identifying value where others aren't able to see it. A player can be worth more or less to a team than their contracted value based on how they're utilised. If you continue to pay overs for talented players and misuse them, you'll never get anywhere. If you build a team around a core group of stars and a successful system then supplement it with underrated and undervalued players, you build dynasties like the Storm, Roosters and now Penrith.
Roar_Power
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Completely agree, the coaching as far as I am concerned is atrocious. Sheens way past his use by date.
Honestly, if he didnt have the hype "of years passed by" of his fathers / uncle last name he would be still running arounf Q Cup. I think the chooks have got this one entirely wrong.
diedpretty
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Yea you are wrong - according to NRL stats he has 1 try assist, 3 linebreaks and 5 tackle breaks and has 85 post contact metres and has run for 629 mtrs over 5 games. The messiah Jackson Hastings on the other hand has had 1 try assist, 0 linebreaks and 2 tackle breaks 34 post contact mtrs and run for 402 mtrs.
Tiger_Fanatic3
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Rugby league legend Scott Sattler has reportedly maligned Tigers halfback Luke Brooks needs to leave the NRL for a short Super League stint to reignite his career. Brooks is on the final year of his current contract and Sattler believes it would be best for the 2015 Dally M halfback of the year to travel abroad.
hank37w
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Jeez, average in a very good team is a pretty poor assessment from what I have seen of him.
Have to agree with the second part of your statement though, because I have no doubt what so ever that we would most likely kill his career if he came to us.
426Tlgerland
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Pretty poor form if someone has had a crack it’s bloody Rumours and there always a good read and a fair few come true , I’m sorry to hear this about the Pom ,there are some dumb arses on hear , PS. I got a rumour Tigers in talks with George Williams and John Bateman will lead the charge to bring 3 Poms to our club for 2024 lead by Williams Shhhhhh.
gallagher
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When you say the CEO has got the arse and will be gone this afternoon then it doesn't come true your gonna cop some shit over it.
