Sheens vs Fulton

Do you side with Sheens or Fulton?

  • Fulton

    Votes: 35 43.2%

  • Sheens

    Votes: 46 56.8%
  • Total voters
    81
  • Poll closed .
hsvjones said:
Sheens is doing what not many would do.
He is developing Benji and protecting him from the media because if he didn't Benji would most likely be gone by now after the start we had. He doesn't care about his reputation
Sheens identifies the young talent and gives them the confidence and chance to play 1st grade. Bula is a great example as not many coaches put him in at that time. Credit to him.
TBF the club has moved on alot of dead wood and IMO heading in the right direction.

Unfortunately we are in for some more hurt now with Api, Brooks, stains, AD out long term so assume sheens will need to blood more young ones.
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Good post.

However sheens getting his knickers in a knot over McDonnell.. at the end of the day McDonnell recruiting was not good enough he recruits way too many average players.

I thought getting better players stronger recruiting would be a good thing?
 
BalmainJnr said:
I think it is more a case that with Sheens being the head coach with added responsibility of developing the next coach, he doesn’t have the time to focus on the much needed roster building work we have ahead of us.
WT for better or worse recognised this and got someone they believe has the right skills and connections to take that burden of Sheens.
Sheens can’t be Head of Football, Head Coach, Coaching Development Officer, Head of Recruitment etc all at once, there isn’t enough time in the day.
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Agree, and recruitment has been C grade.

Management and board would of copped shit no matter what they did.
 
BalmainJnr said:
I think it is more a case that with Sheens being the head coach with added responsibility of developing the next coach, he doesn’t have the time to focus on the much needed roster building work we have ahead of us.
WT for better or worse recognised this and got someone they believe has the right skills and connections to take that burden off Sheens.
Sheens can’t be Head of Football, Head Coach, Coaching Development Officer, Head of Recruitment etc all at once, there isn’t enough time in the day.
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The club have a long history of coming second in contract negotiations so the board sourced Fulton in hope of turning things around. I guess Sheens was not privy to the Fulton deal because he had a very long relationship with Big Mac.

I don’t think Sheens would want to involve himself in the actual negotiations but I am sure he would be heavily involved in what players we try to recruit.
 
hsvjones said:
Sheens is doing what not many would do.
He is developing Benji and protecting him from the media because if he didn't Benji would most likely be gone by now after the start we had. He doesn't care about his reputation
Sheens identifies the young talent and gives them the confidence and chance to play 1st grade. Bula is a great example as not many coaches put him in at that time. Credit to him.
TBF the club has moved on alot of dead wood and IMO heading in the right direction.

Unfortunately we are in for some more hurt now with Api, Brooks, stains, AD out long term so assume sheens will need to blood more young ones.
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Yes sheens does bring kids on , but apart from bula , there is bugger all that I can see would make 1st grade , and the younger kids are at least 2-3 maybe even 4 years away , our gun players will be retired before they make it
 
Telltails said:
Really don't think Mac would have made one iota of difference in MM decision not to sign with us, because he never was going to leave Parra no matter how the club tried to paint it otherwise.

What ever control Sheens thought he had has been hit with a sledgehammer - at the hand of our illustrious leaders - and the fall out from that has only just started - re WMac gone.
Lee H and Pascoe only know one way - turmoil.
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I reckon you are 💯 correct with your feelings re MM was never coming to WT.
Being the scum bag he is, he would have just used the rumours to get more $$$ out of the Eels.
 
Telltails said:
Really don't think Mac would have made one iota of difference in MM decision not to sign with us, because he never was going to leave Parra no matter how the club tried to paint it otherwise.

What ever control Sheens thought he had has been hit with a sledgehammer - at the hand of our illustrious leaders - and the fall out from that has only just started - re WMac gone.
Lee H and Pascoe only know one way - turmoil.
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I think the point is how long it dragged on and was managed. Isaac took us for a ride.
 
BAGNF05 said:
Tigers DNA in the trash can after 6 months. New plan is Manly eshay DNA
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You slag off literally everything the club does, yet now you’re apparently very concerned about “Tigers DNA”. What exactly is it about this “Tiger DNA” that you’re so desperate to hang on to?
 
supercoach said:
Iam really surprised that people actually think the recruitment manager wields a lot of influence over the club and is working independently to the coaching staff.

Sheens would be telling Fulton what sort of players he wants and Fulton would then try and source these players. Okay because he came from Manly he has good contacts there but he would also be looking everywhere else. When push comes to shove its Sheens and Benji that decides who comes to the club.

Big Mac was pushed aside because of the way MMs negotiations panned out
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This ^^^^
 
Telltails said:
Really don't think Mac would have made one iota of difference in MM decision not to sign with us, because he never was going to leave Parra no matter how the club tried to paint it otherwise.

What ever control Sheens thought he had has been hit with a sledgehammer - at the hand of our illustrious leaders - and the fall out from that has only just started - re WMac gone.
Lee H and Pascoe only know one way - turmoil.
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Perhaps not but you have to wonder what McDonnell was telling the board ect they seemed to be very confident it was there to be done. I'm guessing McDonnell had a fair relationship with Issac Moses and was getting played like a fiddle, the key point then becomes the flow on effect how many others did we miss because we were holding our cards for Moses. Now we are losing Brooks on the back of it another Moses client, wouldnt be surprised to see Brooks turn up and a heavily slanted Moses club like manly.
I would be my bottom $ McDonnell was moved aside not sacked because of the Moses situation, I dont want a recruitment guy to dominate how this club is run especially a sub par one like McDonnell we should never have been strong armed into re employing him in the first place, now he's thrown his toys out of the pram and whispers of Sheens doing the same. But in all this not a word from Benji or Robbie something isnt adding up, also i have to add i think Pascoe and Lee should have been upfront with Sheens Re the Fulton appointment irrespective of what he thought of it still should have been in the loop. The only thing i will caveat that with is if it was as delicate of an operation as we are led to believe maybe Sheens and McDonnell could have torpedoed it through the media, which wouldnt surprise me.
Sorry Telltalis most of this response has little to do with your comment i just couldnt stop once i got going 🤣
 
Tim Sheens said:
I believe that we needed a change in recruitment, so if that was the question, then yes. Though like others, I think that the question needs to be more specific.
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Thanks Tim, don’t know why I didn’t see that.
Players don’t want to come to Tigers for overs = we need a new recruitment guy.
 
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