Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

pawsandclaws1 said:
I like to read the posts on the forum as many of them are informative and much thought has been given to them. I sometimes even read yours.

The period since Sheens arrived has seen many reforms to our juniors, junior development, identification and progression. This imo is the foundation upon which the club will be rebuilt. I especially enjoyed reading the post that confirmed our players are with Marshall. The likely acquisition of John Morris is a huge gain for WTs. His work with the Sharks' juniors was outstanding and he also is a very good comunnicator.
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bah hum bug - lol
 
versa said:
Is easy to say now. But ive been around many big business's and seen set ups where there's 2-3 people in charge of one area similar to how Sheens and Benji were. From what I've seen it just doesn't work people have different visions different ideas different strengths. You need one leader/Coach the rest need to know their spot and either follow or move on.
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That was the rumour about 2 months ago, player managers said there was no one clear voice or one clear vision, I assume they meant Sheens and Benji were not on the same page
 
851 said:
That was the rumour about 2 months ago, player managers said there was no one clear voice or one clear vision, I assume they meant Sheens and Benji were not on the same page
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Sadly no real surprise.
All clubs these days have a system of head coach and assistants but no club has ever had a head coach as mentor for a guaranteed succession of a chosen assistant.
Add the mix of recruitment etc and it was just untenable.
Literally, too many cooks, all overlapping in their roles.
No wonder player managers found dealing with us all too much.
There's no strength in dilution of powers.
I hope clarity in the power play is re-set and the vision forward is one-in, all in.

There was mention earlier about the Spurs comparison. Funny, Ange is setting his singular focus in leading the club, despite fans reservations.
I really hope Benji is as strong.
 
SwervinMervin said:
If that is the case, I would be a bit nervous about handing all the recruitment decisions to Scott Fulton. Apparently he wanted to go all in on Josh Schuster. He is absolutely not the type of player that we need and blind Freddy should see that.
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I'm just making an observation. Doesn't mean I agree with it tho
 
jirskyr said:
I appreciate your posts today.

I've always maintained that success in the NRL is roughly cyclical (3- or 5-year cycles) and it's uncommon for teams to stay at the top or at the bottom for multiple cycles.

However I think it's also true in the last 10 years that the competition has roughly settled into two camps of common "haves" and "have-nots". This means during the cyclical fortunes, we tend to see "haves" teams not fall too far and "have-not" teams not rise too high, such that the overall effect across 10+ seasons is you keep seeing the same sides habit the finals. And by definition, if you are making the finals, someone else is not. But the "have-nots" do populate the finals from time to time and this gives fans some level of satisfaction.

Specific to Tigers, in real terms we have observed these success cycles - 2004-2005, 2009-2011, 2016-2019. People will of course swat the recent patch away, but we did run 9th 3 out of 4 seasons, despite coaching and player instability, and a few wins here or there, or a bit of luck, and we are playing finals footy.

But of course this era of social media discussion seems to be lending itself to increasingly polar / binary / black+white opinions, so things either "are" or "are not" 99%, rather than being complicated and grey.

Tigers definitely did not make the finals since 2011 and Tigers definitely the worst team of the past 2 seasons. But aside from that, there's a lot of grey about how non-successful Tigers have been.

And when you get into the weeds, unfortunately there are some decisions or outcomes here and there that have hurt Tigers, that weren't necessarily badly planned. For example nobody wanted Tedesco to leave but the coach situation was unstable and Roosters came knocking - Roosters do this to a lot of clubs. Nobody was predicting Ivan going back to Penrith after previously being sacked. Madge looked like a wise signing on paper; Cleary and Madge are arguably the strongest coaching candidates we've ever had sign on.

But as one of the "have not" clubs, we need things to go just right to maintain any kind of success. And I'm not trying to make a point of excusing anyone or any specific decision, but to agree with what you have said, that there have been some poor decisions, but also some reasonable decisions that just haven't worked out.

I personally don't think the decisions have been definitely as bad as some people portrayed. The results are obviously bad, but Tigers 2023 are still pretty competitive for the comp's worst team; it's a strange one; they don't seem so far off any of another 8 or 10 sides. They just haven't been able to find that piece to put it all together.

I have a similar experience as a Spurs supporter in the EPL. I started in 2018 and during that time they've been no worse than 8th best out of 20, never anywhere near relegation, and 3 times 4th or better. They almost won the Premier League in 2016-17, played Champions League 4 times and made the CL Final once. Financially Spurs are much stronger than most EPL sides, but still some distance off the biggest clubs (owned by oil or American sports barons).

As a Tigers fan I think those Spurs results are all quite OK, all encouraging enough. BUT older Spurs fans are not happy because the club hasn't won a trophy since 2008. Like Tigers and finals, winning any kind of trophy, even a meaningless one, has an over-sized importance, because it's some measure of success. The club is privately owned by 2 UK businessmen and fans basically hate the owners for not spending enough money. They've changed managers 5 times in 6 seasons. Spurs' best player (Harry Kane) just left last week.

Therefore are Spurs a terrible club? No certainly not. Are the owners hopeless? Well firstly, it's their club, despite what fans say. And I am sure the owners wish for success just as much as anyone does, and think they are doing the best things they can. And the owners might be wrong, but you don't have the authority to overthrow them because you disagree - they own the club and you do not. Daniel Levy is basically Spurs' version of Pascoe, good with money and not good with football players (except that Levy actually does part-own Spurs).
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Great post.
 
From Fox Sports:
The NRL’s most in-demand man, Payne Haas, will remain a Bronco.
That is according to News Corp, who reports the superstar prop has inked a three-year extension worth $3.5 million.

But wait.
That's nothing compared to this.
WOW!!

Official, confirmed. Neymar Jr joins Al Hilal on $300m package record salary in two years, no option to extend.
Salary could go up to potential $400m total until 2025 based on add-ons & commercial deals.
Deal completed by his father Neymar Pai and super agent Pini Zahavi.
 
tiger_one said:
Sadly no real surprise.
All clubs these days have a system of head coach and assistants but no club has ever had a head coach as mentor for a guaranteed succession of a chosen assistant.
Add the mix of recruitment etc and it was just untenable.
Literally, too many cooks, all overlapping in their roles.
No wonder player managers found dealing with us all too much.
There's no strength in dilution of powers.
I hope clarity in the power play is re-set and the vision forward is one-in, all in.

There was mention earlier about the Spurs comparison. Funny, Ange is setting his singular focus in leading the club, despite fans reservations.
I really hope Benji is as strong.
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To be fair Wayne did the exact same at South’s and is doing it at dolphins- it was not unprecedented
 
Tom Shines said:
Unfortunafely… the Tigers are no Spurs.

We are more like Watford… probably better suited out of the Premier League in the long term,,, getting promoted once every 7-8 years and then straight back down the following season,,,
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Just to be clear I'm not saying Tigers are equivalent to Spurs, I am saying Spurs are much more successful than Tigers and yet Spurs fans are still quite unhappy with the club, for basically the same reasons that Tigers fans are unhappy - lack of success, lack of finals, not feeling their voices heard, no control over the owners, owners who sack coaches and players but never take personal responsibility. Daniel Levy is, like Lee Hagipantelis, quite unpopular and is definitely a businessman before a football man.

The decisions being taken by Spurs owners are roughly equivalent to Tigers - they hooked a successful manager when he started to falter / fell out with the team, then things have gradually gotten worse despite hiring very prominent coaches. Then the best player leaves because he wants to win a premiership.
 
tiger_one said:
From Fox Sports:
The NRL’s most in-demand man, Payne Haas, will remain a Bronco.
That is according to News Corp, who reports the superstar prop has inked a three-year extension worth $3.5 million.

But wait.
That's nothing compared to this.
WOW!!

Official, confirmed. Neymar Jr joins Al Hilal on $300m package record salary in two years, no option to extend.
Salary could go up to potential $400m total until 2025 based on add-ons & commercial deals.
Deal completed by his father Neymar Pai and super agent Pini Zahavi.
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Mate there were rumours that Mbappe turned the Saudis down @ $500M Euros per season
 
boonboon said:
To be fair Wayne did the exact same at South’s and is doing it at dolphins- it was not unprecedented
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Oh yes, Wayne. You're right.
He's just so much his own man, I didn't think his role was the same.
Our version was so multi-pronged, there appeared so much more internal influence.
 
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