2023 Israel–Hamas war

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Peter Jackson's biggest mistake was not including the character of Tom Bombadil in the Lord of The Rings, he was one of Tolkien's most interesting characters in the book.
 
TillLindemann said:
Peter Jackson's biggest mistake was not including the character of Tom Bombadil in the Lord of The Rings, he was one of Tolkien's most interesting characters in the book.
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I must admit i was amazed that Goldberry and Tom Bombadil were not in the movies because if anybody was the epitomy of innocence and goodness it was them.
It is people like them that are lacking on this planet of ours
 
Papacito said:
Genuine question, what evidence is there that (beyond a few fringe lunatics) people are supporting Hamas?

I've seen support pro Palestine support but my understanding is that pro Hamas support in Australia is a crime.
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Good question, but IMO the boundaries between supporting Palestinians and Hamas are pretty grey and blurry. Firstly, of course Hamas is the democratically (originally) elected government representing the Palestinian people of Gaza, so to that extent they are the same, but also (IMO intentionally) the deffierence has been blurred by ignorance. For example at the "peaceful" pro- palestinian demonstration in Melbourne, the supporters are chanting "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free". This is Hamas stated aim to push Israel back into the sea and obliterate the state of Israel.
https://www.tiktok.com/video/7288499391378312455
 
A very sad ending with Irish/Israeli woman Kim Damti one of 260 odd found dead at the Supernova Festival. The poor mother.

www.bbc.com

Missing Irish-Israeli woman's relatives 'only have hope'

Irish-Israeli woman Kim Damti, 22, has been missing since the Supernova music festival attack.
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Underbelly actor's sister in law taken by Hamas

www.dailymail.co.uk

Underbelly star's jewellery designer sister-in-law kidnapped by Hamas

Moran Yanai, 40, was rounded up by Palestinian militants at the Supernova music festival as she fled a barrage of gunfire that saw 260 helpless civilians killed.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
tony soprano said:
Where are their protest?
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No one knows. No one cares.

If the media doesn't tell us to care, then we don't care.

If the media tells us to care and we don't emote on cue, then they call us heartless.

This game has been going forever, in one way or another. Life is difficult so humans apply BS as a salve. The BS can come in many forms ...

Logically, if we cared about everything worthy of care in the world we would be overwhelmed and unable to function. To me, it's just one more SNAFU overseas to join all the others.
 
Siberian Kitten said:
No one knows. No one cares.

If the media doesn't tell us to care, then we don't care.

If the media tells us to care and we don't emote on cue, then they call us heartless.

This game has been going forever, in one way or another. Life is difficult so humans apply BS as a salve. The BS can come in many forms ...

Logically, if we cared about everything worthy of care in the world we would be overwhelmed and unable to function. To me, it's just one more SNAFU overseas to join all the others.
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Great point.
 
Mistymuzzle said:
A video was released today of an interview with Hamas leader Ali Baraka on RT (Russia propaganda network) where he basically says exactly this. That Hamas lulled the west into believing that they cared about looking after the 2.5M Palestinians in Gaza, all the while planning this attack for 2 years with support from Iran, Hezbollah & Turkey. He says the quiet part out loud they they prey on the fact that the West "loves life" and that they crave death and martyrdom and that the death of their children in defence of their land is a good thing that gives them martyrdom.

The west makes the same mistake over and over and over again of imposing our values on other cultures. We assume that all people crave safety for their children and a desire for prosperity, growth, civilisation. Its simply not true. These people do not seek the same things that we do. They crave jihad and martyrdom but we dont believe them despite they say it out loud with their words, their actions and write it in their Charter.. The West simply dont believe it because it is so foreign and barbaric to us. But it is the truth.

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just so disturbing.
 
Mistymuzzle said:

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I read both the 1988 and updated 2017 versions. There seems to be a lot of difference in the two versions, with the second version seemingly not as aggressive as the 1988. Then you have the weekend???!!! A question I have is, "How does the ordinary muslim person feel in response to the 1988 version in particular? Do many reject its call to constant jihad? I simply can't comprehend it all because I have lived in this beautiful country all my life. My fervent hope is that we, as a country, never descend to the level of hate that has led to despicable acts like what has happened over there occurring on our shores. America, currently, needs to look at itself as well, particularly who they place in positions of power. The level of political divide and hate in that country is growing rapidly. In the end it is the leaders of political parties, religions, other groups who establish the agenda for reason and peace or hate and violence.
 
Krammy said:
I read both the 1988 and updated 2017 versions. There seems to be a lot of difference in the two versions, with the second version seemingly not as aggressive as the 1988. Then you have the weekend???!!! A question I have is, "How does the ordinary muslim person feel in response to the 1988 version in particular? Do many reject its call to constant jihad? I simply can't comprehend it all because I have lived in this beautiful country all my life. My fervent hope is that we, as a country, never descend to the level of hate that has led to despicable acts like what has happened over there occurring on our shores. America, currently, needs to look at itself as well, particularly who they place in positions of power. The level of political divide and hate in that country is growing rapidly. In the end it is the leaders of political parties, religions, other groups who establish the agenda for reason and peace or hate and violence.
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I find Muslims have difficulty seeing any fult in the religion.

Theyll say its a person (interpretation) issue not a religion issue.

Also, it's probably appropriate to point out that Muslim religion is not the only religion causing wars.
 
tony soprano said:
I find Muslims have difficulty seeing any fult in the religion.

Theyll say its a person (interpretation) issue not a religion issue.

Also, it's probably appropriate to point out that Muslim religion is not the only religion causing wars.
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I don't view it as a religious matter to determine how we treat one another. Morality is a set of customs and habits that shape how we think about how we should live or about what is a good human life. If we all treated one another with respect and valued the sanctity of human life, the world would be a better place. Can save that up for the next beauty competition.
 
tony soprano said:
I find Muslims have difficulty seeing any fult in the religion.

Theyll say its a person (interpretation) issue not a religion issue.

Also, it's probably appropriate to point out that Muslim religion is not the only religion causing wars.
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Most believers don't want to see fault in their religion, even when they are tainted by molesters. Abrahamic religions call themselves "the religion of peace", but they are maybe the least peaceful of all.

In the end, the problem is eight billion humans. People are always getting in each others' way, on personal, regional and national levels. More competition. More being thwarted. More resentments. Fewer animals and plants.

All around the world, people want someone to blame. All they need do is look in the mirror and multiply by eight billion.

It's not anyone's fault, it's the planet's fault 🙂 We pretend to be in charge but we have been controlled by our environments every step of the way, and then act like it's a free decision. We can't even coordinate within nations let alone between them.

So now people will be forced to choose between security and freedom. It's as if the whole world was turning into the Wests Tigers.
 
Far from over
more lives will be lost
I feel more lives from one side than the other will be lost and by a big margin
ground war by Israel will be like ethnic cleansing , there going to go in hard and nasty
 
I remember Russel Brand said once (before he went off the deep end), combating violence with violence is just planting seeds of more violence. You might kill a whole lot of people, but you’re breeding hate into the survivors who will retaliate the same way. It’s a vicious cycle. It might be the most hippie thing I ever say, but the only thing that defeats hate is love.
 
TillLindemann said:
Apologies, stupid autocorrect, I meant to say Middle Earth not Middle East.

In my opinion Tolkien is still unsurpassed. The LOTR movies were epic, but really the book is so much better. Honestly, everyone should read the book at some point in their life.

Was less of a fan of The Hobbit though.
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Those Lord of the Rings movies were incredibly boring.
 
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