Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Sully]

If you listen to the Zorba interview you have to laugh as his agenda is blatant and his view on things is laughable. The others took him to task for his bias, but as others here have said who cares what he says.

Put the WT part aside he claimed the Broncos premiership window is closed which is ridiculous and called the English umpires tonight in the Cricket World Cup dickheads as their names are Richard. What a flog, I hope we can use these and others comments as motivation along with our own motivation from the lack of success over the past seasons.

Saw API at RNB Fridayz at the Showgrounds last night and looks fit and ready to go.

If Staines has signed it is great news and adds pace to our backline

Tomorrow will see the second wave back for preseason with the international players back by Jan 3.

 

[gregjm87]

All of this is speculation on your behalf…

And relying on anything Peter Peters is saying isn’t smart … he claimed that Sezer is getting paid overs at $200k..!

Not sure how. Lets evaluate what ive said.
"There is no evidence of any other club wanting him".
Do a google search and find him being linked to another club. The closest i found was one article saying Staines needs a club and Dogs need a fullback. Nothing from either party to suggest there was actually interest. When you do your search you will find the reports I alluded in my next point Regarding the price tag putting clubs off and his manager approaching the Tigers. Now admittedly I don't know if that is true, but it was certainly reported.


I'm not relying on anything Peter's is saying. I specifically said that "there was no mention of a price tag but if it is overs...". As in I haven't tried to confirm it as true that he has signed or the estimated contracted value.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Benji is close to signing multiple rep level players for 24 and 25. That’s the word on the street.

Olam, Luai & Fonua-Blake have been linked to us on media street. There is 3.

 

[king_sirro]

There is no evidence of any other club wanting him. The reports last year were at his previous 500k price tag no other clubs were interested and his manager contacted Tigers to get him to the club. There has been no media speculation about him at all recently to the point many are on here questioning his health and future.

Now Peter's claims he has been re-signed on 'overs'. There is no mention of the price tag but If it is on overs then signing him would be bad business. Especially as it appears there is no competition for his signature.

Maybe we payed overs for Staines in 24 due to the fact we are in such a good salary cap position and by law, we have to spend a certain amount. Maybe, his 2nd year is a cut and it evens out well over 2 years. Maybe it wasn't just smart business, but it was necessary business to stay within NRL rules.

One of the biggest issues facing struggling clubs is the fact they have to spend a certain amount of the cap, it's ludicrous and significantly hampers the lower clubs building a war chest to help get out of the doldrums. Fact is, we have to pay the same for our squad as what the Roosters and Bronocos pay for theirs. It's criminal.

 

[gregjm87]

Maybe we payed overs for Staines in 24 due to the fact we are in such a good salary cap position and by law, we have to spend a certain amount. Maybe, his 2nd year is a cut and it evens out well over 2 years. Maybe it wasn't just smart business, but it was necessary business to stay within NRL rules.

One of the biggest issues facing struggling clubs is the fact they have to spend a certain amount of the cap, it's ludicrous and significantly hampers the lower clubs building a war chest to help get out of the doldrums. Fact is, we have to pay the same for our squad as what the Roosters and Bronocos pay for theirs. It's criminal.

I'm evaluating the simple phrase of "paid overs for Staines". Paying overs for an average winger is bad business.
But you are right in that we don't know what Peter's considers overs (or if it even happened). Heck, he might think players should be on $100 a win +pie and coke.
If any or all your maybes are accurate then it could very well be smart/er business.

I'd suggest (without knowing) we must currently be cap compliant to have a 30man squad registered with the NRL. If it did eventuate that a player was released and Staines takes their place well we could assume Staines new salary is somewhat equal to that of the departing player (less anything we are contributing to ship off said player).

I completely agree that having a cap floor limits the options for lower placed clubs. Not sure I'd say it's criminal. In fact if say it's necessary but that is a whole other topic.

 

[innsaneink]

Signings announcement later today

What was it?

 

[Tom Shines]

Not sure how. Lets evaluate what ive said.
"There is no evidence of any other club wanting him".
Do a google search and find him being linked to another club. The closest i found was one article saying Staines needs a club and Dogs need a fullback. Nothing from either party to suggest there was actually interest. When you do your search you will find the reports I alluded in my next point Regarding the price tag putting clubs off and his manager approaching the Tigers. Now admittedly I don't know if that is true, but it was certainly reported.


I'm not relying on anything Peter's is saying. I specifically said that "there was no mention of a price tag but if it is overs...". As in I haven't tried to confirm it as true that he has signed or the estimated contracted value.

”if it is overs then that is bad business” … that is speculation…like I said the only thing to go off so far is Peters comments … who seems to have a bias against whatever the Tigers do..

Not all approaches from other clubs are reported in the media…if no one leaks it ( player agents or clubs involved) then how does the media find out about it to report it?…

 

[Tiger_Yoshi]

What was it?

Wasn’t he another kid everyone had big hopes for?

48hrs

 

[tigertuff]

Shuster = overpaid
Turbo = overpaid
Brooks = overpaid
Jake = overpaid
Peter peters = overweight

 

[Aceshigh]

There is no evidence of any other club wanting him. The reports last year were at his previous 500k price tag no other clubs were interested and his manager contacted Tigers to get him to the club. There has been no media speculation about him at all recently to the point many are on here questioning his health and future.

Now Peter's claims he has been re-signed on 'overs'. There is no mention of the price tag but If it is on overs then signing him would be bad business. Especially as it appears there is no competition for his signature.

Yep and he thinks Schuster was signed as a bargain basement , lets not even comment on anything this clown has to say

 

[WestsEffTheRest]

Benji is close to signing multiple rep level players for 24 and 25. That’s the word on the street.

Oxford street?

 

[gregjm87]

”if it is overs then that is bad business” … that is speculation…like I said the only thing to go off so far is Peters comments … who seems to have a bias against whatever the Tigers do..

Not all approaches from other clubs are reported in the media…if no one leaks it ( player agents or clubs involved) then how does the media find out about it to report it?…

You realise that sentence starts with "If"?, acknowledging there is doubt that it has happened.
I have acknowledged both to you and KR that we don't actually know what Peter's considers overs to assess if the signing, should it even be true, is in fact bad business. Just that overs, generally speaking, would be.
Or alternatively, do you think paying overs for an average winger who is proven not to be able to change the fortunes of our club is not at all 'bad business'?
Yes. Not all approaches made are reported to/in the media. But without the media report there is no evidence of them occurring.
Maybe Lestronge is right and Dogs, Dolphins and Eels wanted to sign him (that by Lestronge would be an example of speculation by the way). Maybe even the 12 other clubs tried to sign him. There remains no evidence of it. Hence my original statement of "there is no evidence of other clubs wanting him".

 

[Tom Shines]

You realise that sentence starts with "If"?, acknowledging there is doubt that it has happened.
I have acknowledged both to you and KR that we don't actually know what Peter's considers overs to assess if the signing, should it even be true, is in fact bad business. Just that overs, generally speaking, would be.
Or alternatively, do you think paying overs for an average winger who is proven not to be able to change the fortunes of our club is not at all 'bad business'?
Yes. Not all approaches made are reported to/in the media. But without the media report there is no evidence of them occurring.
Maybe Lestronge is right and Dogs, Dolphins and Eels wanted to sign him (that by Lestronge would be an example of speculation by the way). Maybe even the 12 other clubs tried to sign him. There remains no evidence of it. Hence my original statement of "there is no evidence of other clubs wanting him".

I just googled the definition of speculation…

“The forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence ..”

is this not what you are doing ?

You using the term “if“ confirms this right?

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Benji is close to signing multiple rep level players for 24 and 25. That’s the word on the street.

We have to bin a few off first, if Staines is signed we must have free'd up at least one spot.

 

[crazycat]

Not that I won’t Olam but if we have to why wouldn’t we try and organise a loan system like they did with Harry Grant
We loan them Blore
They loan us Olam
for 2024.
They still pay Olam & we pay Blore.
If Olam is not the player he was we are not stuck with him for more than the year.

Look I would love it if Melbourne would agree to that. Hey we can loan Latu out there too and Borrow Jerome Hugues for awhile....

AINT HAPPENING.

Also us sniping a Junior center or wing off Melbourne instead of Olam is rather Doubtful.

 

[tigertragic]

It was pretty well reported that he was signed on ~350k-400k. Which for a starting halfback is very cheap.

Not a chance in hell it was for 200 or less

I was just commenting on the Peter Peters statement that he was offered to clubs at $150 and the tigers paid $200 without any competitors 🤷. Just noting the contract length can affect $$$ per year

 

[gregjm87]

I just googled the definition of speculation…

“The forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence ..”

is this not what you are doing ?

You using the term “if“ confirms this right?

No. Well actually not really would be more accurate.

There is evidence that overpaying Staines is bad business. Simply the phrase overpaying suggests it is bad business. Otherwise the statement would just be "signing Staines is bad business", which I have not claimed.

Then there is actually evidence of why it would be bad business. He didn't make any difference to our team, or even play particularly well last year. He has failed to standout as an NRL winger in his career to date.
Additionally, as a winger he is unlikely to change the fortunes of our team, compared to say if we did pay overs for Luai or when Knights paid overs for Ponga. There is 25 years of NRL and 100+ years of rugby league to support this.

The argument for what I'm saying being speculative would be
is this evidence firm? Obviously I believe so. It doesn't mean that he can't improve his performance moving forward but the odds are against him.
And, what is overs. I've somewhat addressed this already. Just because Peters believes it's overs doesn't mean it is, or that others would agree. I haven't actually assigned a value but have said that I've taken it in its simplest form. That is to mean that it is a value that would be widely be accepted as above his market value.

Edit: as my previous posts. The claim of these 3 clubs wanted to sign Staines had no evidence, firm or otherwise. Thus it was speculation.

 

[earl]

What was it?

Wests Tigers appoint Interim Head of Football

Wests Tigers has announced the appointment of Matthew Betsey as Interim Head of Football, as the 2024 NRL squad continues to assemble for pre-season training.

www.weststigers.com.au

He was right.

 

[Tom Shines]

No. Well actually not really would be more accurate.

There is evidence that overpaying Staines is bad business. Simply the phrase overpaying suggests it is bad business. Otherwise the statement would just be "signing Staines is bad business", which I have not claimed.

Then there is actually evidence of why it would be bad business. He didn't make any difference to our team, or even play particularly well last year. He has failed to standout as an NRL winger in his career to date.
Additionally, as a winger he is unlikely to change the fortunes of our team, compared to say if we did pay overs for Luai or when Knights paid overs for Ponga. There is 25 years of NRL and 100+ years of rugby league to support this.

The argument for what I'm saying being speculative would be
is this evidence firm? Obviously I believe so. It doesn't mean that he can't improve his performance moving forward but the odds are against him.
And, what is overs. I've somewhat addressed this already. Just because Peters believes it's overs doesn't mean it is, or that others would agree. I haven't actually assigned a value but have said that I've taken it in its simplest form. That is to mean that it is a value that would be widely be accepted as above his market value.

Edit: as my previous posts. The claim of these 3 clubs wanted to sign Staines had no evidence, firm or otherwise. Thus it was speculation.

I disagree… but I’m not going to argue any further ,,,it would just be recycling whaI I have already said which i believe is clear …

 

[Krammy]

Olam, Luai & Fonua-Blake have been linked to us on media street. There is 3.

My God, if those three came we would be a real chance for the Top 8. Might have a sneaky look at Sportsbet odds before anything is announced. Then again we might get 0-3. Aah - worth a punt.