king_sirro
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Geez, he'd be 48
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Geez, he'd be 48
Tiger Karen
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Most threads deviate on forums. Someone raises a point others find interesting and the train of thought follows. Then it’s up to the mods I guess.
I was listening to Flanno recently, he says it’s going to take some time for his players to play the game how he wants them to.
Kind of like an indoctrination process and i guess it’s the same for Benji.
I think one of our players said last year that when he’s training us, he can be pretty harsh but then chuck a wink in here or there to individuals so they know it’s nothing personal. So that’s one of his tactics.
Very different from Madges final days, where people said he had players walking on eggshells and high anxiety issues. Not to knock him personally.
I think the end of the relationship was probably right, but the timing not so good.
Jason Taylor has given some very interesting interviews about coaching, the wrong coach at the wrong time for us.
People compare coaches, but with a few exceptions it’s hard as they usually have different material to work with.
I was listening to Flanno recently, he says it’s going to take some time for his players to play the game how he wants them to.
Kind of like an indoctrination process and i guess it’s the same for Benji.
I think one of our players said last year that when he’s training us, he can be pretty harsh but then chuck a wink in here or there to individuals so they know it’s nothing personal. So that’s one of his tactics.
Very different from Madges final days, where people said he had players walking on eggshells and high anxiety issues. Not to knock him personally.
I think the end of the relationship was probably right, but the timing not so good.
Jason Taylor has given some very interesting interviews about coaching, the wrong coach at the wrong time for us.
People compare coaches, but with a few exceptions it’s hard as they usually have different material to work with.
hank37w
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The last try in this clip Shows Chris Morcombe scoring a try in both his and Balmain's second last game in the top grade in round 25 of 1999, unfortunately still losing to the Dogs.
He finished the season as Balmain's top try scorer with 9 tries. Makes a great break and backs up nicely to finish the try. Some other nice tries and memories in that short clip.
pawsandclaws1
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Thanks for posting this clip. It was great to watch and Chris Morcombe was one of my favourites.
Halbrowne61
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Great memories of some brilliant tries. Can we create some more this season , PLEASE !!!!
Love watching the old clips. Thanks for sharing.
clontarfkid
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Think Madge will be a success at SOO,as hes very good at pulling together established senior players into a cohesive team(Souths/Wigan/NZ)..but not so good at developing young players nor developing a winning culture amongst these types
It really drives me nuts because it's such a lazy way of promoting 'exciting' football. As in, I want to see teams taking high risk, high reward options on the last - scoring brilliant tries or being kept out by desperate defensive plays. And yet this rule gives a massive disincentive to doing so. The NRL apparently thinks it's more important to just get the other team up the other end as quickly as possible, as if all us dumb punters want is every game to end up 40-36 with a bunch of barge over or overlap tries (or, for one season, 72-6 with one team running wild up the middle) and aren't capable of appreciating a game that finishes 18-16 where every point is incredibly hard fought for.
crazycat
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Fair point, we can't compare say Madge to Cleary as Cleary was building a squad while Madge had to manage what was built.
I think Taylor was trying to beef up our roster and keep Taupau, but boy did he go about it like an idiot. Had Taylor worked with Farah instead of declaring WW3 he may have lasted. But poor people skills is in Taylor's DNA. Fired from 2 clubs for it.
A coach needs to get a lot of things right and delegate their weaknesses out to people.
Todd Payten and Fitzgibbon know how to manage and work a forward pack, backs and halves far less so.
Your older coaches will get both roles, but may not have kept up with the changing game, i.e. Tim Sheens.
I think Marshall has the people management skills and respect of the players.
Where Marshall will lack is defensive structures having played mostly under us, along with how to coach/work with a forward pack.
Hopefully Chris H and J Morris can make up for these weaknesses.
Halbrowne61
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Can I just also say CC “ if Farah had worked with Taylor he would have lasted “.
Robbie has been in and around a lot of shit for the Tigers and when I was around football it was the players who respected the coach and didn’t try to undermine them.
Taylor may not have had the appropriate skills but he was still the head coach. Same at South’s, so he was entitled to some respect.
crazycat
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What have I done in opening this Pandora's box....
Yes your head coach is worth some respect. Farah made the stupid mistake of treating Gordon Tallis as a player and not a journalistic Snake... But I get it Farah was facing Taylor dropping him without a thought or any attempt at handling it.
I like how the Movie "moneyball" covers telling a player they are dropped. I don't think they got it right, but you put some effort into what you are going to say. You do it in private and you do it long before the media finds out.
Dennisspicer1
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Now gonna see if I can find some old footage of Larry Corowa.
Halbrowne61
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Spot on !!
Tiger Karen
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There’s nothing wrong with a bit of strident disagreement if it’s based on the friendship and respect.
Bennet seems to keep up with the game, so Im not sure age was the issue, it’s more what he was trying to do. I’ll lean on Api when he said that the players weren’t suited to Tim’s game and vice versa. And truth be told, we saw some awful performances. Most players went backwards in all kpis. So a horrific disconnect.
A worry I have about Benji, Tim’s ways are a major influence on him. I don’t think we want an extension of the dysfunctional Tim’s ways.
If Benji was coaching the halves last year, it wasn’t impressive. He may be better in the overall leadership. I hope so.
I mean we will find out how fresh his game plan is and whether he can get the player motivation underway in due course.
What we should get from a Benji is some good post match interviews as he is unique.
Bennet seems to keep up with the game, so Im not sure age was the issue, it’s more what he was trying to do. I’ll lean on Api when he said that the players weren’t suited to Tim’s game and vice versa. And truth be told, we saw some awful performances. Most players went backwards in all kpis. So a horrific disconnect.
A worry I have about Benji, Tim’s ways are a major influence on him. I don’t think we want an extension of the dysfunctional Tim’s ways.
If Benji was coaching the halves last year, it wasn’t impressive. He may be better in the overall leadership. I hope so.
I mean we will find out how fresh his game plan is and whether he can get the player motivation underway in due course.
What we should get from a Benji is some good post match interviews as he is unique.
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GNR4LIFE
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It’s more of a case of some coaches can move with the times as they get older. Bennett and Bellamy are good examples. Sheens is a good example of someone who couldn’t.
Tiger Karen
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Ok, I can go with that.
Tim failed in almost everything he set out to accomplish.
To be fair, we don’t have his story.
But I’m surprised Tim didn’t bankrupt us.
I’m sure he had good intentions, but as you suggest, when faced with the critical decisions he blew it.
By the law of averages, he should have got 50% right, but it was one dogs breakfast after another. Maybe he got 10% right?
Who could forget his classic meet the boss interview? We were supposed to be doing all this ball work and the rest is history.
But he unwittingly helped smash the board into oblivion so it was a happy ending. He left on a high note, well he slinked off.
I thought his exit was very badly handled. He could have been deeply depressed I don’t know.
I don’t know what we paid him, but I am sure his kpi wasn’t to screw everything up multiple times until we are at risk of getting taken over by the bears or end up in Port Moresby as the crocodiles.
He should reimburse us something.
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Tigerwould
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Behind a paywall
GNR4LIFE
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I don’t mind old Roy, but his opinion pieces aren’t worth hiding behind a paywall.
Read the article. It's not up to his usual standard. Basically just says we need to make more use of our junior nursery and stop other clubs from poaching our juniors.
Halbrowne61
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Sounds sensible. And therefore avoid the need to mortgage the farm on outsiders wanting up to $6m etc.
