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The Chad said:
Until it's proven that he cannot run, I think it's safer to assume he can.

I love how many doctors & knee specialists work on forums.
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It’s not about being a doctor. How many players succeed after 3 knee recos?
 
The Chad said:
Papali'i was great yesterday & the fans turn on him.

Makes sense.

Someone said Doueihi walks into the side at Centre at the moment- and that's right. It helps that he is the guy most likely to break the line on his own, but it's convenient to forget the strengths to support the generally negative narrative.

Cotric is an upgrade on Staines, simply through his ability to fall forward in a tackle. Quicker play of the ball, more positive metres etc. Staines is trying harder, and regressing in the process.

On the other wing...look to Ryde Eastwood.
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I agree that Papali’i is trying hard and going ok, but it looks like he’s lost a bit of the explosive speed he once had and may now be better suited as a middle forward because of it.
Sounds like a broken down record, but nearly all NRL teams have now identified that good edge forwards are explosive athletes that regularly challenge the defence, bust tackles, make line breaks, line breaks assists and score tries.
For one reason or another this is barely happening for us, so it’s obvious there is a problem of some sort.
Fullbacks and edge forwards nearly always involved in good attack for rival clubs, very rarely for us yet many believe we have great players in these positions ?
Plenty of experts on here, can one of them explain why this is the case ?
 
Vicious said:
I agree that Papali’i is trying hard and going ok, but it looks like he’s lost a bit of the explosive speed he once had and may now be better suited as a middle forward because of it.
Sounds like a broken down record, but nearly all NRL teams have now identified that good edge forwards are explosive athletes that regularly challenge the defence, bust tackles, make line breaks, line breaks assists and score tries.
For one reason or another this is barely happening for us, so it’s obvious there is a problem of some sort.
Fullbacks and edge forwards nearly always involved in good attack for rival clubs, very rarely for us yet many believe we have great players in these positions ?
Plenty of experts on here, can one of them explain why this is the case ?
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No expert, but we are in the infancy stages of bringing through our own junior talent.

That might sound like a cop out answer- but consider this:

The last few seasons the club has rabidly gone out trying to sign players that either slipped through other teams cracks, didn't fit other teams styles or were on the downside of their careers.

All the 'good' teams have developed their own players (mostly) through systems developed from an early stage in their development.

The Tigers have been a melting pot of players brought through different styles.

The clubs future success will be based on guys like Galvin, Miller, Fa'agutu, Lualili'i, Mason, Bula etc, etc who are brought through a complete system. This way, the better athletes in the club stand out, grow into more & the guys that don't quite fit the style...end up at clubs that USED to be what were.

There will always be players signed & added from elsewhere. But clubs like the Storm, Panthers, Broncos, Roosters- look at the BULK of their squad. It is mostly made up of guys that developed through their systems.

The current Tigers team has how many of OUR junior players on the field? Guys that developed through our junior systems?

Galvin, Bula...Seyfarth. Is that it? Pole to a degree. Tupou to a lesser degree.
 
The Chad said:
No expert, but we are in the infancy stages of bringing through our own junior talent.

That might sound like a cop out answer- but consider this:

The last few seasons the club has rabidly gone out trying to sign players that either slipped through other teams cracks, didn't fit other teams styles or were on the downside of their careers.

All the 'good' teams have developed their own players (mostly) through systems developed from an early stage in their development.

The Tigers have been a melting pot of players brought through different styles.

The clubs future success will be based on guys like Galvin, Miller, Fa'agutu, Lualili'i, Mason, Bula etc, etc who are brought through a complete system. This way, the better athletes in the club stand out, grow into more & the guys that don't quite fit the style...end up at clubs that USED to be what were.

There will always be players signed & added from elsewhere. But clubs like the Storm, Panthers, Broncos, Roosters- look at the BULK of their squad. It is mostly made up of guys that developed through their systems.

The current Tigers team has how many of OUR junior players on the field? Guys that developed through our junior systems?

Galvin, Bula...Seyfarth. Is that it? Pole to a degree. Tupou to a lesser degree.
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Fair enough The Chad, I like how you at least offer your opinions and don’t just go with the general consensus 👍
 
Vicious said:
I agree that Papali’i is trying hard and going ok, but it looks like he’s lost a bit of the explosive speed he once had and may now be better suited as a middle forward because of it.
Sounds like a broken down record, but nearly all NRL teams have now identified that good edge forwards are explosive athletes that regularly challenge the defence, bust tackles, make line breaks, line breaks assists and score tries.
For one reason or another this is barely happening for us, so it’s obvious there is a problem of some sort.
Fullbacks and edge forwards nearly always involved in good attack for rival clubs, very rarely for us yet many believe we have great players in these positions ?
Plenty of experts on here, can one of them explain why this is the case ?
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There was an earlier post about Papalii. How can you expect him to be the explosive hole runner when he is making 40+ tackles a game. Why he is making so many tackles should be analysed, be it one or a combination of the reasons put forth already; lazy middles, Papallii designated defensive role, being targeted by opposition in order to blunt his attack etc.
Additionally, many have identified slow play the balls/not winning the ruck. It matters. Halves need the time to execute their play and the ball runner needs that front foot footy to overpower an equally strong defender.
Finally, Sezer (previously Wakeham) is not a running threat. Defenders can aim up on Papallii knowing that Sezer is unlikely to burn them if he dummies and goes himself.
Similar can be said for Bateman with defensive workload and slow play the balls. You are right that he is not the explosive athlete of other clubs. But he still offers something different. How many backrowers could have created the try he did for Tupou yesterday?
 
The Chad said:
Don't know.

How many players suffer 3 knee reconstructions?

List the guys that have suffered this fate & let's see how they went.
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Kyle Stanley retired after his 5th. He did comeback and make it into the Samoan team (admittedly that team wasn't what it is now) after his 4th. Sam Mckendry, Tatau Moga, Slade Giffin i think all would have had 3 and made it back to first grade. Not sure any returned to be the player they once were but none were ever really superstars.
 
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gregjm87 said:
Kyle Stanley retired after his 5th. He did comeback and make it into the Samoan team (admittedly that team wasn't what it is now) after his 4th. Sam Mckendry, Tatau Moga, Slade Giffin i think all would have had 3 and made it back to first grade. Not sure any returned to be the player they once were but none were ever really superstars.
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Moga could have been anything without the injuries.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
Moga could have been anything without the injuries.
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maybe. He was certainly far more agile before his injuries but he was also much lighter as he was still developing. Would he have lost that agility anyway?
Many years ago i read a journal article about the injury rate of young power athletes (American article that spoke of NFL, la Cross and Rugby). The premise was that developing bodies build muscle before it builds the ligament, tendon and bone structure to accommodate the forces of the extra muscle and too much stress during this intermediary phase was leading to higher injury rates.
It was basically pushing for limitation in playing/training time for younger athletes. Probably not possible to limit this in Australia (not that i believe they do in US) as there is no collegial system between school and professional levels. But i have watched with interest how many superstar juniors have been labelled as injury prone early in their careers to then come out the other side and have stellar first grade careers. It is why i always believed Blore would come good.
Sorry, a little off topic but i found the article fascinating and certainly believe it applies to NRL.
 
gregjm87 said:
There was an earlier post about Papalii. How can you expect him to be the explosive hole runner when he is making 40+ tackles a game. Why he is making so many tackles should be analysed, be it one or a combination of the reasons put forth already; lazy middles, Papallii designated defensive role, being targeted by opposition in order to blunt his attack etc.
Additionally, many have identified slow play the balls/not winning the ruck. It matters. Halves need the time to execute their play and the ball runner needs that front foot footy to overpower an equally strong defender.
Finally, Sezer (previously Wakeham) is not a running threat. Defenders can aim up on Papallii knowing that Sezer is unlikely to burn them if he dummies and goes himself.
Similar can be said for Bateman with defensive workload and slow play the balls. You are right that he is not the explosive athlete of other clubs. But he still offers something different. How many backrowers could have created the try he did for Tupou yesterday?
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That is some good constructive analysis 👍
I believe a player who plays on an edge and earns 750k per season or more, should be coming up with at least one line break and/or line break assist every game.
So I agree Bateman finally met that criteria yesterday for virtually the first time this season, now needs to limit his mistakes and missed tackles that come with it.
 
Vicious said:
That is some good constructive analysis 👍
I believe a player who plays on an edge and earns 750k per season or more, should be coming up with at least one line break and/or line break assist every game.
So I agree Bateman finally met that criteria yesterday for virtually the first time this season, now needs to limit his mistakes and missed tackles that come with it.
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fair but i dont believe either is earning 750k+ per season?
 
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GNR4LIFE said:
Ain’t no way Bateman is on 750K. Ice is only on 600.
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We are talking about a Sheenius signing.
If the figure is correct it means the Bulldogs ended up with Kikau and we ended uk with Bateman, I know who I would prefer.
 
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