Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon shot, bystander dead - assassination attempt

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weststigers said:
Purged Strasserists...he saw them as Marxist, not socialist. Hitler made a clear distinction in his writings between the two...you've oversimplified a very complicated and unique ideology the man had.

The Chinese state is the closest we have to it now. They call themselves communist, but they allow the people to own the means of production. The key distinction is the CCP can and will either take production for the state when and if required or enforce state production when and if required. Why? Socialise the gains of capitalism through taxes or production if required, but privatise the losses. This is directly from Hitler's playbook.

You still can't point to a policy that is "right wing". You have only pointed to purges which a cursory glance at a history book will make the same distinction of the group he targeted. He targeted the threat within his own party. Not the ideology.
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Mate I don't have to waste time doing that. Any sane person puts Hitler on the far right. Only a nutter with an agenda would try to argue otherwise. Life's too short to argue with nuttier.
 
jirskyr said:
Dude even Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's own people said there was nothing credible. What did he lose, 60 of 62 court cases?
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He even admitted privately that he could never publicly admit defeat. After the way he talked Biden so much, how could he without making himself look incompetent.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
He even admitted privately that he could never publicly admit defeat. After the way he talked Biden so much, how could he without making himself look incompetent.
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Yes he backed himself into a corner and didn’t have an exit strategy. The bloke was a greenhorn politician.
That is not refusing to leave office, it’s not knowing what the hell to do.
 
Wearyfan22 said:
Hitler executed homosexuals, he was extremely patriarchial believing women had no role in public life, he destroyed art portraying anything remotely expressive or progressive, outlawed prostitution. These are all socially conservative and would be classed as traditonal- even for the time.

I dont believe I am conflating the two. They cant be separated in this case. He believed the reason Germans had moved so far from traditional values was because of intermixing races and moving from the purity of aryanism. His brand of racism was absolutely rooted in a twisted conservatism. Im aware Stalin utopia was horrendous, im far from the raging leftie you seem to think I am.

Words change in meaning over time. I dont think that is a radical take. Gay is used in an entirely different context to how it used to be understood. The terms left and right are changed because of the general ideologies that have been attached to them over time, mainly over the 20th century.

Anyway, im sure theres some middle ground somewhere. I think it is misleading to call Hitler left wing, but accept by some measures he is. By others he is not. Complex guy, not easy to pin down.
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- Execution of homosexuals is not "right wing".

- The nuclear family is not "extreme". Australia is in the minority when it comes to how we deal with family values. Even you have one. Family, and family roles are still incredibly important across the world. Is all of Asia right wing? All of the mediterranean? who else are you going to tar with this extremist brush? It was not illegal for a woman to work. Protecting and providing for the family is a mans job first and foremost. If the woman wants to work then that's fine, but the man has no choice in the matter. It's unlikely a woman will stay around very long if she is the protector and provider. Try it and see for yourself.

- Destroying art is socially conservative? Yes...Hitler despised anything that came out of the Weimar period...including its art, but to say that is a right wing policy is dishonest. Stalin also controlled art. Does that now make him right wing? The only ones destroying anything have been leftists. Mao, Kim Jong Un...BLM....Just stop oil.

- "I dont believe I am conflating the two. They cant be separated in this case. He believed the reason Germans had moved so far from traditional values was because of intermixing races and moving from the purity of aryanism. His brand of racism was absolutely rooted in a twisted conservatism. Im aware Stalin utopia was horrendous, im far from the raging leftie you seem to think I am."

My point is, why is racism rooted in conservatism? It's simply not the case. Was Stalins racism rooted in liberalism? Your argument doesn't stack up. His reasons for hating the Jews were he blamed the Jews for stabbing the country in the back during the first world war...he then blamed the Jews for everything that was wrong with the world and Germany was weak because of them turning on Germany. He held a view there was a Jewish consipracy for world dominance and they would use any means necessary including communism or capitalism. He despised both capitalism and communism. His racial views were that Germany could not be strong unless the people were pure...he also got rid of people with mental illness, hereditary diseases etc. within the Germanic race. You need to get a broader understanding of his views...not a glance on wiki or remembering what your 10th grade history teacher said.
 
All all I can say is America had no wars started,economy was booming and unemployment was low under Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon...
Compared to what we see now with murders illigal immigrants flooding the country and a high inflation rate,indicting the political opponents and now an assassination attempt on a previous President .
They sure have a fantastic country to raise the children in..
 
weststigers said:
It's funny...the minute I push back on you, you don't want to "waste your time" and I'm a "nutter".

You simply cannot substantiate your position.

Piss weak.
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Nah I'm fine mate. You believe what you want. Rational people can make their own judgement. I'm normally prepared to debate points with people. I'm not wasting time proving an understood fact.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
Something else dawned on me too. It’s always the anti-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon brigade that are always being asked to justify the calls of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon being a dictator and that he is Hitler etc. What I’m curious about is whether they actually swallow Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon’s BS about how if Biden wins, it’s the end of the world. Cos I gotta say, we heard that messaging in 2020, and the world is still chugging along just fine. If he wins, it’s WWIII. Yet he’s already been President for nearly a full term. Why is the next world war taking so long? And just FTR, the world will continue to chug along just fine, regardless who wins in November.
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I think the main concern is that last time Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon got in, his cronies didn't know quite what to do and the regular guardrails of the government remained in place, to stop the train going off the rails. You will recall Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon took months and months to even figure out his appointments etc.

This time around they are much better prepared. There is that manifesto - Project 2025. There are threats of dismantling the FBI, Dept of Justice, Dept of Education. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon already said he wants to sack half the public servants and only hire them back on temp contracts, which is supposedly to weed out the "deep state" he thinks exists in the bureaucracy.

If Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon used all possible mechanisms to attempt to deny the last election, if he becomes commander-in-chief again, what's to stop him using his executive powers to rig or deny the next election? Because that's the way these autocrats operate - they get into power, enjoy it so much, then slowly slowly dismantle or eliminate the threats to their power.

For example Putin has won a whole bunch of phony elections, but did remove himself as President at one point due to the term limits (put his PM in and became PM himself), before simply removing the term limits altogether. Likewise Xi has removed his own term limits and ruthlessly cut out his opponents within his party. Viktor Orban has gone after his political opponents, worked on press freedoms, influenced the courts.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has already stacked the Supreme Court in his favour, what odds he continues to do so, then if he does something potentially "unconstitutional" he gets a ruling from the SC in his favour?

That's something you simply don't have to worry about if a Democrat comes to power next term. It's not something America had to previously worry about many of the Republican candidates either (maybe Nixon excluded), as if Reagan or Bush would have refused to leave office.
 
Yossarian said:
Mate I don't have to waste time doing that. Any sane person puts Hitler on the far right. Only a nutter with an agenda would try to argue otherwise. Life's too short to argue with nuttier.
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Also, I think it doesn't matter exactly what Hitler was or was not?
 
Tucker said:
Yes he backed himself into a corner and didn’t have an exit strategy. The bloke was a greenhorn politician.
That is not refusing to leave office, it’s not knowing what the hell to do.
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Maybe he did back himself into a corner and didn't have an exit strategy. He called out Joe Biden as pretty much an idiot, got beaten by him, would have been pretty embarrassing. However, his response was fake electors, "kill Mike Pence" and coercing state's to find him the votes to stay in office. Yes he was trying to stay President
 
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