Stefano Utoikamanu #241

[pawsandclaws1]

Who Cares let him go, We had the chance to do a deal with Panthers and do a player swap but we were not keen.

get Pole resigned to long term deal.

I'd like them both re-signed.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Old Bumble Bee Head it again, everyone said he would come in with a late offer.

I think WTs will have the Dogs covered. The issue is whether Utoikamanu has the drive to lead our young pack and become our JWH.

 

[Robbie's Love Child]

If he’s a dud, why does Bellamy want him ?
You don’t have to be a genius to see what big Stef is capable of, very hard when playing with half a team of imposters every week.

He is a pea heart, if he was premium he would produce every week regardless of those around him, like elite players do. He is one of the imposters in the team, he is capable of strong performances but he doesn't have the heart to produce them. Good riddance.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

I can answer that. No. He can't P & Claws

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

He is a pea heart, if he was premium he would produce every week regardless of those around him, like elite players do. He is one of the imposters in the team, he is capable of strong performances but he doesn't have the heart to produce them. Good riddance.

Same age as Haas

 

[BZN]

It's interesting Hal.
I've thought that for a while too.

Is it that we can't develop players? I'm not so sure.
Maybe there is an alternative perspective. A sad run of poor decisions, mismanagement and bad luck. Very bad luck.

• Maybe we recruited poorly, particularly in players that were past their prime and were never going to develop further.
• Maybe we invested long term in trying to develop players that never reached their potential.
• Maybe in the earlier parts of the decade we couldn't retain star players like Teddy and Moses, due to our losing culture, lack of foresight and poor salary cap management ( ie vs our ability to develop).
• Maybe we simply haven't had good enough juniors come through.

Remember, during this decade of disaster, we have had some accomplished coaches. Say what we want about Cleary, Maguire and Sheens - they are renowned for development and are no slouches.

In the last 10 years, I'd argue that we simply haven't had the quality of cattle to develop, or mount an effective challenge. Note that with the exception of Teddy and Moses, not a single one of the many players who have left WT were developed into world beaters by their other clubs (JAC was only with us for one season).

Given this context, saying our coaching team can't develop players might be an all too often and easily stated tag, one which is perhaps brandished unfairly.

A well written and thoughtful post bigsiro 🙂.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Well thought out.. but inaccurate. Cleary gave up hope the other 2 didn't. With all due respect...

 

[innsaneink]

He is a pea heart, if he was premium he would produce every week regardless of those around him, like elite players do. He is one of the imposters in the team, he is capable of strong performances but he doesn't have the heart to produce them. Good riddance.

We allow this sort of attitude at Concord

It doesn't happen at Penrith Bondi or Melbourne

 

[hank37w]

Have to agree with Gordy on this one:

Mystery club in race to sign Tigers wantaway revealed as $4m bidding war explodes

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Yeah, heard what Gordy had to say last night and tend to agree with him and hope that it proves to be right in the long run.

My guess is that he's got it right and he got the good oil from Wobbie. 🤣 🤞

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Exactly. So why not go to a good team.

 

[hank37w]

Bit of an over reaction mate.

Stef was a Paramatta Junior.

I bet you $100 that Galvin and Pole will be long term tigers.

The Bateman situation whilst unique, is what they do in European soccer. Send an out of form player to another league to find some form and come back ---- or transfer them out...

Can't we take the last option and just transfer him out for good and be done with it?

Maybe he should be playing soccer, the guy is a dribbler. 🤣

 

[BZN]

Agee with your previous post and part of this that the repeated poor decision making was down to incompetence. But only in regards to picking dud players.
I disagree that the coaches we continuously picked have been duds.
When we hired them:
-Benji was a punt and it’s too early to call him a dud.
-Maguire was not a dud.
-Cleary was not a dud.
-Jason Taylor came with a solid resume of assistant coaching. He didn’t work out and we got rid fairly quick. He ended up being a dud, but at the time was an educated punt.
-Potter was never given a proper chance.
-Sheens was not a dud.

WOW!!! You can go to the top of the class bigsiro.
2 excellent posts in a row.

 

[mtd#2]

When are expecting news on stefano?

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

If he were staying with us... already....

 

[Tiger_Yoshi]

When are expecting news on stefano?

As soon as Gus has his signature

 

[DrewPeacock]

reported now on DT that Dogs have entered the race for Stef

Canterbury has joined the elite race for Wests Tigers giant Stefano Utoikamanu.
The Bulldogs haven’t yet tabled an offer for the former NSW star but interest at Belmore is high.
There is a belief that Canterbury coach Cameron Ciraldo can extract the best from Utoikamanu.
The Bulldogs have kept talks with Utoikamanus secret – until now.
Utoikamanu is unlikely to remain at Wests Tigers from next year.
Melbourne Storm and the Dolphins are also interested (see below).
Canterbury wants to hold further talks to determine whether Utoikamanu has a genuine interest in moving to Belmore.
Utoikamanu is unlikely to sign with the Dolphins after previously being linked with Canberra at St George Illawarra.
It now appears a two-club race between the Bulldogs and Storm.
Bulldogs general manager Phil Gould is a known master in negotiating.

 

[hank37w]

I would suggest they try to change this perception… I think that’s why they got Richo in … to be fair to him… he has inherited this team and it will take longer than 7 months to change … even took Gould 4-5 years to get the Dogs to mid table..

Gould has been at the Dogs just on 3 years, he was at the Warriors for a while after departing Penrith.

His 5 year plan at Penrith took a few years longer than that because he was there for about 8 years and left a couple of years before they won a title.

They have had their greatest successes since he has left, though you would have to give him credit for things that he put in place while he was there.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

With that bank account.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Canterbury has joined the elite race for Wests Tigers giant Stefano Utoikamanu.
The Bulldogs haven’t yet tabled an offer for the former NSW star but interest at Belmore is high.
There is a belief that Canterbury coach Cameron Ciraldo can extract the best from Utoikamanu.
The Bulldogs have kept talks with Utoikamanus secret – until now.
Utoikamanu is unlikely to remain at Wests Tigers from next year.
Melbourne Storm and the Dolphins are also interested (see below).
Canterbury wants to hold further talks to determine whether Utoikamanu has a genuine interest in moving to Belmore.
Utoikamanu is unlikely to sign with the Dolphins after previously being linked with Canberra at St George Illawarra.
It now appears a two-club race between the Bulldogs and Storm.
Bulldogs general manager Phil Gould is a known master in negotiating.

And Bellamy a known master in guiding players to.their potential plating finals football every year whilst he's been their.

 

[Tom Shines]

Gould has been at the Dogs just on 3 years, he was at the Warriors for a while after departing Penrith.

His 5 year plan at Penrith took a few years longer than that because he was there for about 8 years and left a couple of years before they won a title.

They have had their greatest successes since he has left, though you would have to give him credit for things that he put in place while he was there.

Ah ok… thought it was longer than that …

still ..my point remains that Richo needs a bit more time if you want to be fair… Richo is starting off with even more issues than Gould faced at Dogs or Penrith