Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[batboy]

I remember when Penrith moved RCG, DWZ and Waga Blake on to new clubs mid season costing them around 300k a season for the remainder of their contracts. (Roughly 3 more years).
That kind of money of the 2019 cap would equate to almost 600k on next years cap.
Anyway it didn’t seem to impact them in either ongoing retention of preferred players OR recruitment (API, Capewell, Tetevano) joined not long after..
Trust the process?

I remember that window of time for Penrith as well....
I also remember that we've been at it since about 2012!!

Whatever the process is - It's taking WT's much (much) Longer.

 

[bptiger 0]

Much like Klemmer, Bateman has a number of people on this forum who will only see the negative. I get it- he's a polarizing personality, and apparently we should feel aggrieved by the money someone other than ourselves pays him. 🙂

Porter is the perfect KOE type player. Works hard & will always be genuine in his effort. Bateman is just a better player.

That said, if he doesn't want to be here, it's absolutely best for the club to move him on. We don't want prisoners, we want volunteers.

Replacing Bateman will require another defender that can take on attacking players without the help of 12 mates to bring the runner to ground. This was where Bateman was good. He's a surprisingly strong player & didn't need half the defence to assist him in taking down a runner.

I would assume the club has options in mind if Bateman does move on.

Really , well I don’t think hunt and bird cover Stepo and ice , and the fact we have not heard any more likely recruits, makes me wonder could we replace Bateman or KLEMMER , if we don’t get 3 more forwards we are stuffed , and that’s without Bateman or KLEMMER leaving

 

[jadtiger]

I remember that window of time for Penrith as well....
I also remember that we've been at it since about 2012!!

Whatever the process is - It's taking WT's much (much) Longer.

Most of our failures i put on the board and the people that they appoint to positions of power.We have still yet to see what the changes at the end of 2023 have made (too late to change our direction for 2024 when it was made).
I must admit however that still having Dennis and Julie in positions of power worries me no end

 

[Mccarry]

Spoken by someone who’s clearly never been married

I did chuckle at this...

Then I remembered the 3 years I lived in Africa and experienced society without marriage embedded in specific cultural/ethnic groups. Man that was eye opening. Specially how important marriage is in regulating the behavior of young men.

 

[HowDugWT]

I am not going to sugar coat it. I hate John Bateman, He is the exact person the tigers don't need atm
Big money, big ego yet he doesn't perform. Honestly he has provided nothing positive since coming to the tigers and I couldn't care less if he left even if he performed after being let go.
He needs to be shown the door asap.

I prefer Porter

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

I can come up with some theories & my latest is Bateman & Naden to Manly.

1 - Generational talent Large (akin to a Top 4 AFL draft pick so has high value IMO) released to Manly.
2 - Bateman managed by Isaac Moses, Seibold’s manager.
3 - Bateman recruited to WT by Sheens & Warren Macdonnell. WMac now Manly’s recuitment manager.
4 - Manly could use another backrower.
5 - Naden recruited by WMac to WT too. Would be good depth there.

Who is with me?

I did suggest this a few weeks ago. Hopefully there is something in today's reports & Kade's post.

 

[kade7]

nothing on millar, i have heard the same smoke that you probably all have

media reporting manly are the only team interested are off , souths / parramatta / manly all have had a sniff

 

[KCtiger]

nothing on millar, i have heard the same smoke that you probably all have

media reporting manly are the only team interested are off , souths / parramatta / manly all have had a sniff

Do you think we will let him go?

 

[The Chad]

Really , well I don’t think hunt and bird cover Stepo and ice , and the fact we have not heard any more likely recruits, makes me wonder could we replace Bateman or KLEMMER , if we don’t get 3 more forwards we are stuffed , and that’s without Bateman or KLEMMER leaving

I've been saying it- I think the replacements have to come from within first. Pole, Sione Fainu...one of these guys has to replace Utoikamanu.

Hunt then replaces one of them on the bench.

I don't think Pole was very far off what Utoikamanu gave us last year. And, he should improve. Sione Fainu showed nice improvement too. Hopefully he might hit Pole-like targets next season.

The development of guys at the club seems to be forgotten in the rush to sign from elsewhere.

I'd be surprised if there is really any more than 1 significant outside acquisition left. I'd say Pole, Fainu, Seyfarth, Twal, Johannssen, Lualili'i, Fa'agutu & Miller will have more expectation to contribute.

 

[tigermate]

we released him early to Manly when we could've easily just kept him and made things difficult. we've overseen a lot of his development to this point. despite the fact that he's yet to play first grade and far from the finished article, right now he's a blue chip stock.

bit of we scratched your back, time to scratch ours.

lol. Maybe

I just can’t see how manly would do that when the trade is already done

Same time yes… now, why?

Like when we released moses to Parra and then after we asked of Steff could be released early and they said no- lol

 

[just old magpie]

Much like Klemmer, Bateman has a number of people on this forum who will only see the negative. I get it- he's a polarizing personality, and apparently we should feel aggrieved by the money someone other than ourselves pays him. 🙂

Porter is the perfect KOE type player. Works hard & will always be genuine in his effort. Bateman is just a better player.

That said, if he doesn't want to be here, it's absolutely best for the club to move him on. We don't want prisoners, we want volunteers.

Replacing Bateman will require another defender that can take on attacking players without the help of 12 mates to bring the runner to ground. This was where Bateman was good. He's a surprisingly strong player & didn't need half the defence to assist him in taking down a runner.

I would assume the club has options in mind if Bateman does move on.

You blokes must look at Bateman through Rose coloured glasses give me Porter any day.

 

[WesternSuburbsBoy]

My only thing with Bateman is we need as much experience as we can get & letting someone like him go with a bunch of young guys in our top 30 isn’t exactly ideal. Although sounds like the situation with Richo/Benji is untenable considering his comments in the DT the other day.

 

[2041]

You only read half of my comment....
Nothings - like.... Tumeth are costing close to 200k.

So, Effectively - It's costing 400k to replace Bateman with a Tumeth.
Better to pay Bateman 600k.
Get rid of Tumeth and Matamua.

Don't get me wrong, Bateman is well past his best, and not doing his job....
But paying 200k+ to move him on is half the problem.
Replacing him for the remainder of his contract value is the problem (The biggest part of the Problem)

The fact that there are other bad players on the roster is completely irrelevant. Getting rid of Bateman frees up a place on the roster and, potentially, 450k. If the club can't find a way to spend that 450k on a better player than Bateman then sure, arguably we might as well keep him. But
(a) I'm pretty comfortable that we can find, even at this stage of the off-season, a way to spend 450k and get a better footballer than John f-ing Bateman, and
(b) given he's absolute poison within the club there just isn't any valid reason to keep him around. I think one could actually make a reasonably plausible case that the roster spot he'd free up and the positive side of not having him around are worth paying all his salary to get rid of him.
To be honest, I suspect you're guilty of making a common mistake, which is imagining a player can somehow become what he was five or so years ago even after demonstrating over and over again that he's past it. There were people on here insisting that James Roberts could still be a great player if we "got him some early ball" or something they'd heard on commentary. Face facts: Bateman is a hasbeen and if we can get any of his salary paid and his roster spot back we should jump at the chance.

 

[balmain boy]

we released him early to Manly when we could've easily just kept him and made things difficult. we've overseen a lot of his development to this point. despite the fact that he's yet to play first grade and far from the finished article, right now he's a blue chip stock.

bit of we scratched your back, time to scratch ours.

If we wanted to do this we had to hold off on releasing Large until they agreed to take Bateman.

It's basic stuff. We had the leverage , something they really want, if they want it that bad we force them to take someone we don't want.

If we've already given them what they want then they're under no obligation to do anything we ask.

Negotiation 101, we couldn't have possibly fumbled this that bad.

 

[bptiger 0]

I've been saying it- I think the replacements have to come from within first. Pole, Sione Fainu...one of these guys has to replace Utoikamanu.

Hunt then replaces one of them on the bench.

I don't think Pole was very far off what Utoikamanu gave us last year. And, he should improve. Sione Fainu showed nice improvement too. Hopefully he might hit Pole-like targets next season.

The development of guys at the club seems to be forgotten in the rush to sign from elsewhere.

I'd be surprised if there is really any more than 1 significant outside acquisition left. I'd say Pole, Fainu, Seyfarth, Twal, Johannssen, Lualili'i, Fa'agutu & Miller will have more expectation to contribute.

Ur right those players could replace them , but who replaces them , u don’t look at the big picture, u need 10 good forwards , and let’s face it we don’t have that now and without 3 more class recruits, we can’t improve

 

[The Chad]

Ur right those players could replace them , but who replaces them , u don’t look at the big picture, u need 10 good forwards , and let’s face it we don’t have that now and without 3 more class recruits, we can’t improve

Ur right those players could replace them , but who replaces them , u don’t look at the big picture, u need 10 good forwards , and let’s face it we don’t have that now and without 3 more class recruits, we can’t improve

Pole takes Utoikamanu's spot
Koroisau
Klemmer
Sam Fainu
Seyfarth takes Bateman's spot
Bird takes Papali'i's spot

Sione Fainu takes Pole's numbers (game time)
Hunt takes Sione Fainu's numbers (game time)
Twal
Da Silva


What we now need is Miller, Fa'agutu, Kit Lualili'i, Matamua, Johannssen & Sukkar to start pushing to take reps away from Twal.

I'm sure I'm about to hear how terrible this pack is going to be. But the same people telling me this, are the same one's telling me how rubbish Utoikamanu, Bateman & until Round 20 2024, Papali'i have been.

The step down from 2024 Utoikamanu to 2024 Pole is rather minimal. It wouldn't take MUCH progression for this to be a wash.

Bateman can just be replaced by Porter according to some. I'd argue that Seyfarth is the better option. Regardless, 2024 Bateman to 2024 Seyfarth, if you believe the critics on the forum, is probably an upgrade.

So that leaves the colossus that was Papali'i, who until the tail end of 2024, was in consideration as the worst signing in Tigers history. He's gone & replaced with Bird. Who, for the record, hasn't tried to get out of his contract since signing & is, in fact, leading the charge on pre-season training.

It COULD be argued, our pack is in fact stronger, if we accept the criticism of the players leaving the club.

Sione Fainu will be relied upon to upgrade his game to Pole-level play next season. Unless Royce Hunt takes that role, in which Fainu only need replicate his 2024 output. Twal replaces Seyfarth on the bench. Da Silva is Api's sub.

That's 10 forwards, not including development of the other 6 I named in Johannssen, Miller, Sukkar, Lualili'i, Fa'agutu & Matamua.

 

[Camel2281]

Crazy talk...
Will cost us 200k to get rid of him,
200k to replace him with a reserve grader...

Better to pay him 650k and work on getting something out of him.

Bloke is a cancer. Bad for culture

 

[Camel2281]

Yes the international back rower who's shown nothing but ill discipline, reckless aggression, failed leadership qualities, taking piss weak shots at the club on his Instagram & player interviews & then undermined his Head Coach in front of the playing group.

Don't forget he has an entitlement complex

 

[bptiger 0]

Pole takes Utoikamanu's spot
Koroisau
Klemmer
Sam Fainu
Seyfarth takes Bateman's spot
Bird takes Papali'i's spot

Sione Fainu takes Pole's numbers (game time)
Hunt takes Sione Fainu's numbers (game time)
Twal
Da Silva


What we now need is Miller, Fa'agutu, Kit Lualili'i, Matamua, Johannssen & Sukkar to start pushing to take reps away from Twal.

I'm sure I'm about to hear how terrible this pack is going to be. But the same people telling me this, are the same one's telling me how rubbish Utoikamanu, Bateman & until Round 20 2024, Papali'i have been.

The step down from 2024 Utoikamanu to 2024 Pole is rather minimal. It wouldn't take MUCH progression for this to be a wash.

Bateman can just be replaced by Porter according to some. I'd argue that Seyfarth is the better option. Regardless, 2024 Bateman to 2024 Seyfarth, if you believe the critics on the forum, is probably an upgrade.

So that leaves the colossus that was Papali'i, who until the tail end of 2024, was in consideration as the worst signing in Tigers history. He's gone & replaced with Bird. Who, for the record, hasn't tried to get out of his contract since signing & is, in fact, leading the charge on pre-season training.

It COULD be argued, our pack is in fact stronger, if we accept the criticism of the players leaving the club.

Sione Fainu will be relied upon to upgrade his game to Pole-level play next season. Unless Royce Hunt takes that role, in which Fainu only need replicate his 2024 output. Twal replaces Seyfarth on the bench. Da Silva is Api's sub.

That's 10 forwards, not including development of the other 6 I named in Johannssen, Miller, Sukkar, Lualili'i, Fa'agutu & Matamua.

What a load of crap , we came last with that bunch and had stepho and ice and Bateman , which we don’t have any more , do u really want us to get of the bottom or ur just happy that we are bringing throw kids and still getting that wooden spoon

 

[Demps]

What a load of crap , we came last with that bunch and had stepho and ice and Bateman , which we don’t have any more , do u really want us to get of the bottom or ur just happy that we are bringing throw kids and still getting that wooden spoon

We've added:
Jarome Luai
Sunia Turuva
Jack Bird
Jeral Skelton
Royce Hunt