Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[weststigers]

If that’s true, that is idiotic by the club. Yes I get it, he was accused of a serious crime but he has been cleared of that by the courts. Whether you agree with it or not, the world and rugby league moves on.

He’s been out of the game for a year, but so have players who have had ACL or other serious injuries, and injuries take more time to get back to full strength. We also have his brother at the club who is a key player who constantly speaks about how important his family is.

Unfortunately this seems to be too much of a business approach and lacks a human and man management approach which is essential in todays game with todays players.

You need to find a balance as a club. Either take a hard stance and say no to Taylan up front and not even entertain signing him. Or if you are entertaining singing him, show it the respect it deserves and back him as a player you show value in (this doesn’t stop you from offering him a reduced rate and shorter term contact or adding behavioural clauses). But to offer a NSW cup player to a guy who, let’s be honest is a better player than at least 10 players in our top 30 is fairly disrespectful (putting his legal troubles aside). Let’s remember this is a player who a 4 time premiership winning club in Penrith was eager to retain over many other well respect and talent players.

If people are being honest, we’ve [This word has been automatically removed]ed up here. This has to potential to not only miss out on Taylan but also create disfunction with Terrell. We would have been better off not even perusing Taylan if this is true. We’ve just created the opportunity for animosity with a key squad member when we didn’t even really need to. That’s just my opinion.

I think the comparisons you make are not apples for apples. Injured players come back under the guidance of the club and continue to train in some capacity. Taylan has not trained with a club at all. The truth is, no one knows how he will return as a player.

On behavioural clauses - No one needs behavioural clauses - these things that you would want in his contract are grounds for immediate dismissal anyway. No need for a clause. What would you put in there anyway? How would you define it? There are catch all clauses that cover behaviour in all employment contracts. Look at your own employment contract. I'm willing to bet if you punched someone on the street and they identified you as working for your company, there is some clause allowing them to terminate you without specifically having to say you are not allowed to commit violence in a clause.

Lastly and most importantly, these poor bastards in our current squad have busted their ass in pre-season, won 2 games and narrowly lost 1 and some prick is going to demand a spot in firsts without any form to his name? What would you say if the coach dropped you for a guy that hasn't played in a year and the team has been winning?

Either way, it is a risk for the club, however with spots open, you'd think it was a wink wink nudge nudge from the club to say, mate...show us you're serious. Show us you've still got it and show us you can stay out of trouble until the dust blows over and one of those spots is going to be yours. By June 30, he would have been on a full NRL contract (form permitting). If he is too short sighted to see that, then he is too far up his own ass and better he demands a first grade spot elsewhere.

I want to sign him, he needs to offer some good will - not come in making the big demands so early in the piece.

 

[crazycat]

No surprise Brooks won't be offered another contract, that was our clubs grandest mistake.

I actually think that's a huge surprise.

If Brooks wasn't there to be DCE's understudy. ... Then why is he there?

I mean sure, as a Halfback... Brooks makes a good 5/8. ...

DCE leaving, do you punt the person who has been learning from him? Probably yes, because LB.

Manly may be putting a lot of faith in Oritoni Large very soon.

 

[lathami]

taylan was offered a nsw cup deal for this year and an upgrade to the top 30 next year

believe its why it has broken down

Dumb ass move if true. We have like 2 top 30 spots available! Who are we keeping these for?? Just don’t get it, I could understand if we had a great top 30 full of top class players. But we don’t, stupid!!

 

[Roar_Power]

taylan was offered a nsw cup deal for this year and an upgrade to the top 30 next year

believe its why it has broken down

Dumb ass move if true. We have like 2 top 30 spots available! Who are we keeping these for?? Just don’t get it, I could understand if we had a great top 30 full of top class players. But we don’t, stupid!!

I think a NSW Cup contract makes complete sense. We have two available spots and need a 2nd rower and prop. Olam is no certainty to be medically retired. They are guaranteeing Taylan a top 30 spot next year when the likes of Feledy can be moved on.

 

[crazycat]

What were Manly thinking?!

They've let DCE, Fainu and Humphries go. Surely they've got a replacement lined up already, just like the Roosters did.

Onitoni large comes to mind.

Joey Walsh is also on their books.
I suspect Manly are thinking of forgetting Brooks and just go two very young halves. LB could also move to hooker Ben Hunt style which might actually suit him.
DCE is something special and I would be wanting him to be working with the next gen as much as possible, even if he is leaving.

The question is can Siebold manage a team and train 2x young halves. I honestly doubt it.

 

[crazycat]

I think a NSW Cup contract makes complete sense. We have two available spots and need a 2nd rower and prop. Olam is no certainty to be medically retired. They are guaranteeing Taylan a top 30 spot next year when the likes of Feledy can be moved on.

It makes complete sense to the accountants.
It makes no sense to anyone else.

Are we going to be a club treating players like comodities? things we buy off the shelf?

Or do we treat them like people?


I suspect the real reason is that maybe we don't want Taylan May. Yes he is a good player, but he may disrupt our entire playing group. He does have attitude...

 

[Buttface]

It makes complete sense to the accountants.
It makes no sense to anyone else.

Are we going to be a club treating players like comodities? things we buy off the shelf?

Or do we treat them like people?


I suspect the real reason is that maybe we don't want Taylan May. Yes he is a good player, but he may disrupt our entire playing group. He does have attitude...

Yeah, we travelling nicely, I don’t want any disruptions, we aren’t resilient enough yet.
But I do want a good centre. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Tom Shines]

I suspect the real reason is that maybe we don't want Taylan May. Yes he is a good player, but he may disrupt our entire playing group. He does have attitude...

If they have concerns about him “ disrupting the playing group” then it would make zero sense to offer him any type of deal….they no doubt know him better than anyone posting in this thread, but the playing group seems strong and they have his brother there who seems to have a good head on his shoulders wih his work on and off the field … if they still don’t think they can keep him in line, then make no offer to him and onto the next …

 

[Roar_Power]

It makes complete sense to the accountants.
It makes no sense to anyone else.

Are we going to be a club treating players like comodities? things we buy off the shelf?

Or do we treat them like people?


I suspect the real reason is that maybe we don't want Taylan May. Yes he is a good player, but he may disrupt our entire playing group. He does have attitude...

Well I'm not an accountant and it makes complete sense to me.

It's called maintaining a balanced squad. Olam is still there.

Are you saying WT aren't treating Taylan like a person because he has been offered a Cup contract? Keeping in mind he has been out of the game for a year and likely needs 6-8 months in reggies to get his timing etc back....

 

[JC99]

If true re: Taylan May, that's very dumb from the club

If we don't sign him, another club will come along and offer him a top 30 spot...

 

[boonboon]

I think what people forget is that Taylan May has only played 8 games since 2022. He didn't play at all in 2023, played 8 games in 2024 and hasn't played since. So 8 games since the 2022 grand final vs the Eels.

 

[rihannafan1]

Onitoni large comes to mind.

Joey Walsh is also on their books.
I suspect Manly are thinking of forgetting Brooks and just go two very young halves. LB could also move to hooker Ben Hunt style which might actually suit him.
DCE is something special and I would be wanting him to be working with the next gen as much as possible, even if he is leaving.

The question is can Siebold manage a team and train 2x young halves. I honestly doubt it.

It could be. Walsh and Large are years off from what I have seen and that's why you keep DCE, so they can come through. I think DCE and Manly are both lying and have both had other plans for a little while.

Seibold...like most others would struggle with a rebuild and coupled with Isaac Moses, I just don't see it. How many coaches could do that without a great organisation around them? You need juniors pathways, shrewd cap management and recruitment.

 

[Tony Taco]

Yeah, we travelling nicely, I don’t want any disruptions, we aren’t resilient enough yet.
But I do want a good centre. 🤷‍♂️

Good points. Cant afford any drama when weve had a positive and encouraging start to the season.
Maybe they wait until the Olam info comes back and make a committed decision... We do need a strike centre as you said and the kid can play.
Also wouldnt want to be making things uneasy for big T, hes killing for us.

 

[JB9918]

taylan was offered a nsw cup deal for this year and an upgrade to the top 30 next year

believe its why it has broken down

Correct decision by the club.

We have backs depth this year in Staines, Faataape, Naden, L Luailli & Olam...

Give him time to train & find his feet.

We need to work out who we re-sign past this year.

We have the advantage of having his brother & being on the up with Api, Luai, Turuva as ex Panthers plus Skelton & Hunt are Samoan.

We need prioritise back rowers & middles for depth this year.

The competition is wide open. We do have a chance of finals looking at our draw.

 

[loklok]

Correct decision by the club.

We have backs depth this year in Staines, Faataape, Naden, L Luailli & Olam...

Give him time to train & find his feet.

We need to work out who we re-sign past this year.

We have the advantage of having his brother & being on the up with Api, Luai, Turuva as ex Panthers plus Skelton & Hunt are Samoan.

We need prioritise back rowers & middles for depth this year.

The competition is wide open. We do have a chance of finals looking at our draw.

I think from 4th to 12th on the ladder by end of year it will close

 

[Betterdays22]

I think the comparisons you make are not apples for apples. Injured players come back under the guidance of the club and continue to train in some capacity. Taylan has not trained with a club at all. The truth is, no one knows how he will return as a player.

On behavioural clauses - No one needs behavioural clauses - these things that you would want in his contract are grounds for immediate dismissal anyway. No need for a clause. What would you put in there anyway? How would you define it? There are catch all clauses that cover behaviour in all employment contracts. Look at your own employment contract. I'm willing to bet if you punched someone on the street and they identified you as working for your company, there is some clause allowing them to terminate you without specifically having to say you are not allowed to commit violence in a clause.

Lastly and most importantly, these poor bastards in our current squad have busted their ass in pre-season, won 2 games and narrowly lost 1 and some prick is going to demand a spot in firsts without any form to his name? What would you say if the coach dropped you for a guy that hasn't played in a year and the team has been winning?

Either way, it is a risk for the club, however with spots open, you'd think it was a wink wink nudge nudge from the club to say, mate...show us you're serious. Show us you've still got it and show us you can stay out of trouble until the dust blows over and one of those spots is going to be yours. By June 30, he would have been on a full NRL contract (form permitting). If he is too short sighted to see that, then he is too far up his own ass and better he demands a first grade spot elsewhere.

I want to sign him, he needs to offer some good will - not come in making the big demands so early in the piece.

Great post. This is how team/club culture is built. May needs to show he can buy in, the money will come down the track.

 

[lathami]

Well I'm not an accountant and it makes complete sense to me.

It's called maintaining a balanced squad. Olam is still there.

Are you saying WT aren't treating Taylan like a person because he has been offered a Cup contract? Keeping in mind he has been out of the game for a year and likely needs 6-8 months in reggies to get his timing etc back....

Rubbish 6-8 months, players come back to form sooner after an acl. Please.
He is a centre/winger, No a forward.

 

[bptiger 0]

Watching Jamie Humprhies play like this would make DCE walking out sting a lot more.

The reason he left was because of DCE and being stuck behind him.

3 rounds into the year DCE announces he’s leaving.

Devastating stuff

For a club that raids other clubs and has more tiger players , losing DCE is wonderful news , they really think they are above all the other teams

 

[bptiger 0]

Correct decision by the club.

We have backs depth this year in Staines, Faataape, Naden, L Luailli & Olam...

Give him time to train & find his feet.

We need to work out who we re-sign past this year.

We have the advantage of having his brother & being on the up with Api, Luai, Turuva as ex Panthers plus Skelton & Hunt are Samoan.

We need prioritise back rowers & middles for depth this year.

The competition is wide open. We do have a chance of finals looking at our draw.

Dumb move , we got a spot and cap just sign the bloke , do we really want to upset his brother, I agree he needs to except a low amount for the rest of the year , and then if he preforms well up grade him to a centres wages

 

[user118245]

Sounds like entitlement from May 8 games since 2022 GF, you’ve had a year long court case and no footy training and you want to waltz back into the league after a DV case, a different club will offer him something