tig_prmz
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Jolls
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I was of the same opinion watching it live on the tele. It appeared like the Warriors were able to delay key rucks without penalty whereas we were being scrutinised less favourably.
PTB speed was the first stat I checked this morning and was surprised at the result.
I think it is probably a bit of fan bias at play.
tig_prmz
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Rugby League is too subjective with the ruck infringements and all that. I think you could get 5 different refs to call the game and you'll get different decisions on a 50-50 tackle.
With experience, players will learn the way a game is going and which boundaries they can push when etc. If your team has just received a penalty for a flop, if you are even slightly late as a third man in for the next 5 minutes, you'll give away a penalty.
I thought Luai's hit would have been a sin-bin for sure, but somehow wasn't
With experience, players will learn the way a game is going and which boundaries they can push when etc. If your team has just received a penalty for a flop, if you are even slightly late as a third man in for the next 5 minutes, you'll give away a penalty.
I thought Luai's hit would have been a sin-bin for sure, but somehow wasn't
Betterdays22
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Do you think that's what was happening? If so could that not be a product of the Warriors simply being bigger and stronger than us?
Got to be honest I am usually the first to get frustrated with the mystery of 6-agains, but I didn't think it was a huge factor yesterday.
Jedi_Tiger
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live at the game the warriors were laying all over us it was bs
Tiger_Yoshi
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Totally…and it is like that every game for us….the refs certainly lay have a bias against the Tigers
innsaneink
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Just a theory, havent watched the whole replay yet and cant hear ref calls at the ground
I think a lot of stats are pointless, merely for supercoach etc..
.i mean passes and ball receipts, wgaf?
Ptb speed....just quickly checked two games...
parra - .2 seconds quicker than manly and lose by 14
Sharks - .3 seconds quicker than dogs = lose by 14
pointless stupid stats
On the warriors being bigger and stronger....we seemd often unable to put their players on the deck....if they dont have to get up to play the ball every time over 80 mins theres a fair bit of juice conserved there....our defence/wrestle still is poor
Mighty_Tiger
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Warriors were flopping, not moving away and putting 3rd men on top all game. The ref allowed the game to run slow which gave the warriors the advantage. It was terrible and noticeably different for them to us during the game.
Also watch Capwell nearly every time he never even motions to play the ball and should’ve been a turn over - the refs are very selective.
Re CNK that was atrocious. It wasn’t a reportable offence and shouldn’t have been a penalty.
At the very least CNK should’ve gone off for HIA. He wasn’t injured and 100% played for the penalty. He was fine instantly once penalty awarded.
The NRL must do a rule change that if players stay down for any head/neck injury they must go off and be covered by the HIA time rules. The diving/playing for a penalty is a joke.
Also watch Capwell nearly every time he never even motions to play the ball and should’ve been a turn over - the refs are very selective.
Re CNK that was atrocious. It wasn’t a reportable offence and shouldn’t have been a penalty.
At the very least CNK should’ve gone off for HIA. He wasn’t injured and 100% played for the penalty. He was fine instantly once penalty awarded.
The NRL must do a rule change that if players stay down for any head/neck injury they must go off and be covered by the HIA time rules. The diving/playing for a penalty is a joke.
Betterdays22
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Watching the game on TV it seemed to me that Warriors physically had an edge over us. Particularly their outside backs and backrowers.
I agree re stats, but there is a place for them. They have less bias than your average punter.
Kelce68
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I can cop a few average calls, it's a game of football afterall.
But the Warriors (as per the Knights in round 1), were getting away with blue murder in the ruck the entire game.
It is clearly a game plan to kill one of our strengths around the ruck with the hookers we have, but the referee had absolutely zero control. It changed the entire contest.
Either the captains, Benji or the players themselves need to kick up a bigger stink intra of post-match, because that's twice that we have been illegally suffocated out of a game that we had every possibility to win.
We lacked punch and roll early because the Warriors players were barely pinged for constant flops, hands on the ball and peeling off one at a time.
It's an absolute farce and ruined the spectacle.
It's another facet we had to try and overcome yesterday, but it should be policed way better. We could've destroyed that side, despite the injuries, if the ruck was handled properly by officials.
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Until all players that lay down for the bunker review are required to go the head bin - if it's a high shot - you can expect this will continue and games maybe won or lost on the back of it There are some players that are serial offenders J Bostock, Damien Cook probably the two that I can almost guarantee do it every game
Kelce68
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No. It's not.
That is another example of a stat not lining up with the feel of the game, ala, the Bulldogs' defence last year despite their missed tackle count.
The eye test around the ruck yesterday was deplorable.
A sub 3.5 second ptb is normally pretty good. NRL.com has us at 3.34s yesterday, which is laughably different to how the game appeared on first viewing.
There is a clear discrepancy as to when the held call is being made and/or how the ruck is being timed.
That is a clear outlier. The Warriors got away with murder yesterday in the ruck, it affected the entire game.
Rock Hopper Steve
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The crap that goes on in the ruck to slow the play the ball down which has crept into the game over time is ruining the game.
There should be a count by the ref and if you are not standing up or rolling away you get pinged and you can't lean on the tackled player to get up either.
There should be a count by the ref and if you are not standing up or rolling away you get pinged and you can't lean on the tackled player to get up either.
Jolls
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I haven't rewatched the game yet. You are right in pointing out that the "eye test" suggested that the Warriors were getting away with a lot. However, the stats and the refereee dont support what we saw.
It really doesn't matter if it was poor officiating or West Tigers bias; the two points are gone.
We need to focus on what we can control. That is our preparation for the game against Brisbane with a new halves combination in Latu and Galvin.
supercoach
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The ref was diabolical BUT we lost the game and had plenty of chances to win the game.
My complaint is the NRL always send their L plate refs to our games, they never send them to a so called glamour club so we get lumbered with a guy who is totally inexperienced and it showed up last night
My complaint is the NRL always send their L plate refs to our games, they never send them to a so called glamour club so we get lumbered with a guy who is totally inexperienced and it showed up last night
watersider
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I'm confused about 'six again' calls. In the set before the Bula no try we got a six again call in goalkicking range. I assume if we knock on in the play the ball or something like that then that would become a full penalty because there was no advantage. Which is weird that only after an error can you have the opportunity to take 2 points. If we were given the full penalty I'd guess we'd have taken a shot at goal at that point and we'd likely have gone 8 points up.
So how does the six again work?
What determines whether it's six again or penalty in goal kicking range?
Should we strategically knock on in that situation to get the full penalty?
A lot of the time a 6 again is very good in those situations because a penalty can really slow the momentum but up by 6 the opportunity to go 8 points up would be huge. Is six again a penalty or now considered a lesser offence and not worthy of a 2 point opportunity? It blurs as well as there is a full penalty given inside a teams 40 and then no similar modification for the opportunity to kick 2 points when on the attack.
Is that right? Has there been much discussion of this issue?
So how does the six again work?
What determines whether it's six again or penalty in goal kicking range?
Should we strategically knock on in that situation to get the full penalty?
A lot of the time a 6 again is very good in those situations because a penalty can really slow the momentum but up by 6 the opportunity to go 8 points up would be huge. Is six again a penalty or now considered a lesser offence and not worthy of a 2 point opportunity? It blurs as well as there is a full penalty given inside a teams 40 and then no similar modification for the opportunity to kick 2 points when on the attack.
Is that right? Has there been much discussion of this issue?
Betterdays22
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I'm as confused as you. I'm pretty sure there are some arbitrary zones where it is a kick penalty or a repeat set. There seems to be an issue when attacking the goal line teams will happily give away repeat sets to allow the line to be set, there is no threat of teams being able to take 2 points.
I'm also pretty unclear on what the threshold is for a repeat set? It has to be the most subjective ruling in world sport. There's too much variability between referees and teams.
It's also getting more and more difficult to counter those huge momentum swings that come from a couple of set restarts.
tig_prmz
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yeh ruck stats are completely pointless IMO.
Warriors had PTB lasting 3 seconds in the last set of the game which would completely ruin the PTB average. A player stays down to milk a penalty and until the ref calls time off, it might still count in the PTB stats.
Looking away from the ruck. May has been invaluable for us, but most of his runs don't have any impact. But sometimes, even when he makes 6m in that run, he may get a quick PTB or he might do a run on the backfoot where no one else would be able to do the run.
Liam Martin to me is one of those guys. He's by far the best backrower for the last 3 years but can't imagine him being even in the top 5 of any stat whatsoever...
innsaneink
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Just while we are on rulings.....what a farce is the scrum/ Shot clock.
Usually its ignored...sometimes it seems its not used at all and others occssionally ends up a penalty
I often see the clock run down on tv and the scrum not fed.
And.is.cambo the only ground that has that stupid robotic 6 to go "ruck.......infringement " announcement.
That was pissing me off last nite as much as 3 seconds of rhcp
Usually its ignored...sometimes it seems its not used at all and others occssionally ends up a penalty
I often see the clock run down on tv and the scrum not fed.
And.is.cambo the only ground that has that stupid robotic 6 to go "ruck.......infringement " announcement.
That was pissing me off last nite as much as 3 seconds of rhcp
Kelce68
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I agree.
That's why I'm not bemoaning calls like the Seyfarth penalty, even though I'd love to. It happens.
But there is a systemic issue that teams are getting away with against (probably not just) us and it is clearly and measurably costing us games. It needs to be addressed asap.
