I have lived in Ingleburn 36 years my area has changed and diversified with many different cultures now living in the area, seen suburbs arise and seen them flourish, and if West Tigers could actually tap into that correctly then we will grow. We do halfhearted promotions in the area but we need to be more active. Realign with the region. Do training out at Narellan, Picton, Liverpool show up, more family day events, have a food market some of the game day at Campbelltown, more school visits, have players help coach local high schools. We have step forward this year but does not mask that lack over the 10-15 years.
The argument for fully embracing the Macarthur as home for the Wests Tigers.
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pawsandclaws1
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Good post. I have always had the view Campbelltown is yesterdays news in terms of expansion of the WTs brand. Narellan, Camden, Picton, the new airport precinct imo offer great opportunities to secure our long term future in the region.
vlad
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Big opportunity to push the south west to the front with Leichhardt closed next year but eventually a completely new stadium in the area will be needed .
Maybe when the WTs win the comp in 2027 some people might give Cambo the Cumberland Oval send off .
Parra have been gifted 2 new stadiums after that
Maybe when the WTs win the comp in 2027 some people might give Cambo the Cumberland Oval send off .
Parra have been gifted 2 new stadiums after that
We know have a real opportunity to embrace Macarthur, Leichhardt oval is our clubs MECCA and that is never going to change.
Chunk
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Macarthur is no one elses region, only the Wests Tigers, so we can put our huge footprint on it. But we need Ashfield and Macarthur to partner up.
It wont happen for a while, thats for sure but its about the future, so we don't need to alienate anyone. (Me included who loved Balmain and loves LO)
You do have to wonder though, I remember the Magpies saying in 1999 that the Macarthur area was massive and will be huge soon.
However, how many years do you think LO has left in it, for NRL? 10-15?
Ideally, CSS will be ready for a substantial upgrade by then.
weststigers
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Sounds good on paper...tell me...after another 15 years, if there's no support, what's the plan?
Chunk
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No plan, this has to be the plan, wouldn't you agree?
If there's no support for this plan, then in 10-15 years time, I doubt there'll be a Wests Tigers.
They'll chop us for a Brisbane team, we can't be an inner city team with limited growth compared to out west.
pawsandclaws1
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The NSWRL and NRL imo have a responsibility to assist WTs in the development of the region. Why? It is likely to contribute significantly to the development of juniors for the expanded NRL.
weststigers
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Also I will add...Inner West is no one else's region either.
weststigers
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Actually I don't agree and I think it's a disgrace
liltiger
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Imo the major problem is that the ownership is located at Ashfield. So as much as people say we need to tap into Macarthar i just cant see it happening while HBG are located at Ashfield. Concord and Leichardt are right around the corner. If Wests Campbelltown owned us we would have had everything relocated to Campbelltown. I left Casula in 2007 and moved to the Gold Coast and the whole time i lived there that whole region wasnt even treated like an afterthought. Remember 2002 Bulldoge getting done after the deal with the Liverpool council went sour after they got busted rorting the salary cap, they were in the process with Liverpool council to build a casino / resort at the Whitlam Centre. Right in our backyard, yet we dod nothing after. Tried to lobby with the Dogs for a 30,000 seat stadium at Woodward park in Liverpool we would share. But nothing else. Imo all because the owners are located at Ashfield with the forsight of a flea.
I agree but they probably should ask. And push the nrl, like the afl support growth in the region. Embarrass the nrl into helping!!
trentrunciman
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I might get burned for this post but please don’t take offense … and I haven’t posted on the forum for a while…so just my thoughts..
I did a lot of thinking (for once 😅) and you’re right re HBG being a cog ⚙️ which has caused problems for the team.
imho upstream issue sits front and centre on NRL (like any business, economy etc the central institution) the NRL’s 2000 decisions was the generative institutional event, and then ranking later:
- board,
- ownership,
- coaching and
- on-field problems
IMHO are downstream of where the real problem sits.
Those earlier structural choices created a constrained environment that subsequent teams eg dragons , warriors too have had to operate inside.
Proximate blame on boards, coaches , players remains possible and sometimes justified, but it sits at a lower causal level. It’s a systems issue.
(Don’t get angry plz lol)
trentrunciman
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And the same negative consequences are very likely for the Perth bears too- both the clubs structure , its environment will be causal factors but the biggest variable is the NRL and its inability to support its clubs.
Chunk
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Why? A disgrace? What is?
Why is it not a good idea to focus on Macarthur rather then the inner west? Whats the arguments for the inner west vs the whole Macarthur region (the future of course, not now)
And the inner west are certainly othe teams regions, it would be very very easily gobbled up by the Dogs and Parra.
Jedi_Tiger
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cant even give tickets away in the South West.
LO plays out of town teams and it still gets 18k refurbished it will be sell outs all 4 games regardless who we play
Chunk
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Yeah I'm talking about in 10-15 years time.
trentrunciman
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I don’t know much at all about politics but for this team the fundamental question I think is “at what point do govts / institutions (NRL) start caring about the clubs/ppl?”
Like at what point does accumulated failure, declining support, or external pressure force the people running the system (NRL) to start prioritising the actual constituency instead of their own continuity, status, or internal arrangements…
and it doesn’t look pretty when we look how the bears have been managed..the Galvin and Luai contract issues , agents like Moses are all proximate issues which are a result of the NRL. When you see two kids fighting : people look at the parents not only the kids.
I think that’s the heart ♥️ of the issue…
Have a great night ❤️
Like at what point does accumulated failure, declining support, or external pressure force the people running the system (NRL) to start prioritising the actual constituency instead of their own continuity, status, or internal arrangements…
and it doesn’t look pretty when we look how the bears have been managed..the Galvin and Luai contract issues , agents like Moses are all proximate issues which are a result of the NRL. When you see two kids fighting : people look at the parents not only the kids.
I think that’s the heart ♥️ of the issue…
Have a great night ❤️
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69-05-41
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According to ChatGPT:
- NSW has approximately 1,100 registered clubs, but almost all are governed by directors elected directly by the membership under their constitutions and the Registered Clubs Act.
- Based on the available information, it appears that only one NSW registered club still operates a true debenture governance system: Holman Barnes Group (formerly Western Suburbs Leagues Club Ashfield).
- NSW has approximately 1,100 registered clubs, but almost all are governed by directors elected directly by the membership under their constitutions and the Registered Clubs Act.
- Based on the available information, it appears that only one NSW registered club still operates a true debenture governance system: Holman Barnes Group (formerly Western Suburbs Leagues Club Ashfield).
trentrunciman
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I’ve gone down that rabbit hole 🕳️ brother lol
some thoughts I had that led me to the NRL:
- Why would Holman Barnes group have interests in the success of a sports team when its business interests rests on pokies? The only benefit is community alignment.
- How did this business structure begin where a group with little incentive to improve a sports team has so much control of the sports team to begin with?
- what difference does it make for the HBG if the tigers won premierships every year vs the wooden spoon every year?
It leads back to the NRL
** I’m now trying to breakdown the Ugandan economy lol 😂
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