HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

Crucible said:
After reading the embarrassing attempts at logic by those puppets of HBG on this forum, may I suggest that the erstwhile controllers of this excellent vehicle for mostly sensible conversation, take a less generous tolerance to their bile. I for one, would like to see them banned for life and indeed in other times people like this where dealt with in the appropriate manner. I know that public floggings and the occasional guillotining is frowned upon these days (more the pity) but I think there is a very strong case for this in such dire times. For your consideration.
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Well, you've just proven a lot of what I've been saying.

Get on board the company line or get ready to be abused without controls in place.
 
The Chad said:
I'll do this in point form so that people can pick me apart individually.

If Barry O'Farrell is the best choice- that's fantastic news.

It's interesting that O'Farrell would agree to work with HBG again. It would seem unlikely he would do it under duress. Maybe some home truths were meshed out between the two parties?

Nothing changes my stance that people are reacting like they 'know' more than they actually do. Even now- there's been 3 or 4 theories being treated as fact.

None of the things I've said about HBG have changed.

None of the things I've said about how I want the club to be have changed.

People trying to take shots at me...hasn't changed. 😀

And I still don't know anything- other than how to cut & paste now.
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thank you for taking the time to present your thoughts in such a neatly structured format.

You are right that it will make it easier for everyone to dismantle your arguments one bullet point at a time.
 
weststigers said:
As a forum content creator, you really should expect this level of audience interaction, Chad. Some of us are only here for your plot twists.
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I'm not that interesting.

But what IS interesting is that it appears to be perfectly acceptable for a large number of people to join in on a mob mentality of 'pick on the weaker number' if the opinion doesn't exactly match the company line.

Call people what you like, if they don't agree with the majority.

In fact, make an open suggestion to ban those posters for having a contrary opinion.

And nobody calls it out.
 
weststigers said:
You and I are friends. I agree with everything you say. At least publicly. I simply facilitate discussion between you and the wider group. I'm trying to help you!
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I know that. (Didn't expect to know so much in one day).

I try real hard not to tell people they are 'wrong'. I do try to give an alternative view point. I think you get that. Not everyone can see through the mock self-induce rage over things out of their control.
 
The Chad said:
I'm not that interesting.

But what IS interesting is that it appears to be perfectly acceptable for a large number of people to join in on a mob mentality of 'pick on the weaker number' if the opinion doesn't exactly match the company line.

Call people what you like, if they don't agree with the majority.

In fact, make an open suggestion to ban those posters for having a contrary opinion.

And nobody calls it out.
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Now you know how criminal defense lawyers feel.
 
The Chad said:
I know that. (Didn't expect to know so much in one day).

I try real hard not to tell people they are 'wrong'. I do try to give an alternative view point. I think you get that. Not everyone can see through the mock self-induce rage over things out of their control.
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Perhaps I could put it into perspective?

You're trying to offer an obscure viewpoint to people that have had their club systematically destroyed over a 10 year period. Maybe you're super chilled about everything, but I know you're smart enough to realise that you'd be in the minority.

All this at a time when the latest balls up is not only fresh, but developing and getting more outrageous with every news report.

if you were expecting people to engage in a rational and unemotional way to a contrarian viewpoint, that some may argue was stirring the pot, then perhaps you need to lower your expectations a little.
 
The Chad said:
Are people hoping that the financiers of the club are rubbed out all together?
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It has to do with concentration of power to unelected individuals.

It's why all these dramas keep happening.

HBG as an entity isn't really the issue, it's the governance structure that is the issue. If that goes, HBG begins to operate like a normal club with member voting and things change completely. You wouldn't need protests, you'd just cast your member vote at the AGM if you felt strongly one way or another.
 
weststigers said:
Perhaps I could put it into perspective?

You're trying to offer an obscure viewpoint to people that have had their club systematically destroyed over a 10 year period. Maybe you're super chilled about everything, but I know you're smart enough to realise that you'd be in the minority.

All this at a time when the latest balls up is not only fresh, but developing and getting more outrageous with every news report.

if you were expecting people to engage in a rational and unemotional way to a contrarian viewpoint, that some may argue was stirring the pot, then perhaps you need to lower your expectations a little.
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I've actually offered very few viewpoints. Just questions.

You're right- the 'reports' are outrageous. Almost, some might suggest, inflated beyond any kind of reality.

But that's kind of the point. "Reports". The reaction has been hysterical (not funny) over some 3rd hand 'reports'. And any alternative view is unacceptable.

I am chilled out. Some "Troll-like" version of me (that was a name I missed on my roll call) enjoys trying to get people thinking in a different way. And yeah- some people are probably descended too far into the rainbow coloured mist (I'd say red mist, but want to be more inclusive) to contemplate a different view.

But if that isn't what a forum is about....I'll be damned. If I had known I was signing up for a propaganda machine instead, I'd have lowered my expectations as suggested.
 
weststigers said:
It has to do with concentration of power to unelected individuals.

It's why all these dramas keep happening.

HBG as an entity isn't really the issue, it's the governance structure that is the issue. If that goes, HBG begins to operate like a normal club with member voting and things change completely. You wouldn't need protests, you'd just cast your member vote at the AGM if you felt strongly one way or another.
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Sounds almost like what you're asking for is a balanced, even board. One where 2 sides offer similar input & the onus isn't on one side to prop up the other, potentially leading that side to feeling like they probably deserve a bigger say...

If ONLY someone had suggested as much previously.
 
The Chad said:
I've actually offered very few viewpoints. Just questions.

You're right- the 'reports' are outrageous. Almost, some might suggest, inflated beyond any kind of reality.

But that's kind of the point. "Reports". The reaction has been hysterical (not funny) over some 3rd hand 'reports'. And any alternative view is unacceptable.

I am chilled out. Some "Troll-like" version of me (that was a name I missed on my roll call) enjoys trying to get people thinking in a different way. And yeah- some people are probably descended too far into the rainbow coloured mist (I'd say red mist, but want to be more inclusive) to contemplate a different view.

But if that isn't what a forum is about....I'll be damned. If I had known I was signing up for a propaganda machine instead, I'd have lowered my expectations as suggested.
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The pitchforks are out this time Chad. They're not having it.

It'll swing back around....
 
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