HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

KevB said:
Cochise, that could be disputed, given your insistence that Barnier has been cleared of any wrongdoing before his resignation from Opal Aged Care in 2017. An AI summary of this states:

"Based on reports surrounding his departure from Opal Aged Care in 2017 and subsequent government contracting, no formal independent or regulatory body officially "cleared" Gary Barnier of wrongdoing in a published report.

Rather, the following context surrounds the claims regarding his conduct:

  • Internal Investigation: Following 7.30 report investigations into neglect (including a "maggots in the mouth" incident) and bullying allegations in 2017, the Opal board commissioned an independent review into clinical leadership and complaints management.
  • No Findings Made: In 2020, during a Senate Estimates hearing, Department of Health officials stated that "no findings were made against Mr Barnier" in investigations related to those incidents.
  • Resignation Timing: Senator Kristina Keneally noted that Mr. Barnier left his role as Managing Director of Opal before that investigation was finalised.
  • Statement by Spokesperson: A spokesperson for Mr. Barnier stated to News Corp that "exhaustive investigations have found no wrongdoing by Mr Barnier".
Despite the allegations regarding his time at Opal, the Federal Government defended hiring him as a consultant in 2020, with Department of Health official Michael Lye citing his "real world experience" and stating that due diligence was followed. "

The link below may help you understand why Barnier should never be allowed be involved with Wests Tigers or HBG.

https://www.thesenior.com.au/story/...0000-in-grants-from-the-department-of-health/
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Again, there's a current President that was acquitted of wrong doing by the court system that is consistently accused of doing the things he was acquitted of- regardless of the decision.

Being proven innocent & not having been proven guilty are not the same.
 
The Chad said:
This just leads to the question I've been asking all along- why did HBG do it?

Not speculation. Facts. Why? Who here actually knows? If you want to call it a power grab, or want to say it's because they didn't want independent board members etc- that's fine. But it's as much an opinion as anything anyone else has put forward.

People are arguing opinions as facts & then trying to run other people with opposing opinions down for not simply agreeing.

What are HBG's 'true colours'- based on facts? If you want to come back with "they sacked the board"- WHY?
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Because that's what they do. 8 directors removed in the last 18 months shows a level of dysfunction that I want as far away as possible from the Wests Tigers.
 
mtd#2 said:
Do you honestly believe that when someone represents a company as a director, its a good look to publicly follow young girls who sell their bodies online?

Imagine if it was Richo the extreme bias the other way we'd be hearing from old mates on this forum and the Facebook groups.

Cmon man... any credibility you gain with decent points, you lose with bias like this.
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Who found that he was following these people on his account?
 
cochise said:
Because that's what they do. 8 directors removed in the last 18 months shows a level of dysfunction that I want as far away as possible from the Wests Tigers.
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Hey Mate- I don't disagree. And a Wests Tigers that is run for Wests Tigers & not by boards of other benefactors would be ideal.

But it still doesn't answer why they removed those board members.

HBG gave a reason. One that supporters refuse to believe. But the argument against is continually filled with speculation, not facts. And if anyone on here argues against what the majority of supporters want to believe- they are labelled HBG apologists or whatever.
 
mtd#2 said:
Wasn't it some random rugby league social media guy? Not sure why it matters though?
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No idea who it was. I said a day or so ago that it felt like a witch hunt. Why was anyone scrolling his account to see who he follows other than an attempt to dig up dirt on him?
 
The Chad said:
Hey Mate- I don't disagree. And a Wests Tigers that is run for Wests Tigers & not by boards of other benefactors would be ideal.

But it still doesn't answer why they removed those board members.

HBG gave a reason. One that supporters refuse to believe. But the argument against is continually filled with speculation, not facts. And if anyone on here argues against what the majority of supporters want to believe- they are labelled HBG apologists or whatever.
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A reason that was obviously problematic as they took the announcement of their website and tried to reinstate the directors.

We then have people coming on here saying it was to force Richo out.

It appears, and yes I said appears that HBG remove directors regularly and with little justification.

The why is irrelevant to me because if you need to remove 8 directors from your organisation in a 18 month period then your organisation is seriously dysfunctional.
 
mtd#2 said:
You tell me? Why did they then reinstate them all and stay quiet?
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Nah mate- you made this accusation-

"The sacking of the independent directors was another balls up decision that resulted in our ceo resigning.

Proof is in the pudding, they have no idea what they are doing... no matter what % they own"

Why did they do it? Why was it a balls up decision? How does it prove they don't know what they are doing?

They gave a reason for what they did.

They said that decisions were made of financial consequence that were not run past the financial benefactors of the club. Are you saying that you KNOW that wasn't right?

The CEO resigning & those board members invited to come back might just as easily prove they are satisfied that the problem is resolved.
 
The Chad said:
No idea who it was. I said a day or so ago that it felt like a witch hunt. Why was anyone scrolling his account to see who he follows other than an attempt to dig up dirt on him?
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I dont think it is as malicious as you make it out to be.

HBG hit the headlines for blowing up wests tigers by sacking 4 independent directors including BOF...

Someone decides to look into who is on their board, proceeds to check the board members out on social media.

Its hardly a witch hunt, its just poor social media management.
 
cochise said:
A reason that was obviously problematic as they took the announcement of their website and tried to reinstate the directors.

We then have people coming on here saying it was to force Richo out.

It appears, and yes I said appears that HBG remove directors regularly and with little justification.

The why is irrelevant to me because if you need to remove 8 directors from your organisation in a 18 month period then your organisation is seriously dysfunctional.
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Hey Cochise- that's quite possibly correct.

The timeline removes the interaction with PVL, which quite probably had some impact- but as to why is open to speculation.

Taking the statement off the website most likely points to some legal ramifications- but again, that is me speculating.

Taking the one stated fact- that HBG felt that they were not involved in financial decisions made by the board- then following the line from board members of Wests Tigers removed, to Richo leaving (with allegations/investigations against him involving financial dealings), to PVL listening to the removed board members & then seeing HBG, to the invitation of the board members to return (not the CEO)..

It's just as easy to draw a line that the removal of the CEO has satisfied the HBG board that the problem is resolved.

Nothing anyone has said in this whole thread has explained the turnaround on the stance of the board members. It's all speculation.

I agree with you 100% that a Wests Tigers, run without the influence (or at least, the majority influence) of any one group is 100% the best way for the club to run.

The insistence by some that "HBG supporters" are wrong because they don't agree with the vitriol directed at them based on speculated theories is wrong.
 
mtd#2 said:
I dont think it is as malicious as you make it out to be.

HBG hit the headlines for blowing up wests tigers by sacking 4 independent directors including BOF...

Someone decides to look into who is on their board, proceeds to check the board members out on social media.

Its hardly a witch hunt, its just poor social media management.
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That argument has been given to me before & I can see the merit in that.

But, there's no relevance on his social media likes/dislikes & his ability to do his job. And the narrative has never been "he can't function at his role because he follows these people on Instagram" but rather "Dirty Dennis likes young girls".

That's when it becomes more nefarious in nature.
 
The Chad said:
Nah mate- you made this accusation-

"The sacking of the independent directors was another balls up decision that resulted in our ceo resigning.

Proof is in the pudding, they have no idea what they are doing... no matter what % they own"

Why did they do it? Why was it a balls up decision? How does it prove they don't know what they are doing?

They gave a reason for what they did.

They said that decisions were made of financial consequence that were not run past the financial benefactors of the club. Are you saying that you KNOW that wasn't right?

The CEO resigning & those board members invited to come back might just as easily prove they are satisfied that the problem is resolved.
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They sacked the board...
They made a statement that was contradictory, because hbg had 2 directors on the WT board.
They backflipped and reinstated the directors
They have made no statements since
Its a complete balls up.

If there was any merit to their claims, the independent directors wouldnt have been reinstated...
 
442 pages wasted on the HBG. They have been a total failure basically since the merger was formed and never held responsible. We have blamed coaches, we have blamed players but the one constant has been the HBG. Sadly it would appear they have even more power now to enforce their incompetence.

We might fluke the odd successful season, but to be a powerful club will never ever happen with HBG holding the keys to the club.
 
The Chad said:
That argument has been given to me before & I can see the merit in that.

But, there's no relevance on his social media likes/dislikes & his ability to do his job. And the narrative has never been "he can't function at his role because he follows these people on Instagram" but rather "Dirty Dennis likes young girls".

That's when it becomes more nefarious in nature.
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Man, that's just social media in general. Its putrid out there.
 
The Chad said:
Hey Cochise- that's quite possibly correct.

The timeline removes the interaction with PVL, which quite probably had some impact- but as to why is open to speculation.

Taking the statement off the website most likely points to some legal ramifications- but again, that is me speculating.

Taking the one stated fact- that HBG felt that they were not involved in financial decisions made by the board- then following the line from board members of Wests Tigers removed, to Richo leaving (with allegations/investigations against him involving financial dealings), to PVL listening to the removed board members & then seeing HBG, to the invitation of the board members to return (not the CEO)..

It's just as easy to draw a line that the removal of the CEO has satisfied the HBG board that the problem is resolved.

Nothing anyone has said in this whole thread has explained the turnaround on the stance of the board members. It's all speculation.

I agree with you 100% that a Wests Tigers, run without the influence (or at least, the majority influence) of any one group is 100% the best way for the club to run.

The insistence by some that "HBG supporters" are wrong because they don't agree with the vitriol directed at them based on speculated theories is wrong.
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The HBG appointed the independent directors, even if they were acting inappropriately then I have to call into question their decision to appoint them if they all needed removing less than 12 months later. This combined with the fact they had to remove 4 members of their board in the previous 18 months shows their instability and dysfunction. They are not fit custodians of the Wests Tigers.
 
mtd#2 said:
They sacked the board...
They made a statement that was contradictory, because hbg had 2 directors on the WT board.
They backflipped and reinstated the directors
They have made no statements since
Its a complete balls up.

If there was any merit to their claims, the independent directors wouldnt have been reinstated...
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They sacked the board... FACT

They made a statement that was contradictory, because hbg had 2 directors on the WT board. - Mostly factual. They did make a confusing statement. They did have 2 members on the board. The statement being contradictory in part doesn't make it less true however & has never been shown to be otherwise.

They backflipped and reinstated the directors - Partly factual. After the CEO resigned & PVL met both sides, the board members were invited to return.

They have made no statements since - Not a sign of incompetance, but factual.

Its a complete balls up.- Speculation

If there was any merit to their claims, the independent directors wouldnt have been reinstated... - Speculation.

For clarity- you MIGHT be right.

But also, just as possibly right- after the CEO left, after PVL met both sides, the HBG board might have been satisfied that the issue of where financial decisions were being made with no consultation with the financial backers of the club was resolved & they were happy to have the removed members return under these circumstances.

Where I will say HBG appear to have gone wrong, in my opinion, is that they reacted to what they felt was wrongdoing before getting all the facts themselves. But that is my speculation based on timelines. What that doesn't remove from the equation is if they had a point or not, which is quite possibly right & completely overlooked in 90% of this discussion.
 
The Chad said:
No idea who it was. I said a day or so ago that it felt like a witch hunt. Why was anyone scrolling his account to see who he follows other than an attempt to dig up dirt on him?
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Couldve been plenty of reasons...YOU are suggesting it was only to get dirt on him.
Sounds biased

He was in the news at the time,
His appearance is different
Hes a muso

Many possible reasons

I look up people all the time, Richard Clapton 15 minutes ago...interesting life
 
cochise said:
The HBG appointed the independent directors, even if they were acting inappropriately then I have to call into question their decision to appoint them if they all needed removing less than 12 months later. This combined with the fact they had to remove 4 members of their board in the previous 18 months shows their instability and dysfunction. They are not fit custodians of the Wests Tigers.
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It certainly does appear to be a.....volatile environment.

I would speculate- and that is the important term- that HBG reacted to what they thought was a slight against the financial backers of the club from decision makers at board level when certain financial decisions were not made in consultation with the HBG board. My speculation is that they reacted without all the information & that it came to their realisation that the issue lay...elsewhere...and once that element was removed from the club, and with the help of PVL & his interaction with BOTH sides- they saw fit to invite those board members back.

Does it show that the HBG board made a mistake? Yes, in that theory it does. Does it show they are incompetent? I'm not sold on that. At any level, there will be mistakes made by PEOPLE. The actions of those people after the mistake often dictate if a person are incompetent or not. If they saw they made an error & then offered to rectify it by asking the board members back- I won't hang them, or anyone, for that.
 
innsaneink said:
Couldve been plenty of reasons...YOU are suggesting it was only to get dirt on him.
Sounds biased

He was in the news at the time,
His appearance is different
Hes a muso

Many possible reasons

I look up people all the time, Richard Clapton 15 minutes ago...interesting life
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Appreciate that point.

However, if you noted that Richard Clapton followed Bonnie Blue, would you focus on that? Or on his musical history when you talk about him later?
 
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