Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

gregjm87 said:
Don't disagree with this take at all, prioritising Whyte as well as the likes of Steep and Wong is fair enough. But weren't there comments around "made some calls" when explaining why he was overlooked. I may be misremembering but I thought there was a blowup on the forum about the calls were to Roosters staff and not Tigers staff or something like this.
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Wong is way over rated.
He has the size and athleticism, but not much else.
The Roosters backline is half the national over 35’s backline, Sam Walker is quality and their 2 centres are slightly above average, no superstars.
I reckon Marky Mark will not be as effective this season, he will probably be playing in a dinner suit over the second half of the season.
Not sure how the Roosters are being tipped as top 4 certainties, we are every chance of beating them and finishing ahead of them.
 
jrtiger said:
no longer. he had to take a $150k paycut to stay at Souths and he opted for it.

I really hope he can get over his leg fracture and kick on. got a lot of respect for Bud with how he dealt with being
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He was contracted to us for $600k per year … 2024-27

At the end of his first season 2024 …the Tigers offered him $900k to leave ( $300 for the remaining 3 seasons )

I’d be very surprised if they are not contributing that $300k this year , even if he did reduce his remaining committment by $150k to Souths
 
Vicious said:
Yes but we are also paying another spine member in Latu 500k
An estimated combined value of our two halfbacks options being Douehi and Latu is 900k, where Souths have Humphries and Ward which would be around 350 - 400k.
So if our halfback does not far outplay their halfback when we play them, something is wrong.
5/8 they have Walker on 500k, we have Luai on 1.2m, so again Luai needs to be twice as good as Walker when we play them.
Fullback, Bula at somewhere around 900k compared to Jye Gray on around 500k needs to be twice as good as him.
Api on 700k needs to be a lot better than Brandon Smith on 500k

This is the accountability we need to be taking into consideration when rating our players performance.
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How do you measure "twice as good"?

Like double the metres, line breaks and tries?

Have you factored in diminishing returns in this fantastical equation?
 
gregjm87 said:
King is a significantly better defender. I expect someone to look at tackle efficiency stats and argue with me (though the difference is minimal). King is by far the better wrestler and better disciplined when it comes to 6 agains and penalties.
They both make their metres but with minimal effect though I think May probably slightly has an edge here.
I think King over May for his defensive discipline is a perfectly fine selection but there is one final consideration which is personality. Now May seems like a decent enough bloke to me but he also seems a bit of a different character. He also obviously had some sort of falling out at the Roosters which we don't know the details of. You've only got a week to meld all those personalities so if there are questions about one bloke fitting in compared to the alternate option that would also influence the decision.
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Josh King > Max King
 
Holman Barnes #1 Fan said:
Not while Laurie is in charge. Would sooner bring Mitchell Pearce out of retirement than make a sensible selection.
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No confidence in Daley, but then again, I haven't cared about origin for a while.

In hindsight, I think I always liked it because of the individual battles and square-ups between players that hate each other. That's gone now in our sanitised society.
 
Well, the start of the season is nearly here halleluiah.

Oh, but how I dread fox's coverage repeating Vegas here, Vegas there, Vegas this, Vegas that, we should count and cringe how many times it's said by the end of the coverage Sunday night.

In the end a lot will be thinking of the possibilities of where they can stick it.
 
wstigers11 said:
They’re paying for Dodd still
Smith is on $650k - API $700k
Latrell 1.1m
Murray 1.1m
Wighton 850k
Keon, Arrow, Campbell Graham, Tatola all on $700k

The rest you’ve speculated - their roster is top heavy compared to ours. Just a different way of salary cap management
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I think the issue is that people really don't understand what the Cap is these days and just how much salaries have changed so quickly in the last 5 years. Ive spoken to someone at another club about this a few times and how its structured by teams over a 1-5 year period.

Gone are the days where a team could afford maybe one or two 1mil+ players. Most teams also structure their cap very differently these days. Teams either take a top heavy approach with 5 or 6 players on 900k+ (like Souths or Manly) or more balanced with most of the roster on 600-800k (like us, Sharks or Dogs). How teams do it is just based on their personnel, luck with gun juniors and ability to recruit the best of the best.

Most agents and players are now are pushing for contracts based on a % of the cap rather than a specific number like (800k one year and 850k the next) because of the massive jump in the cap lately and the extra 24million coming into the market from expansion teams, creating more demand and higher prices. Thats why its so beneficial to sign players like Twal etc on 3-4 year extensions with the same salary each year now, because his 450k in 2026 is 3.75-4% of the total cap, but in 2030 his 450k will probably only be a 2.75-3% cap hit. It saves money and cap room in the long run. Especially with contracts in that lower to mid tier range, because they're easier to flip to other teams or super league if the player stops performing.

I find that most the comments on here when a player signs for say 800k are along the lines of "hes not worth 800K! hes worth 650k max". However the 800k is essentially the same amount (%) on the cap as 650k was in 2023. People just simply don't understand the cap and how much the dollar amounts are worth as a percentage on the cap.
 
Canadian Club said:
I think the issue is that people really don't understand what the Cap is these days and just how much salaries have changed so quickly in the last 5 years. Ive spoken to someone at another club about this a few times and how its structured by teams over a 1-5 year period.

Gone are the days where a team could afford maybe one or two 1mil+ players. Most teams also structure their cap very differently these days. Teams either take a top heavy approach with 5 or 6 players on 900k+ (like Souths or Manly) or more balanced with most of the roster on 600-800k (like us, Sharks or Dogs). How teams do it is just based on their personnel, luck with gun juniors and ability to recruit the best of the best.

Most agents and players are now are pushing for contracts based on a % of the cap rather than a specific number like (800k one year and 850k the next) because of the massive jump in the cap lately and the extra 24million coming into the market from expansion teams, creating more demand and higher prices. Thats why its so beneficial to sign players like Twal etc on 3-4 year extensions with the same salary each year now, because his 450k in 2026 is 3.75-4% of the total cap, but in 2030 his 450k will probably only be a 2.75-3% cap hit. It saves money and cap room in the long run. Especially with contracts in that lower to mid tier range, because they're easier to flip to other teams or super league if the player stops performing.

I find that most the comments on here when a player signs for say 800k are along the lines of "hes not worth 800K! hes worth 650k max". However the 800k is essentially the same amount (%) on the cap as 650k was in 2023. People just simply don't understand the cap and how much the dollar amounts are worth as a percentage on the cap.
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Exactly mate nailed it
 
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