3rd party deals

[larrycorowa]

Tpa's negotiated thru the nrl for individual clubs

 

[larrycorowa]

Most of these tpa's seem tube quasi sponsorship arrangements which are not in the spirit of tpa's

 

[Geo]

Most of these tpa's seem tube quasi sponsorship arrangements which are not in the spirit of tpa's

Which one's and which players exactly…I'm keen to know..

 

[wonka]

How about when the bulldogs were going to sign Fifita half the money (TPA) was going to come from an aboriginal women's centre, Talk about shady deals.

 

[Black_n_White]

Most of these tpa's seem tube quasi sponsorship arrangements which are not in the spirit of tpa's

Which one's and which players exactly…I'm keen to know..

Well Geo, if you want a documented case, lets look at Anasta.

If TPA's were legitimate, then he wouldnt say he has any outstanding monies from us. His entire complaint is that he hasnt recieved payment for the TPA which was wink wink nudge nudge, when he signed with us.

If it was truly a TPA then it has nothing at all to do with our club, but a matter between himself, his manager, and the TPA provider…. So why is our clubs name even uttered in the same sentence?

 

[Geo]

Most of these tpa's seem tube quasi sponsorship arrangements which are not in the spirit of tpa's

Which one's and which players exactly…I'm keen to know..

Well Geo, if you want a documented case, lets look at Anasta.

If TPA's were legitimate, then he wouldnt say he has any outstanding monies from us. His entire complaint is that he hasnt recieved payment for the TPA which was wink wink nudge nudge, when he signed with us.

If it was truly a TPA then it has nothing at all to do with our club, but a matter between himself, his manager, and the TPA provider…. So why is our clubs name even uttered in the same sentence?

Yes and after that claim was refuted by Mayer …it was never mentioned again.....

Was interesting listening to Gasnier (bout the only time) on NRL Round Table about how almost half his contract was made up of non- affiliated TPA's and were simply not paid forcing him out of the Dragons to France...

Remembering Non- affiliated whilst not capped must still be approved by the NRL...

 

[Black_n_White]

Most of these tpa's seem tube quasi sponsorship arrangements which are not in the spirit of tpa's

Which one's and which players exactly…I'm keen to know..

Well Geo, if you want a documented case, lets look at Anasta.

If TPA's were legitimate, then he wouldnt say he has any outstanding monies from us. His entire complaint is that he hasnt recieved payment for the TPA which was wink wink nudge nudge, when he signed with us.

If it was truly a TPA then it has nothing at all to do with our club, but a matter between himself, his manager, and the TPA provider…. So why is our clubs name even uttered in the same sentence?

Yes and after that claim was refuted by Mayer …it was never mentioned again.....

Was interesting listening to Gasnier (bout the only time) on NRL Round Table about how almost half his contract was made up of non- affiliated TPA's and were simply not paid forcing him out of the Dragons to France...

**Remembering Non- affiliated whilst not capped must still be approved by the NRL...**

the same NRl who wouldnt approve the Eels attempt to bring back Folau, yet went on to approve Rooters with SBW whist using CH9 as a TPA provider. The deals were both skewed more TPA than salary, very similarly percentage wise, and to be fair, the SBW deal breached many TPA rules, where as the Folau scenario was much tidier.

 

[larrycorowa]

This is how it would work. Xxxx wants to sponsor Cameron smith for $100k, they approach nrl who approves and this $100k comes off tpa cap for Melbourne, once this is exhausted they need to find another player at another club to sponsor.

Each club has a total tpa cap of say $500k. Each tpa negotiated through nrl. Only works if players association (players) agree to arrangement. Spreads the love around but may limit some players earning potential. Means you can't have too many marquees at any one club as they would have reduced earning power..,.but this is point of salary cap. Cap is roughly the same as total of all current tpa's with increases each year in line with current growth rate.

 

[supercoach]

Nrl just needs to do a deal with the players association to scrap tpa's in favour of an across the board increase in the cap.

Will never happen because it will create a legal mine field. The players will be able to challenge the league on all sorts of things if the TPA's were scrapped.

Of course you would also have a level playing field and most of the clubs who wield the most influence at head office are the ones who would have the most to loose.

 

[larrycorowa]

That's why you need the players to agree to the arrangement.

A case in point where the players and league negotiate to avoid a legal minefield is the afl draft….there is no restraint of trade action because the players and afl have agreed to a draft. This makes the system of player transfers infinitely better than the nrl and creates a range of commercial opportunities that the Nrl misses out on.

Nrl players and club are too short sighted.

 

[Club_Sandwich]

Salary cap is and always has been an absolute joke. Anyone with half a brain can see that there's no way the Broncos can legitimately be under the cap. Freakin joke.
That's why the Cowboys beating them in the GF last year was very satisfying

 

[TCL]

I don't know much about the TPA and cap. but why dont they just raise the cap to the appropriate level and all tpa's fall into the cap. Include a draft system as well?

I'm not for or against just putting it out there?

 

[Nors05]

Coming back to HT, is it true that he won't be able to supply TPAs?? I remember an article where he stated that WT approached him and said that we needed xyz so maybe the cat is out of the bag. With everything that went on with the Eels the WT were probably told very clearly to not take the piss…

 

[cqtiger]

Salary cap is and always has been an absolute joke. Anyone with half a brain can see that there's no way the Broncos can legitimately be under the cap. Freakin joke.
That's why the Cowboys beating them in the GF last year was very satisfying

Don't kid yourself, the Cowboys rort it just as much. There was a big story doing the rounds a few years ago about most cowboy players having multiple houses. Funny how one of the key cowboy officials was a land developer.

Like the broncos, the story was hushed.
How many stars did they lose after the GF?
The only player of note to leave after this year is Tamau.

Even their fullback had big money offers to leave but he recently re-signed.
Go figure

 

[Doc_Tiger]

I don't know much about the TPA and cap. but why dont they just raise the cap to the appropriate level and all tpa's fall into the cap. Include a draft system as well?

I'm not for or against just putting it out there?

I guess because no matter what it's raised to, it's never enough. Up goes the demands of the main players and the rest still settle for what's left. No change - just the numbers.

 

[newtiger]

The best way to have a more level playing field is to run it like Super coach.
Put a value on every level that a player, eg: Australian SOO 100 NRL games.
Then set a limit on each club.
Discount for being a local junior.
Discount for years of service.
This would never happen because Uncle Nick and Greenberg's ex club have no juniors.

 

[supercoach]

You can have all the restrictions on the cap and TPA's you want but you will never stop clubs from finding ways to top up players contracts. Having third parties pay monies to players or their spouses or even their families is basically impossible to track. So as someone suggested the only fair system would be for the NRL to actually put a value on every player. That way the clubs could actually pay the players what they want, but the clubs would only be able to squeeze x amount of marquee players under the cap.

Will not happen but it is the only way you will ever create a level playing field, although would you trust the NRL to value players with certain clubs who seem to have a fair bit of say at HQ

 

[TCL]

The best way to have a more level playing field is to run it like Super coach.
Put a value on every level that a player, eg: Australian SOO 100 NRL games.
Then set a limit on each club.
Discount for being a local junior.
Discount for years of service.
This would never happen because Uncle Nick and Greenberg's ex club have no juniors.

This is logical!

In addition why not cap the number of players with TPA's - only 7 per team and punish any team found roarting severely both financially and on the field eg. that they can not compete for points the following season?

Seperate to the above,why are we worried about players claiming we are restricting their earnings? Outside of football most roles have a salary band and that is all you will get. Exceptional candidates may receive slight overs but predominantly the sum on offer is set?

 

[cqtiger]

There was an article recently criticising the NRL for saying that some player managers were going to be heavily scrutinised after the Parra salary cap scandal. The criticism is based on loud words but no action by the NRL.

The reasons for the inaction by the NRL were that it would open a can of worms. All player managers do know of illegal payments and if the NRL pushed too hard, it would all come out that all clubs cheat, some cheat far more than most and it would make a mockery of the competition.

It is exactly as we suspect but will never be proven.
NRL condoned corruption to keep the rich clubs at the top.

 

[newtiger]

The best way to have a more level playing field is to run it like Super coach.
Put a value on every level that a player, eg: Australian SOO 100 NRL games.
Then set a limit on each club.
Discount for being a local junior.
Discount for years of service.
This would never happen because Uncle Nick and Greenberg's ex club have no juniors.

This is logical!

In addition why not cap the number of players with TPA's - only 7 per team and punish any team found roarting severely both financially and on the field eg. that they can not compete for points the following season?

Seperate to the above,why are we worried about players claiming we are restricting their earnings? Outside of football most roles have a salary band and that is all you will get. Exceptional candidates may receive slight overs but predominantly the sum on offer is set?

The point of this is no matter how much you pay any player or players you can only have a certain Dollar amount in your team.
You could pay someone $10million but his value in the cap is the same as any other player at the same level.