A compelling reason

[TrueTiger]

as to why a good player / upcoming player would want to join the WT?
Seriously..I can understand the young player looking for a start (but if talented it could happen with any club, within reason) ..but without being flippant, or negative, what would entice a good player to join us, apart from $$?
What exactly do we offer to attract talent?

An open question, not sure there is an answer.

@tiger-heart that is actually a very good question.
What existing benefits would attract a player to WT?
I really can’t see many to be honest. There is the opportunity to play nrl, which could attract a good offer from another club, or prolong your career on reasonable remuneration.

What do I think would attract players if it was seen to be a certainty benefit?
ENHANCED REPUTATION.
When a player can be seen by peers and fans as being better simply by wearing a team jersey then you know your club is successful. What are we doing right now to enhance the reputation of our players? This is the question all WT employees should be answering.
It took years before Braith would even admit to being contracted at the Tigers. Another who prolonged his career at high cost to WT.
We should stamp it on the arm of everyone at the club until it becomes reality.
Wests Tigers , enhancing players reputations.

Yeah you could get the same at 13 other clubs ...and not be a 250 -1 shot of winning the title and 20-1 shot of even making the 8 .....


You can get the same enhanced reputation at 13 clubs? I disagree Hap. imo only the chooks and Storm have that benefit. OK, sure Benji has been puffing his chest out since joining the Bunnies, so to some extent the Bunnies have that benefit but not in spades like chooks and Storm. Did you think Benji was a better player when you first saw him in a Souths jersey?
I don’t think Panthers have that reputation building benefit about them after hitting 17 wins straight and looking hot favourites to hold up the Provan Summons trophy. They don’t have the same John west look about them, but maybe they’re on their way? So, it doesn’t necessarily coexist with winning. I see winning as a consequence of doing everything else. Being able to do the right thing at the right time without thinking etc.

Put yourself in the shoes of any NRL player

Why would you choose the WT's over the other 15 clubs

Career wise ......imagine how many more risks you'd have physically and mentally trying to get us to a premiership than you would any of Top 6 clubs alone

It isn't worth it for a player wanting to play SOO ,Tests Dally M awards etc

I'll be honest , for us to sign a Top 5 player we will need to attract at least 5 Top 50 players beforehand .....and that will be hard enough

Even then we only become a Top 6 side ......

I don't even think we currently have a Top 50 player .....

yes Hap I value and respect your opinion,however one point I would like to make is that apart from internal tensions,what Madge is doing with the young players and developing a solid pathway,we can produce our own top players from within...Many teams do rely on buying marquee players with vasts amount of money including us,but it hasnt worked here over the few seasons and we must develop our young players...
To me we have suffered enough with recruitment and coaches trying to buy success,Madge is trying to create success on our terms,granted we are in a muddle at the moment but I honestly think it will succeed in the long run...it will take time,effort and pain but we will come out on top...
sacking coaches.paying huge overs,buying crocks hasnt got us anything except heartache...
I think we should give Hartigan and Madge the time they are here for to get us where we need to be...in the finals...I think we are heading in the right direction apart for a few hurdles that we need to get over and one of those is to get some wins...

Even with the new blokes coming through , the only one I see as Top 50 material is Stefano

We also have Jake Simpkin,Daine Laurie,Tuilagi,Simpkins and Madden that are plying their trade and could be anything if they have the right coaching and programs in place...

 

[851]

$$$$$and an extra 6 weeks paid leave every year..

Sad, but true

 

[twentyforty]

as to why a good player / upcoming player would want to join the WT?
Seriously..I can understand the young player looking for a start (but if talented it could happen with any club, within reason) ..but without being flippant, or negative, what would entice a good player to join us, apart from $$?
What exactly do we offer to attract talent?

An open question, not sure there is an answer.

@tiger-heart that is actually a very good question.
What existing benefits would attract a player to WT?
I really can’t see many to be honest. There is the opportunity to play nrl, which could attract a good offer from another club, or prolong your career on reasonable remuneration.

What do I think would attract players if it was seen to be a certainty benefit?
ENHANCED REPUTATION.
When a player can be seen by peers and fans as being better simply by wearing a team jersey then you know your club is successful. What are we doing right now to enhance the reputation of our players? This is the question all WT employees should be answering.
It took years before Braith would even admit to being contracted at the Tigers. Another who prolonged his career at high cost to WT.
We should stamp it on the arm of everyone at the club until it becomes reality.
Wests Tigers , enhancing players reputations.

Yeah you could get the same at 13 other clubs ...and not be a 250 -1 shot of winning the title and 20-1 shot of even making the 8 .....


You can get the same enhanced reputation at 13 clubs? I disagree Hap. imo only the chooks and Storm have that benefit. OK, sure Benji has been puffing his chest out since joining the Bunnies, so to some extent the Bunnies have that benefit but not in spades like chooks and Storm. Did you think Benji was a better player when you first saw him in a Souths jersey?
I don’t think Panthers have that reputation building benefit about them after hitting 17 wins straight and looking hot favourites to hold up the Provan Summons trophy. They don’t have the same John west look about them, but maybe they’re on their way? So, it doesn’t necessarily coexist with winning. I see winning as a consequence of doing everything else. Being able to do the right thing at the right time without thinking etc.

Put yourself in the shoes of any NRL player

Why would you choose the WT's over the other 15 clubs

Career wise ......imagine how many more risks you'd have physically and mentally trying to get us to a premiership than you would any of Top 6 clubs alone

It isn't worth it for a player wanting to play SOO ,Tests Dally M awards etc

I'll be honest , for us to sign a Top 5 player we will need to attract at least 5 Top 50 players beforehand .....and that will be hard enough

Even then we only become a Top 6 side ......

I don't even think we currently have a Top 50 player .....

yes Hap I value and respect your opinion,however one point I would like to make is that apart from internal tensions,what Madge is doing with the young players and developing a solid pathway,we can produce our own top players from within...Many teams do rely on buying marquee players with vasts amount of money including us,but it hasnt worked here over the few seasons and we must develop our young players...
To me we have suffered enough with recruitment and coaches trying to buy success,Madge is trying to create success on our terms,granted we are in a muddle at the moment but I honestly think it will succeed in the long run...it will take time,effort and pain but we will come out on top...
sacking coaches.paying huge overs,buying crocks hasnt got us anything except heartache...
I think we should give Hartigan and Madge the time they are here for to get us where we need to be...in the finals...I think we are heading in the right direction apart for a few hurdles that we need to get over and one of those is to get some wins...

Even with the new blokes coming through , the only one I see as Top 50 material is Stefano

Without doing the math, I can’t disagree with that Hap. You’re probably spot on . And when you think about the enormous job of turning it around, it makes even more sense to invest (time energy & financially) in development systems which will not break down, regardless of the number of disgruntled employees leaving time bombs on their way out. Why can’t they have rigid systems, procedures, growth corridors etc in place, while at the same time having managerial flexibility? Seems that when a coach gets booted we are starting from scratch again like ground hog day which lasts about 2 years. IDK, you probably have more internal knowledge than I do, but to an outsider seems like the playing group, as Lee calls it needs to reset its priorities?

 

[BZN]

Someone also mentioned that he sought money to help address some of the team’s deficiencies but was knocked back

Not sure what that means but they have ploughed more money into the football dept in the past 2 years than they did the previous 4..

Thanks @Geo. Not sure where it was mentioned but someone on the forum said a couple of days ago that he made a request but was turned down.
I honestly don't know what to believe any more.

Really enjoy :slightly_smiling_face: reading your posts @Lauren
Keep em rollin in :+1:

 

[Rugba]

as to why a good player / upcoming player would want to join the WT?
Seriously..I can understand the young player looking for a start (but if talented it could happen with any club, within reason) ..but without being flippant, or negative, what would entice a good player to join us, apart from $$?
What exactly do we offer to attract talent?

An open question, not sure there is an answer.

@tiger-heart that is actually a very good question.
What existing benefits would attract a player to WT?
I really can’t see many to be honest. There is the opportunity to play nrl, which could attract a good offer from another club, or prolong your career on reasonable remuneration.

What do I think would attract players if it was seen to be a certainty benefit?
ENHANCED REPUTATION.
When a player can be seen by peers and fans as being better simply by wearing a team jersey then you know your club is successful. What are we doing right now to enhance the reputation of our players? This is the question all WT employees should be answering.
It took years before Braith would even admit to being contracted at the Tigers. Another who prolonged his career at high cost to WT.
We should stamp it on the arm of everyone at the club until it becomes reality.
Wests Tigers , enhancing players reputations.

Yeah you could get the same at 13 other clubs ...and not be a 250 -1 shot of winning the title and 20-1 shot of even making the 8 .....


You can get the same enhanced reputation at 13 clubs? I disagree Hap. imo only the chooks and Storm have that benefit. OK, sure Benji has been puffing his chest out since joining the Bunnies, so to some extent the Bunnies have that benefit but not in spades like chooks and Storm. Did you think Benji was a better player when you first saw him in a Souths jersey?
I don’t think Panthers have that reputation building benefit about them after hitting 17 wins straight and looking hot favourites to hold up the Provan Summons trophy. They don’t have the same John west look about them, but maybe they’re on their way? So, it doesn’t necessarily coexist with winning. I see winning as a consequence of doing everything else. Being able to do the right thing at the right time without thinking etc.

Put yourself in the shoes of any NRL player

Why would you choose the WT's over the other 15 clubs

Career wise ......imagine how many more risks you'd have physically and mentally trying to get us to a premiership than you would any of Top 6 clubs alone

It isn't worth it for a player wanting to play SOO ,Tests Dally M awards etc

I'll be honest , for us to sign a Top 5 player we will need to attract at least 5 Top 50 players beforehand .....and that will be hard enough

Even then we only become a Top 6 side ......

I don't even think we currently have a Top 50 player .....

yes Hap I value and respect your opinion,however one point I would like to make is that apart from internal tensions,what Madge is doing with the young players and developing a solid pathway,we can produce our own top players from within...Many teams do rely on buying marquee players with vasts amount of money including us,but it hasnt worked here over the few seasons and we must develop our young players...
To me we have suffered enough with recruitment and coaches trying to buy success,Madge is trying to create success on our terms,granted we are in a muddle at the moment but I honestly think it will succeed in the long run...it will take time,effort and pain but we will come out on top...
sacking coaches.paying huge overs,buying crocks hasnt got us anything except heartache...
I think we should give Hartigan and Madge the time they are here for to get us where we need to be...in the finals...I think we are heading in the right direction apart for a few hurdles that we need to get over and one of those is to get some wins...

Even with the new blokes coming through , the only one I see as Top 50 material is Stefano


Without doing the math, I can’t disagree with that Hap. You’re probably spot on . And when you think about the enormous job of turning it around, it makes even more sense to invest (time energy & financially) in development systems which will not break down, regardless of the number of disgruntled employees leaving time bombs on their way out. Why can’t they have rigid systems, procedures, growth corridors etc in place, while at the same time having managerial flexibility? Seems that when a coach gets booted we are starting from scratch again like ground hog day which lasts about 2 years. IDK, you probably have more internal knowledge than I do, but to an outsider seems like the playing group, as Lee calls it needs to reset its priorities?

And this is what I don’t get (re development systems)

Why do many new coaches etc talk about development or young players and systems etc (a lot don’t follow through ). Also what makes them experts on developing juniors (developing young players is not their expertice)

I just don’t understand why the development of juniors is affected by the coach - the clubs should have all these systems in place . I get head coach would have Influence as to who gets signed in reserved etc .. but shouldn’t the clubs be developing players in the districts and in reality the only thing that should change with change of coach is who they select in lower grades and should always be a production line or young players coming through

 

[Snake]

as to why a good player / upcoming player would want to join the WT?
Seriously..I can understand the young player looking for a start (but if talented it could happen with any club, within reason) ..but without being flippant, or negative, what would entice a good player to join us, apart from $$?
What exactly do we offer to attract talent?

An open question, not sure there is an answer.

@tiger-heart that is actually a very good question.
What existing benefits would attract a player to WT?
I really can’t see many to be honest. There is the opportunity to play nrl, which could attract a good offer from another club, or prolong your career on reasonable remuneration.

What do I think would attract players if it was seen to be a certainty benefit?
ENHANCED REPUTATION.
When a player can be seen by peers and fans as being better simply by wearing a team jersey then you know your club is successful. What are we doing right now to enhance the reputation of our players? This is the question all WT employees should be answering.
It took years before Braith would even admit to being contracted at the Tigers. Another who prolonged his career at high cost to WT.
We should stamp it on the arm of everyone at the club until it becomes reality.
Wests Tigers , enhancing players reputations.

Yeah you could get the same at 13 other clubs ...and not be a 250 -1 shot of winning the title and 20-1 shot of even making the 8 .....


You can get the same enhanced reputation at 13 clubs? I disagree Hap. imo only the chooks and Storm have that benefit. OK, sure Benji has been puffing his chest out since joining the Bunnies, so to some extent the Bunnies have that benefit but not in spades like chooks and Storm. Did you think Benji was a better player when you first saw him in a Souths jersey?
I don’t think Panthers have that reputation building benefit about them after hitting 17 wins straight and looking hot favourites to hold up the Provan Summons trophy. They don’t have the same John west look about them, but maybe they’re on their way? So, it doesn’t necessarily coexist with winning. I see winning as a consequence of doing everything else. Being able to do the right thing at the right time without thinking etc.

Put yourself in the shoes of any NRL player

Why would you choose the WT's over the other 15 clubs

Career wise ......imagine how many more risks you'd have physically and mentally trying to get us to a premiership than you would any of Top 6 clubs alone

It isn't worth it for a player wanting to play SOO ,Tests Dally M awards etc

I'll be honest , for us to sign a Top 5 player we will need to attract at least 5 Top 50 players beforehand .....and that will be hard enough

Even then we only become a Top 6 side ......

I don't even think we currently have a Top 50 player .....

In regards to Rep footy playing for the Tigers did not stop Woods/Farah or Teddy making rep sides just saying .

 

[twentyforty]

as to why a good player / upcoming player would want to join the WT?
Seriously..I can understand the young player looking for a start (but if talented it could happen with any club, within reason) ..but without being flippant, or negative, what would entice a good player to join us, apart from $$?
What exactly do we offer to attract talent?

An open question, not sure there is an answer.

@tiger-heart that is actually a very good question.
What existing benefits would attract a player to WT?
I really can’t see many to be honest. There is the opportunity to play nrl, which could attract a good offer from another club, or prolong your career on reasonable remuneration.

What do I think would attract players if it was seen to be a certainty benefit?
ENHANCED REPUTATION.
When a player can be seen by peers and fans as being better simply by wearing a team jersey then you know your club is successful. What are we doing right now to enhance the reputation of our players? This is the question all WT employees should be answering.
It took years before Braith would even admit to being contracted at the Tigers. Another who prolonged his career at high cost to WT.
We should stamp it on the arm of everyone at the club until it becomes reality.
Wests Tigers , enhancing players reputations.

Yeah you could get the same at 13 other clubs ...and not be a 250 -1 shot of winning the title and 20-1 shot of even making the 8 .....


You can get the same enhanced reputation at 13 clubs? I disagree Hap. imo only the chooks and Storm have that benefit. OK, sure Benji has been puffing his chest out since joining the Bunnies, so to some extent the Bunnies have that benefit but not in spades like chooks and Storm. Did you think Benji was a better player when you first saw him in a Souths jersey?
I don’t think Panthers have that reputation building benefit about them after hitting 17 wins straight and looking hot favourites to hold up the Provan Summons trophy. They don’t have the same John west look about them, but maybe they’re on their way? So, it doesn’t necessarily coexist with winning. I see winning as a consequence of doing everything else. Being able to do the right thing at the right time without thinking etc.

Put yourself in the shoes of any NRL player

Why would you choose the WT's over the other 15 clubs

Career wise ......imagine how many more risks you'd have physically and mentally trying to get us to a premiership than you would any of Top 6 clubs alone

It isn't worth it for a player wanting to play SOO ,Tests Dally M awards etc

I'll be honest , for us to sign a Top 5 player we will need to attract at least 5 Top 50 players beforehand .....and that will be hard enough

Even then we only become a Top 6 side ......

I don't even think we currently have a Top 50 player .....

yes Hap I value and respect your opinion,however one point I would like to make is that apart from internal tensions,what Madge is doing with the young players and developing a solid pathway,we can produce our own top players from within...Many teams do rely on buying marquee players with vasts amount of money including us,but it hasnt worked here over the few seasons and we must develop our young players...
To me we have suffered enough with recruitment and coaches trying to buy success,Madge is trying to create success on our terms,granted we are in a muddle at the moment but I honestly think it will succeed in the long run...it will take time,effort and pain but we will come out on top...
sacking coaches.paying huge overs,buying crocks hasnt got us anything except heartache...
I think we should give Hartigan and Madge the time they are here for to get us where we need to be...in the finals...I think we are heading in the right direction apart for a few hurdles that we need to get over and one of those is to get some wins...

Even with the new blokes coming through , the only one I see as Top 50 material is Stefano


Without doing the math, I can’t disagree with that Hap. You’re probably spot on . And when you think about the enormous job of turning it around, it makes even more sense to invest (time energy & financially) in development systems which will not break down, regardless of the number of disgruntled employees leaving time bombs on their way out. Why can’t they have rigid systems, procedures, growth corridors etc in place, while at the same time having managerial flexibility? Seems that when a coach gets booted we are starting from scratch again like ground hog day which lasts about 2 years. IDK, you probably have more internal knowledge than I do, but to an outsider seems like the playing group, as Lee calls it needs to reset its priorities?

And this is what I don’t get (re development systems)

Why do many new coaches etc talk about development or young players and systems etc (a lot don’t follow through ). Also what makes them experts on developing juniors (developing young players is not their expertice)

I just don’t understand why the development of juniors is affected by the coach - the clubs should have all these systems in place . I get head coach would have Influence as to who gets signed in reserved etc .. but shouldn’t the clubs be developing players in the districts and in reality the only thing that should change with change of coach is who they select in lower grades and should always be a production line or young players coming through

Absolutely Rugs, I can only theorise about what it looks like to me as an outsider? Because short term success is the standard rule of measurement, when a few losses are strung together , the torture becomes unbearable, sending club power brokers into panic.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if the back room boys have turned up the heat on Madge? Surely there has to be a skerrick of truth in some of the DT articles?

 

[izotope]

Well you get the play for the 3rd best team in the west of sydney!!!

 

[jadtiger]

Surely there has to be a skerrick of truth in some of the DT articles?

That would be a first

 

[eyewondertwo]

this isnt a new topic on the forum as it has been discussed before in previous seasons.
Perhaps living and training in the inner city may be attractive for some.Apart from a bucketload of money and or an opportunity to play first grade i cant see any other reasons for joining the tigers.
Im afraid the tigers will be the last option for many front line players who are changing clubs.There are just too many issues making the tigers unattractive options for 2021.

 

[happy_tiger]

as to why a good player / upcoming player would want to join the WT?
Seriously..I can understand the young player looking for a start (but if talented it could happen with any club, within reason) ..but without being flippant, or negative, what would entice a good player to join us, apart from $$?
What exactly do we offer to attract talent?

An open question, not sure there is an answer.

@tiger-heart that is actually a very good question.
What existing benefits would attract a player to WT?
I really can’t see many to be honest. There is the opportunity to play nrl, which could attract a good offer from another club, or prolong your career on reasonable remuneration.

What do I think would attract players if it was seen to be a certainty benefit?
ENHANCED REPUTATION.
When a player can be seen by peers and fans as being better simply by wearing a team jersey then you know your club is successful. What are we doing right now to enhance the reputation of our players? This is the question all WT employees should be answering.
It took years before Braith would even admit to being contracted at the Tigers. Another who prolonged his career at high cost to WT.
We should stamp it on the arm of everyone at the club until it becomes reality.
Wests Tigers , enhancing players reputations.

Yeah you could get the same at 13 other clubs ...and not be a 250 -1 shot of winning the title and 20-1 shot of even making the 8 .....


You can get the same enhanced reputation at 13 clubs? I disagree Hap. imo only the chooks and Storm have that benefit. OK, sure Benji has been puffing his chest out since joining the Bunnies, so to some extent the Bunnies have that benefit but not in spades like chooks and Storm. Did you think Benji was a better player when you first saw him in a Souths jersey?
I don’t think Panthers have that reputation building benefit about them after hitting 17 wins straight and looking hot favourites to hold up the Provan Summons trophy. They don’t have the same John west look about them, but maybe they’re on their way? So, it doesn’t necessarily coexist with winning. I see winning as a consequence of doing everything else. Being able to do the right thing at the right time without thinking etc.

Put yourself in the shoes of any NRL player

Why would you choose the WT's over the other 15 clubs

Career wise ......imagine how many more risks you'd have physically and mentally trying to get us to a premiership than you would any of Top 6 clubs alone

It isn't worth it for a player wanting to play SOO ,Tests Dally M awards etc

I'll be honest , for us to sign a Top 5 player we will need to attract at least 5 Top 50 players beforehand .....and that will be hard enough

Even then we only become a Top 6 side ......

I don't even think we currently have a Top 50 player .....

yes Hap I value and respect your opinion,however one point I would like to make is that apart from internal tensions,what Madge is doing with the young players and developing a solid pathway,we can produce our own top players from within...Many teams do rely on buying marquee players with vasts amount of money including us,but it hasnt worked here over the few seasons and we must develop our young players...
To me we have suffered enough with recruitment and coaches trying to buy success,Madge is trying to create success on our terms,granted we are in a muddle at the moment but I honestly think it will succeed in the long run...it will take time,effort and pain but we will come out on top...
sacking coaches.paying huge overs,buying crocks hasnt got us anything except heartache...
I think we should give Hartigan and Madge the time they are here for to get us where we need to be...in the finals...I think we are heading in the right direction apart for a few hurdles that we need to get over and one of those is to get some wins...

Even with the new blokes coming through , the only one I see as Top 50 material is Stefano

We also have Jake Simpkin,Daine Laurie,Tuilagi,Simpkins and Madden that are plying their trade and could be anything if they have the right coaching and programs in place...

So they are all leaving then lol

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

A compelling reason to join the club: Evidence has shown that you can become a star in the NRL by playing for the Tigers. Although that does not mean you will be a star *while* you are playing for them. They have been historically good at developing players, launching them into larger contracts.

If you want to have a good career, but your path is blocked or stalling at your current club, Wests Tigers is the place to be. You can spend anywhere from 1-3 years working on your game without the pressure of failure. Once you feel you are ready to earn the big bucks, you can reach out to other clubs. Those clubs know the pedigree - ex-Tigers players can be very good. Some of the best players in the game have come through here.

When you are ready to leave, you can simply walk out the door. No one will stop you, even if you have years left on your contract. And that is why you should join the Wests Tigers. Great to develop your game and use as a stepping stone to greater heights.

You may feel bad for a short while after leaving them high and dry, but there is a good chance your new club will have someone who did the same thing. They will rationalise your decision, saying it was their fault, not yours - they made you train too hard, or not enough, or they have too many home grounds, or one fan gave you a hard time because you bottled a game - it doesn't really matter the reason, because all that matters is that you are set for the rest of your career. Enjoy.

 

[gallagher]

A compelling reason to join the club: Evidence has shown that you can become a star in the NRL by playing for the Tigers. Although that does not mean you will be a star *while* you are playing for them. They have been historically good at developing players, launching them into larger contracts.

If you want to have a good career, but your path is blocked or stalling at your current club, Wests Tigers is the place to be. You can spend anywhere from 1-3 years working on your game without the pressure of failure. Once you feel you are ready to earn the big bucks, you can reach out to other clubs. Those clubs know the pedigree - ex-Tigers players can be very good. Some of the best players in the game have come through here.

When you are ready to leave, you can simply walk out the door. No one will stop you, even if you have years left on your contract. And that is why you should join the Wests Tigers. Great to develop your game and use as a stepping stone to greater heights.

You may feel bad for a short while after leaving them high and dry, but there is a good chance your new club will have someone who did the same thing. They will rationalise your decision, saying it was their fault, not yours - they made you train too hard, or not enough, or they have too many home grounds, or one fan gave you a hard time because you bottled a game - it doesn't really matter the reason, because all that matters is that you are set for the rest of your career. Enjoy.

Is there a similar program for fans

 

[hank37w]

as to why a good player / upcoming player would want to join the WT?
Seriously..I can understand the young player looking for a start (but if talented it could happen with any club, within reason) ..but without being flippant, or negative, what would entice a good player to join us, apart from $$?
What exactly do we offer to attract talent?

An open question, not sure there is an answer.

Ask Peter V'Landys. He is the man tasked with ensuring a level NRL playing field. Unfortunately he doesn't seem interested.

Put him in charge of our club then.

The guy is a doer, but he can only do so much.

 

[happy_tiger]

as to why a good player / upcoming player would want to join the WT?
Seriously..I can understand the young player looking for a start (but if talented it could happen with any club, within reason) ..but without being flippant, or negative, what would entice a good player to join us, apart from $$?
What exactly do we offer to attract talent?

An open question, not sure there is an answer.

@tiger-heart that is actually a very good question.
What existing benefits would attract a player to WT?
I really can’t see many to be honest. There is the opportunity to play nrl, which could attract a good offer from another club, or prolong your career on reasonable remuneration.

What do I think would attract players if it was seen to be a certainty benefit?
ENHANCED REPUTATION.
When a player can be seen by peers and fans as being better simply by wearing a team jersey then you know your club is successful. What are we doing right now to enhance the reputation of our players? This is the question all WT employees should be answering.
It took years before Braith would even admit to being contracted at the Tigers. Another who prolonged his career at high cost to WT.
We should stamp it on the arm of everyone at the club until it becomes reality.
Wests Tigers , enhancing players reputations.

Yeah you could get the same at 13 other clubs ...and not be a 250 -1 shot of winning the title and 20-1 shot of even making the 8 .....


You can get the same enhanced reputation at 13 clubs? I disagree Hap. imo only the chooks and Storm have that benefit. OK, sure Benji has been puffing his chest out since joining the Bunnies, so to some extent the Bunnies have that benefit but not in spades like chooks and Storm. Did you think Benji was a better player when you first saw him in a Souths jersey?
I don’t think Panthers have that reputation building benefit about them after hitting 17 wins straight and looking hot favourites to hold up the Provan Summons trophy. They don’t have the same John west look about them, but maybe they’re on their way? So, it doesn’t necessarily coexist with winning. I see winning as a consequence of doing everything else. Being able to do the right thing at the right time without thinking etc.

Put yourself in the shoes of any NRL player

Why would you choose the WT's over the other 15 clubs

Career wise ......imagine how many more risks you'd have physically and mentally trying to get us to a premiership than you would any of Top 6 clubs alone

It isn't worth it for a player wanting to play SOO ,Tests Dally M awards etc

I'll be honest , for us to sign a Top 5 player we will need to attract at least 5 Top 50 players beforehand .....and that will be hard enough

Even then we only become a Top 6 side ......

I don't even think we currently have a Top 50 player .....

yes Hap I value and respect your opinion,however one point I would like to make is that apart from internal tensions,what Madge is doing with the young players and developing a solid pathway,we can produce our own top players from within...Many teams do rely on buying marquee players with vasts amount of money including us,but it hasnt worked here over the few seasons and we must develop our young players...
To me we have suffered enough with recruitment and coaches trying to buy success,Madge is trying to create success on our terms,granted we are in a muddle at the moment but I honestly think it will succeed in the long run...it will take time,effort and pain but we will come out on top...
sacking coaches.paying huge overs,buying crocks hasnt got us anything except heartache...
I think we should give Hartigan and Madge the time they are here for to get us where we need to be...in the finals...I think we are heading in the right direction apart for a few hurdles that we need to get over and one of those is to get some wins...

Even with the new blokes coming through , the only one I see as Top 50 material is Stefano


Without doing the math, I can’t disagree with that Hap. You’re probably spot on . And when you think about the enormous job of turning it around, it makes even more sense to invest (time energy & financially) in development systems which will not break down, regardless of the number of disgruntled employees leaving time bombs on their way out. Why can’t they have rigid systems, procedures, growth corridors etc in place, while at the same time having managerial flexibility? Seems that when a coach gets booted we are starting from scratch again like ground hog day which lasts about 2 years. IDK, you probably have more internal knowledge than I do, but to an outsider seems like the playing group, as Lee calls it needs to reset its priorities?

Its going to take probably 5 years plus ......

 

[twentyforty]

as to why a good player / upcoming player would want to join the WT?
Seriously..I can understand the young player looking for a start (but if talented it could happen with any club, within reason) ..but without being flippant, or negative, what would entice a good player to join us, apart from $$?
What exactly do we offer to attract talent?

An open question, not sure there is an answer.

@tiger-heart that is actually a very good question.
What existing benefits would attract a player to WT?
I really can’t see many to be honest. There is the opportunity to play nrl, which could attract a good offer from another club, or prolong your career on reasonable remuneration.

What do I think would attract players if it was seen to be a certainty benefit?
ENHANCED REPUTATION.
When a player can be seen by peers and fans as being better simply by wearing a team jersey then you know your club is successful. What are we doing right now to enhance the reputation of our players? This is the question all WT employees should be answering.
It took years before Braith would even admit to being contracted at the Tigers. Another who prolonged his career at high cost to WT.
We should stamp it on the arm of everyone at the club until it becomes reality.
Wests Tigers , enhancing players reputations.

Yeah you could get the same at 13 other clubs ...and not be a 250 -1 shot of winning the title and 20-1 shot of even making the 8 .....


You can get the same enhanced reputation at 13 clubs? I disagree Hap. imo only the chooks and Storm have that benefit. OK, sure Benji has been puffing his chest out since joining the Bunnies, so to some extent the Bunnies have that benefit but not in spades like chooks and Storm. Did you think Benji was a better player when you first saw him in a Souths jersey?
I don’t think Panthers have that reputation building benefit about them after hitting 17 wins straight and looking hot favourites to hold up the Provan Summons trophy. They don’t have the same John west look about them, but maybe they’re on their way? So, it doesn’t necessarily coexist with winning. I see winning as a consequence of doing everything else. Being able to do the right thing at the right time without thinking etc.

Put yourself in the shoes of any NRL player

Why would you choose the WT's over the other 15 clubs

Career wise ......imagine how many more risks you'd have physically and mentally trying to get us to a premiership than you would any of Top 6 clubs alone

It isn't worth it for a player wanting to play SOO ,Tests Dally M awards etc

I'll be honest , for us to sign a Top 5 player we will need to attract at least 5 Top 50 players beforehand .....and that will be hard enough

Even then we only become a Top 6 side ......

I don't even think we currently have a Top 50 player .....

yes Hap I value and respect your opinion,however one point I would like to make is that apart from internal tensions,what Madge is doing with the young players and developing a solid pathway,we can produce our own top players from within...Many teams do rely on buying marquee players with vasts amount of money including us,but it hasnt worked here over the few seasons and we must develop our young players...
To me we have suffered enough with recruitment and coaches trying to buy success,Madge is trying to create success on our terms,granted we are in a muddle at the moment but I honestly think it will succeed in the long run...it will take time,effort and pain but we will come out on top...
sacking coaches.paying huge overs,buying crocks hasnt got us anything except heartache...
I think we should give Hartigan and Madge the time they are here for to get us where we need to be...in the finals...I think we are heading in the right direction apart for a few hurdles that we need to get over and one of those is to get some wins...

Even with the new blokes coming through , the only one I see as Top 50 material is Stefano


Without doing the math, I can’t disagree with that Hap. You’re probably spot on . And when you think about the enormous job of turning it around, it makes even more sense to invest (time energy & financially) in development systems which will not break down, regardless of the number of disgruntled employees leaving time bombs on their way out. Why can’t they have rigid systems, procedures, growth corridors etc in place, while at the same time having managerial flexibility? Seems that when a coach gets booted we are starting from scratch again like ground hog day which lasts about 2 years. IDK, you probably have more internal knowledge than I do, but to an outsider seems like the playing group, as Lee calls it needs to reset its priorities?

Its going to take probably 5 years plus ......

I don’t doubt that. It would take 2-3 years alone to get the right people in place to do the job. I’d like to think we are a year or two into that time frame and to some extent insulated against panic and changes in direction.

 

[crazycat]

We shouldnt be looking for marquee talent anyway at present.

This Club has talked re-build since we punted Sheens, and never really invested in the process. We extended our pain over a decade, and suffered the whole time for no progress.

At the moment, buying a star player is a waste. We dont have a competent squad to elevate to the next level with the addition of a stud player.

Just because you put a cherry on top of a dog turd, doesnt make it a cake.

Bingo, 100% right. Ok we maybe dont need the stud player, were westies just shout the $5 shanties at PJ's and he will be right.

But Bingo, right on. We need a serious rebuild, we do half arsed rebuilds for last 10 years. We change the Coach, we change players. We dont see our Juniors develop here! Players who have skills dont develop here.

Was Ivan a bad coach? Penrith haven't lost a game under him this year.

Is Brooks not a good 7? Why has Mitch Moses and Tedesco gone next level and not Brooks?
Why with Pat Richards and Brett Hodgson couldn't we attract a star NR1?

Its us. Wests Tigers are the problem. Sacking coaches, sacking players... dont change US. We were meant to have this Center of Excellence 5 years ago!
One thing that stuck in my head was Braith Anasta saying "[wt] did not even have enough tape for injuries". That Sucks.

We need to train, prep and develop players right. Whole outfit. Unless we magically get a Coach like Brad Arthur (who carries Parramatta inspite of itself), we wont change otherwise.

 

[OzLuke]

what the club need to focus on is the coe and the juniors it brings through.

the difference between a team put together and a team of mates who have played together forever can't be understated

look at the current penrith team. all played together forever, all mates. they are carving it up and as much as I hate to say it will probably win the comp at a canter. they are all invested in each other because of their relationship. take less to stay with each other and the process keeps on rolling.

look at the bulldogs over the next year or two. all high priced mercenaries that owe nothing to anybody. yes they are all on the same team and have a bond of sorts, but are they mates like the panthers are?? highly doubt it and I think it will show. contracts will all be in the players' favor just to land them and if it doesn't work then they'll all abandon ship leaving Barrett as the new Hasler

 

[Deleted member 3518]

this isnt a new topic on the forum as it has been discussed before in previous seasons.
Perhaps living and training in the inner city may be attractive for some.Apart from a bucketload of money and or an opportunity to play first grade i cant see any other reasons for joining the tigers.
Im afraid the tigers will be the last option for many front line players who are changing clubs.There are just too many issues making the tigers unattractive options for 2021.

That’s why you build a huge junior base , like Cini , Simpkin. And Laurie , who are elite juniors , and want to grow together . You invest the time and energy , and demonstrate the necessary patience , thus changing the cycle of getting mid tier players , or paying elite money for above average players . Which is what cycle we need to break .

 

[TigerWest]

this isnt a new topic on the forum as it has been discussed before in previous seasons.
Perhaps living and training in the inner city may be attractive for some.Apart from a bucketload of money and or an opportunity to play first grade i cant see any other reasons for joining the tigers.
Im afraid the tigers will be the last option for many front line players who are changing clubs.There are just too many issues making the tigers unattractive options for 2021.

Like what?
Winning fixes everything.