A Day in Life of Palestinians in West Bank

[DonnyBrasco]

The Palestinians have had ample opportunity to get out of this mess, but they and their arab "allies" have instead stuck to the principal of complete military destruction over Israel.

The result has been immense suffering for their own people, and a continually shrinking parcel of land that they exist on. They only have their leadership to blame for this.

If you want to look at real suffering that is not self-inflicted, why not post stories about Iraqi Christians and Yazidis living under ISIS occupation.

I guess that does not fit in with Byron's Marxist-Left propaganda however. Explain to us Bryon, the Left's world-wide love affair with Islam.

Some interesting points, but there are plenty of Christians from Palestine and ones that left to Jordan early after the conflict.
It's not just about religion, its more about land, the Golan heights and water as much as anything else.
If you had your house and land 'stolen' from you, you more than likely wouldnt be so happy.

 

[Abraham]

The Palestinians have had ample opportunity to get out of this mess, but they and their arab "allies" have instead stuck to the principal of complete military destruction over Israel.

The result has been immense suffering for their own people, and a continually shrinking parcel of land that they exist on. They only have their leadership to blame for this.

If you want to look at real suffering that is not self-inflicted, why not post stories about Iraqi Christians and Yazidis living under ISIS occupation.

I guess that does not fit in with Byron's Marxist-Left propaganda however. Explain to us Bryon, the Left's world-wide love affair with Islam.

Some interesting points, but there are plenty of Christians from Palestine and ones that left to Jordan early after the conflict.
It's not just about religion, its more about land, the Golan heights and water as much as anything else.
If you had your house and land 'stolen' from you, you more than likely wouldnt be so happy.

Of course losing land is upsetting. Just ask the Cypriots, West Papuans, White Zimbabweans, Middle Eastern Christians … i could literally make a list as long as my arm.

But you never see regressive leftists making arguments for these people, only the Palestinians.

Why?

Because the Palestinians represent a stand against a White, Western, Judeo-Christian, Capitalist boogyman... in other words, everything the Left hates.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

The Palestinians have had ample opportunity to get out of this mess, but they and their arab "allies" have instead stuck to the principal of complete military destruction over Israel.

The result has been immense suffering for their own people, and a continually shrinking parcel of land that they exist on. They only have their leadership to blame for this.

If you want to look at real suffering that is not self-inflicted, why not post stories about Iraqi Christians and Yazidis living under ISIS occupation.

I guess that does not fit in with Byron's Marxist-Left propaganda however. Explain to us Bryon, the Left's world-wide love affair with Islam.

Some interesting points, but there are plenty of Christians from Palestine and ones that left to Jordan early after the conflict.
It's not just about religion, its more about land, the Golan heights and water as much as anything else.
If you had your house and land 'stolen' from you, you more than likely wouldnt be so happy.

Don't start wars that you can't win then .

 

[Russell]

I think the Israeli quote of "We will not rest until every Palestinian is dead" says it all really.

There is no answer to that kind of hate.

 

[bp_tiger]

I think the Israeli quote of "We will not rest until every Palestinian is dead" says it all really.

There is no answer to that kind of hate.

i think both have said that, also iran who want all jews dead, so just dont side with one tell the truth.

 

[Abraham]

I think the Israeli quote of "We will not rest until every Palestinian is dead" says it all really.

There is no answer to that kind of hate.

It was actually Yasser Arafat who said that, but in the reverse.

 

[Yossarian]

I think the Israeli quote of "We will not rest until every Palestinian is dead" says it all really.

There is no answer to that kind of hate.

i think both have said that, also iran who want all jews dead, so just dont side with one tell the truth.

This will come as quite a shock to the Jewish members of the Iranian parliament…

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Can you go back Overseas please…maybe visit the West Bank first hand...

I am led to believe that it is a very difficult place for outsiders to get to - due to Israeli road blocks etc.. They don't miraculously disappear when the Great White Aussie SJW appears at the gates.

 

[PD77]

The Palestinians have had ample opportunity to get out of this mess, but they and their arab "allies" have instead stuck to the principal of complete military destruction over Israel.

The result has been immense suffering for their own people, and a continually shrinking parcel of land that they exist on. They only have their leadership to blame for this.

If you want to look at real suffering that is not self-inflicted, why not post stories about Iraqi Christians and Yazidis living under ISIS occupation.

I guess that does not fit in with Byron's Marxist-Left propaganda however. Explain to us Bryon, the Left's world-wide love affair with Islam.

Some interesting points, but there are plenty of Christians from Palestine and ones that left to Jordan early after the conflict.
It's not just about religion, its more about land, the Golan heights and water as much as anything else.
If you had your house and land 'stolen' from you, you more than likely wouldnt be so happy.

Of course losing land is upsetting. Just ask the Cypriots, West Papuans, White Zimbabweans, Middle Eastern Christians … i could literally make a list as long as my arm.

But you never see regressive leftists making arguments for these people, only the Palestinians.

Why?

Because the Palestinians represent a stand against a White, Western, Judeo-Christian, Capitalist boogyman... in other words, everything the Left hates.

You make a lot of sense Abraham. The Left generally pick and choose which cause they want to make a fuss about whilst ignoring others that don't suit their agenda.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

When you dispossess an entire population problems will always arise. This isn't limited to Israel. As Abe alluded to, West Papua, Northern Cyprus, the Assyrians/Chaldeans, Indigenous Australia… I don't recognise the white Zimbabweans as their lands were repossessed, I don't condone violence against them though.

 

[TCL]

The Palestinians have had ample opportunity to get out of this mess, but they and their arab "allies" have instead stuck to the principal of complete military destruction over Israel.

The result has been immense suffering for their own people, and a continually shrinking parcel of land that they exist on. They only have their leadership to blame for this.

If you want to look at real suffering that is not self-inflicted, why not post stories about Iraqi Christians and Yazidis living under ISIS occupation.

I guess that does not fit in with Byron's Marxist-Left propaganda however. Explain to us Bryon, the Left's world-wide love affair with Islam.

Some interesting points, but there are plenty of Christians from Palestine and ones that left to Jordan early after the conflict.
It's not just about religion, its more about land, the Golan heights and water as much as anything else.
If you had your house and land 'stolen' from you, you more than likely wouldnt be so happy.

Of course losing land is upsetting. Just ask the Cypriots, West Papuans, White Zimbabweans, Middle Eastern Christians … i could literally make a list as long as my arm.

But you never see regressive leftists making arguments for these people, only the Palestinians.

Why?

Because the Palestinians represent a stand against a White, Western, Judeo-Christian, Capitalist boogyman... in other words, everything the Left hates.

You make a lot of sense Abraham. The Left generally pick and choose which cause they want to make a fuss about whilst ignoring others that don't suit their agenda.

Not an advocate for any side but the right are no different, they will push what ever agenda best works for them.

 

[PD77]

Some interesting points, but there are plenty of Christians from Palestine and ones that left to Jordan early after the conflict.
It's not just about religion, its more about land, the Golan heights and water as much as anything else.
If you had your house and land 'stolen' from you, you more than likely wouldnt be so happy.

Of course losing land is upsetting. Just ask the Cypriots, West Papuans, White Zimbabweans, Middle Eastern Christians … i could literally make a list as long as my arm.

But you never see regressive leftists making arguments for these people, only the Palestinians.

Why?

Because the Palestinians represent a stand against a White, Western, Judeo-Christian, Capitalist boogyman... in other words, everything the Left hates.

You make a lot of sense Abraham. The Left generally pick and choose which cause they want to make a fuss about whilst ignoring others that don't suit their agenda.

Not an advocate for any side but the right are no different, they will push what ever agenda best works for them.

Maybe. I guess the frustration is that the majority of the mainstream media outlets (television at least) lean to the left or are blatantly far left like "our" ABC (which is funded by all Australians). Much easier to push an agenda when you get the majority of free-to-air coverage.

 

[Abraham]

You make a lot of sense Abraham. The Left generally pick and choose which cause they want to make a fuss about whilst ignoring others that don't suit their agenda.

The Left of today is not the Leftism of past generations.

Leftists used to be about free speech and egalitarianism, which are noble causes.

The Left of today is about identity politics, Marxism, LGBTTQQIAAP (yes thats the real acronym), they are pro-islam, anti-western, anti-religion, anti-capitalism, and love violently shouting down people who oppose them.

If you are in any doubt, look at whats happening on college campuses across the USA, you wont know whether to laugh or cry. God help us all in this country if we tread further down that path.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You make a lot of sense Abraham. The Left generally pick and choose which cause they want to make a fuss about whilst ignoring others that don't suit their agenda.

The Left of today is not the Leftism of past generations.

Leftists used to be about free speech and egalitarianism, which are noble causes.

The Left of today is about identity politics, Marxism, LGBTTQQIAAP (yes thats the real acronym), they are pro-islam, anti-western, anti-religion, anti-capitalism, and love violently shouting down people who oppose them.

If you are in any doubt, look at whats happening on college campuses across the USA, you wont know whether to laugh or cry. God help us all in this country if we tread further down that path.

The left has fractured. Many leftists still support free speech and egalitarianism. I find the far left are far too tied up in slacktivism and being outraged on the behalf of others.

I do find it funny that you've managed to throw "pro-Islam" and "anti-religion" in the one sentence though. Which is it?

Once upon a time I would have considered myself left wing, I see myself more as a centrist… Or a "conditional libertarian" as I joke to some.

 

[Russell]

I think the Israeli quote of "We will not rest until every Palestinian is dead" says it all really.

There is no answer to that kind of hate.

i think both have said that, also iran who want all jews dead, so just dont side with one tell the truth.

I am telling the truth - as I have said earlier I have been there a few times and I am disgusted with the way the Palestinians are treated in a country that WAS theirs. These people are human beings that are beings treated as animals, second class people at best. Is there any difference with the wall the Israeli people have built and what the Berlin wall was? The point is, as with a lot of these situations no one with any power cares about what is happening. Israel is just another state of the USA and so Oh! don't go there you might upset them.

 

[Abraham]

I do find it funny that you've managed to throw "pro-Islam" and "anti-religion" in the one sentence though. Which is it?

Fair point.

In the West religion is considered by default to be Judeo-Christian in nature. The left are against this.

However they are pro-Islam because in their minds islam repsesents a victim of imperialism and an enemy of western civilisation. Even though the actual beliefs of Islam would entail that every gay or atheist leftie would need to be put to death.

Not very smart these new-age Lefties.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I do find it funny that you've managed to throw "pro-Islam" and "anti-religion" in the one sentence though. Which is it?

Fair point.

In the West religion is considered by default to be Judeo-Christian in nature. The left are against this.

However they are pro-Islam because in their minds islam repsesents a victim of imperialism and an enemy of western civilisation. Even though the actual beliefs of Islam would entail that every gay or atheist leftie would need to be put to death.

Not very smart these new-age Lefties.

I treat all religion the same. I treat Islamic extremists the same way I treat fundamentalist Christians. I oppose organised religion as it tries to impose itself on secular government. Despite that, I have no issue with people having a personal God, I have plenty of friends and family whom are religious, in varying depths and faiths. They're all good people who are moderate and just want to live life peacefully and in moderate interpretation of their faith, for the most part they understand that their religion has to adapt to meet with the time as long as the basic messages of tolerance, charity and love isn't lost. That said, I have a relative whom is a sitting politician in a party that is driven by religious fundamentals and I am vehemently against that.

 

[Abraham]

I treat all religion the same. I treat Islamic extremists the same way I treat fundamentalist Christians. I oppose organised religion as it tries to impose itself on secular government. Despite that, I have no issue with people having a personal God, I have plenty of friends and family whom are religious, in varying depths and faiths. They're all good people who are moderate and just want to live life peacefully and in moderate interpretation of their faith, for the most part they understand that their religion has to adapt to meet with the time as long as the basic messages of tolerance, charity and love isn't lost. That said, I have a relative whom is a sitting politician in a party that is driven by religious fundamentals and I am vehemently against that.

I think religious organisations have as much right to lobby Politically as a Trade Union or any other special interest group. They are representing the interests of their members, who are citizens and voters like everyone else.

Like you however, i am a strong advocate that religion should not be forced on people, and there needs to be a clear separation of Church and State (religion and politics tend to corrupt each other equally).

You know that i am a Christian, and a fundamental belief in Christianity is that God gave us all free will. As such it is against the ethos of our faith to impose or impinge on another person's free will to believe or not believe.

As long as people's free will and freedoms are not hindered, then politics is a game open to all who want to play.

The Christian Democrats are the only party i can think of that are driven by religious fundamentals in Australia. Is this who your relo is an MP for?

 

[Yossarian]

Family First would be too… But they've been swallowed by the Cory juggernaut. Do they still have MPs sitting as party members? Is Bob Day's replacement still a FF MP?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I treat all religion the same. I treat Islamic extremists the same way I treat fundamentalist Christians. I oppose organised religion as it tries to impose itself on secular government. Despite that, I have no issue with people having a personal God, I have plenty of friends and family whom are religious, in varying depths and faiths. They're all good people who are moderate and just want to live life peacefully and in moderate interpretation of their faith, for the most part they understand that their religion has to adapt to meet with the time as long as the basic messages of tolerance, charity and love isn't lost. That said, I have a relative whom is a sitting politician in a party that is driven by religious fundamentals and I am vehemently against that.

I think religious organisations have as much right to lobby Politically as a Trade Union or any other special interest group. They are representing the interests of their members, who are citizens and voters like everyone else.

Like you however, i am a strong advocate that religion should not be forced on people, and there needs to be a clear separation of Church and State (religion and politics tend to corrupt each other equally).

You know that i am a Christian, and a fundamental belief in Christianity is that God gave us all free will. As such it is against the ethos of our faith to impose or impinge on another person's free will to believe or not believe.

As long as people's free will and freedoms are not hindered, then politics is a game open to all who want to play.

The Christian Democrats are the only party i can think of that are driven by religious fundamentals in Australia. Is this who your relo is an MP for?

I have no issues with special interest groups lobbying (well I do with some, but I realise their right to be able to,) I don't believe religious organisations fit into that bracket because they do not pay tax and the clear separation of church and state. That is why I am against religious parties partaking in politics.

And yes, the CDP is the party.