A NOD TO TIGERS’ FUTURE

[balmain boy]

I like how the article made a point of Fanonuku scouting for both men's and women's talent.

I am assuming this story to be true as it's very factful and likely released directly from the club, so good to hear that we are intentionally focusing on strengthening our football club for both of those two genders.

Are you talking about the press release from Wests Tigers above?

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

Wests Tigers have today announced a number of key additions to the club’s football department which will further strengthen its pathways and junior development programs.

Wests Tigers are pleased to welcome Matthew Betsey as its new Head of Pathways who joins the club after a successful stint as the Coaching and Development Manager at Cricket Australia — overseeing the growth and progress of many youngsters through cricket’s top academy.

Betsey will start with Wests Tigers in July alongside Brett Kimmorley, who has returned to the club in a Pathways and Coaching Manager role.

The 307-game halfback, who spent time with Wests Tigers as its NYC Holden Cup Coach in 2015, will take on a new role with the club working with junior development and academy set-up across the club while also focusing on coaching education.

Kimmorley’s experience will also be key for the club as he works with halves throughout Wests Tigers’ junior rugby league catchment areas.


Betsey and Kimmorley’s arrivals will also see David Fauonuku take on a new role with the club as he moves into a Junior Rugby League Coaching and Development Manager position.

Fauonuku has been with the club since 2019 — featuring as its Tarsha Gale Coach for the past few seasons — and will now concentrate on junior rugby league development as well as talent identification in both Wests Tigers men’s and women’s pathways programs.

Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe said the new additions and changes highlighted the club’s continued focus on strengthening its pathways and development programs.

Wests Tigers CEO Justin Pascoe said the new additions and changes highlighted the club’s focus on strengthening its pathways and development programs.

“On behalf of all at the club, I’d like to welcome both Matthew and Brett to Wests Tigers and congratulate David on his new role,” Pascoe said.

“As a club, we’ve made significant progress in our pathways programs and are determined to continue to improve in this space and be known as a Development club.

“These additions to our football department will ensure we not only develop the best young talent across the Inner and South West of Sydney but also retain our excellent juniors coming through at the moment,” he said. “That is why investing in these roles is crucial in producing sustained success for the club both on and off the field.”

Betsey and Kimmorley will assume their new roles with Wests Tigers in July, while Fauonuku’s new role will begin in the coming weeks
https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2021/05/31/wests-tigers-further-strengthen-pathways-and-development-programs/

I went to school with Dave.

Legend of a guy. Well done to him.

 

[jrtiger]

so I'm assuming Betsey will oversee the administrative stuff with Noddy in charge of the football related matters and Fauonuku overseeing development? stoked with all this, we're putting everything together off field.

 

[jirskyr]

Take out the COVID year as it was an anomaly and look at 2019, Parra, Cronulla and Penrith all had operating losses. All teams having much more on field success than us. It’s not how much money you’re banking it’s what you’re doing with the expenditure. Buying washed up footy players isn’t advisable.

Leagues Clubs cover those operating losses.

I think you are getting yourself all confused about what line of argument you are trying to make. Buying "washed-up players", whoever they happen to be, or investment in youth, or whatever - that's an argument about player payments, and that money is 100% covered by the NRL grant. And you aren't permitted to cut total player salaries to spend the grant elsewhere, because there is a minimum spend.

This entire thread, and the comments you responded to, is not about individual player spending, it's about pathways and junior development investment. These form part of football operations, i.e. the cost of designing a roster and developing the capacity of the players.

And then there's club operations, i.e. the cost of actually running a football club including front office, media, membership, corporate, game-day, community etc.

I think this is all obvious to you. Pascoe is responsible for the spending and profitability of the whole box and dice. If Tigers over-spend in football or club operations, he needs to find that money somewhere. Wests Ashfield provide $1.1M per year, which is not going to cover all club expenditure.

If Tigers make profit, they can tip it back into operations, ideally football operations. If WT run at a loss year after year, they have no extra money to spend on football operations, so the team is less supported.

I would think this has become obvious over the last 4-5 years, where we used to be with a fractured board and Balmain owing the NRL a few million, outdated facilities, the old "basketcase" organisation; compared with now - stable experienced head coach, centre of excellence, good young roster, smart and well funded pathways and community engagement (awabakal, these new junior appointments) etc.

So it is about both "how much money you are banking" and the expenditure. Once you get that solid foundation for several years, then you can start to see the influence on the output of the players. As Penrith fans can attest, it takes a good while to see a turn-around on that investment.

As I said, this should be all obvious to you, so I am not clear on your argument about "washed up players" (DWZ???) in a thread about club profitability and investment in junior pathways. Separate money, separate arguments.

 

[BAGNF05]

Take out the COVID year as it was an anomaly and look at 2019, Parra, Cronulla and Penrith all had operating losses. All teams having much more on field success than us. It’s not how much money you’re banking it’s what you’re doing with the expenditure. Buying washed up footy players isn’t advisable.

Leagues Clubs cover those operating losses.

I think you are getting yourself all confused about what line of argument you are trying to make. Buying "washed-up players", whoever they happen to be, or investment in youth, or whatever - that's an argument about player payments, and that money is 100% covered by the NRL grant. And you aren't permitted to cut total player salaries to spend the grant elsewhere, because there is a minimum spend.

This entire thread, and the comments you responded to, is not about individual player spending, it's about pathways and junior development investment. These form part of football operations, i.e. the cost of designing a roster and developing the capacity of the players.

And then there's club operations, i.e. the cost of actually running a football club including front office, media, membership, corporate, game-day, community etc.

I think this is all obvious to you. Pascoe is responsible for the spending and profitability of the whole box and dice. If Tigers over-spend in football or club operations, he needs to find that money somewhere. Wests Ashfield provide $1.1M per year, which is not going to cover all club expenditure.

If Tigers make profit, they can tip it back into operations, ideally football operations. If WT run at a loss year after year, they have no extra money to spend on football operations, so the team is less supported.

I would think this has become obvious over the last 4-5 years, where we used to be with a fractured board and Balmain owing the NRL a few million, outdated facilities, the old "basketcase" organisation; compared with now - stable experienced head coach, centre of excellence, good young roster, smart and well funded pathways and community engagement (awabakal, these new junior appointments) etc.

So it is about both "how much money you are banking" and the expenditure. Once you get that solid foundation for several years, then you can start to see the influence on the output of the players. As Penrith fans can attest, it takes a good while to see a turn-around on that investment.

As I said, this should be all obvious to you, so I am not clear on your argument about "washed up players" (DWZ???) in a thread about club profitability and investment in junior pathways. Separate money, separate arguments.

For me it’s pretty simple mate, the Tigers brand should be a license to print money if we get a competitive footy team. Which Pascoe hasn’t. So I’m not buying his financial rubbish that keeps getting spun, which is just a way of keeping his job.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I'm super curious how you keep a guy like Israel Folau in the Wests junior catchment when he moves to Brisbane at 15 years old, because his dad got a job there. Typical stupid Buzz article.

He didn’t say that. And cmon its buzz he never has anything good to day about us.

It’s impossible to keep them all, people move for various reasons and some of those include moving to give the kids a pathway chance to play nrl. This isn’t just for u18s kids get tapped in the U12s upwards especially out west by Panthers and Parra to play in there junior comps etc.

Wouldn’t you prefer to have a crack at keeping the next Folau or just keep letting them go which we have a bad record of.

It's exactly what he says 2nd paragraph, players of "the calibre of xxx" . He could have said players of the calibre of Munster or Inglis, if he was talking in the generalities of ability.

When people want to argue about better engagement of Macarthur juniors they alwayd seem to point to Tedesco (who was captured by Wests, that's a success indicator), Hayne (Minto to junior Eel) and Folau, who moved.

I'm still yet to see the comprehensive list of top-shelf juniors produced consistently in the Macarthur, alone or in comparison to any other district.

My personal view is - by all means consolidate your pathways from Macarthur and Balmain, but there are a tonne of juniors all over, and for me its more about talent ID from any region.

The best players on our books right now aren't even from Macarthur.

I feel we are now one of the better club at identifying talent. We just need to develop and keep them.

Melbourne Storm have made a dynasty of recruiting junior talent from QLD, you just have to look in the right places and have a nose for junior talent.

Melbourne are the bench mark of any club playing atm. So by not having a local nursery of players, does this make a myth of having one ? Roosters would be in a similar position.

Just throwing it out there not saying it is right or wrong.

There is an argument that by having a junior league, those clubs are at a disadvantage in comparison to Easts and the Storm. If you have excellent juniors, you are always on guard blocking predatory clubs from signing them. Plus there is the loss of investment both in dollars and time when you lose a good junior.

 

[jirskyr]

For me it’s pretty simple mate, the Tigers brand should be a license to print money if we get a competitive footy team. Which Pascoe hasn’t. So I’m not buying his financial rubbish that keeps getting spun, which is just a way of keeping his job.

I really don't think you understand what the role of a CEO is, but that's fine.

Licence to print money hey, it's that easy.

 

[gallagher]

Take out the COVID year as it was an anomaly and look at 2019, Parra, Cronulla and Penrith all had operating losses. All teams having much more on field success than us. It’s not how much money you’re banking it’s what you’re doing with the expenditure. Buying washed up footy players isn’t advisable.

Leagues Clubs cover those operating losses.

I think you are getting yourself all confused about what line of argument you are trying to make. Buying "washed-up players", whoever they happen to be, or investment in youth, or whatever - that's an argument about player payments, and that money is 100% covered by the NRL grant. And you aren't permitted to cut total player salaries to spend the grant elsewhere, because there is a minimum spend.

This entire thread, and the comments you responded to, is not about individual player spending, it's about pathways and junior development investment. These form part of football operations, i.e. the cost of designing a roster and developing the capacity of the players.

And then there's club operations, i.e. the cost of actually running a football club including front office, media, membership, corporate, game-day, community etc.

I think this is all obvious to you. Pascoe is responsible for the spending and profitability of the whole box and dice. If Tigers over-spend in football or club operations, he needs to find that money somewhere. Wests Ashfield provide $1.1M per year, which is not going to cover all club expenditure.

If Tigers make profit, they can tip it back into operations, ideally football operations. If WT run at a loss year after year, they have no extra money to spend on football operations, so the team is less supported.

I would think this has become obvious over the last 4-5 years, where we used to be with a fractured board and Balmain owing the NRL a few million, outdated facilities, the old "basketcase" organisation; compared with now - stable experienced head coach, centre of excellence, good young roster, smart and well funded pathways and community engagement (awabakal, these new junior appointments) etc.

So it is about both "how much money you are banking" and the expenditure. Once you get that solid foundation for several years, then you can start to see the influence on the output of the players. As Penrith fans can attest, it takes a good while to see a turn-around on that investment.

As I said, this should be all obvious to you, so I am not clear on your argument about "washed up players" (DWZ???) in a thread about club profitability and investment in junior pathways. Separate money, separate arguments.

For me it’s pretty simple mate, the Tigers brand should be a license to print money if we get a competitive footy team. Which Pascoe hasn’t. So I’m not buying his financial rubbish that keeps getting spun, which is just a way of keeping his job.

Pascoe just obfuscates.