AFL imploding

[cochise]

We've had some luck in all this

The AFL coaches have grown an NRL coaches mentality ........instead of outscoring opponents ....they want to outdefend opponents ...and it looks damn ugly on the TV

Yep , this has been a natural cycle in all sports world wide . Some sports like AFL and basketball , are unwatchable it it’s a defensive display .
Others like RL, soccer , Ice Hockey , can be amazing spectacles when they’re low scoring games .
NBA changed the rules to stop this type of stuff . AFL is screwed , because it is a sport about endurance , so if you flood the backline and tackle to the ground , you negate this . Which makes it absolutely unwatchable

Apart from NFL where because of issues with concussion the defence has been negated to a large extent.

 

[hobbo1]

We've had some luck in all this

The AFL coaches have grown an NRL coaches mentality ........instead of outscoring opponents ....they want to outdefend opponents ...and it looks damn ugly on the TV

Yep , this has been a natural cycle in all sports world wide . Some sports like AFL and basketball , are unwatchable it it’s a defensive display .
Others like RL, soccer , Ice Hockey , can be amazing spectacles when they’re low scoring games .
NBA changed the rules to stop this type of stuff . AFL is screwed , because it is a sport about endurance , so if you flood the backline and tackle to the ground , you negate this . Which makes it absolutely unwatchable

Ice Hockey could be a good watch if you could see the bloody puck !

 

[Deleted member 3518]

We've had some luck in all this

The AFL coaches have grown an NRL coaches mentality ........instead of outscoring opponents ....they want to outdefend opponents ...and it looks damn ugly on the TV

Yep , this has been a natural cycle in all sports world wide . Some sports like AFL and basketball , are unwatchable it it’s a defensive display .
Others like RL, soccer , Ice Hockey , can be amazing spectacles when they’re low scoring games .
NBA changed the rules to stop this type of stuff . AFL is screwed , because it is a sport about endurance , so if you flood the backline and tackle to the ground , you negate this . Which makes it absolutely unwatchable

Apart from NFL where because of issues with concussion the defence has been negated to a large extent.

I think they’ve moved their concepts of what good defence is. It’s about getting stops rather than tackles, because no one can touch the quarterback now (basically), it’s about limiting receivers and applying pressure .
I was listening to a podcast say , that , because of this teams are now returning to the run game , as defences have dropped back , creating more running room. Like I said , you can get 10-10 games in NFLbut be on the edge of your seat.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

We've had some luck in all this

The AFL coaches have grown an NRL coaches mentality ........instead of outscoring opponents ....they want to outdefend opponents ...and it looks damn ugly on the TV

Yep , this has been a natural cycle in all sports world wide . Some sports like AFL and basketball , are unwatchable it it’s a defensive display .
Others like RL, soccer , Ice Hockey , can be amazing spectacles when they’re low scoring games .
NBA changed the rules to stop this type of stuff . AFL is screwed , because it is a sport about endurance , so if you flood the backline and tackle to the ground , you negate this . Which makes it absolutely unwatchable

Ice Hockey could be a good watch if you could see the bloody puck !

I just look for the guy who just got wrecked , and somewhere nearby is the puck lol

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

We've had some luck in all this

The AFL coaches have grown an NRL coaches mentality ........instead of outscoring opponents ....they want to outdefend opponents ...and it looks damn ugly on the TV

Yep , this has been a natural cycle in all sports world wide . Some sports like AFL and basketball , are unwatchable it it’s a defensive display .
Others like RL, soccer , Ice Hockey , can be amazing spectacles when they’re low scoring games .
NBA changed the rules to stop this type of stuff . AFL is screwed , because it is a sport about endurance , so if you flood the backline and tackle to the ground , you negate this . Which makes it absolutely unwatchable

Ice Hockey could be a good watch if you could see the bloody puck !

Went to a Vancouver Canucks game when I was in Canada last year. Absolutely brilliant.

Very difficult game to watch on tv as you can’t see what is happening

 

[Fade.To.Black]

The top of any sport in Australia should be representing your country. Not playing again a crap suburb of Melbourne


Is that the hectic cheese? Banjo-playing dude from Storm?

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Hey just watching the news and the AFL is imploding . It’s weird ! The sport is apparently unwatchable at the moment , as well as none of thier players seem to understand what isolation means .
Their talking heads are having a field day

Loving hearing the AFL journo's crying in their saucer of milk, heard one on the radio today say "Peter V'Landys is very lucky he doesn't have to manage a truly national comp". ?Sad sacks. Wouldn't a truly national comp include Tasmania and the Northern Territory as well? ACT?
Their heads are that far up their own bums in AFL-land, it's fun to watch their brand squirm TBH.

A 'truly national comp' wouldn't have half of its teams based in one city, which is not even our largest city. It wouldn't have 3 quarters of its teams south of the Murray, it would have a team in the nation's capital, it would have at least one team north of Brisbane, it would have more than 2 teams in our most populous state, etc etc etc

PS more people live just in REGIONAL NSW than in the whole of South Australia. More people live just in REGIONAL Queensland than the whole of South Australia. Having 2 teams in Adelaide doesn't make you more 'national' than having teams in Newcastle, Canberra and North Queensland.

The NRL mightn't have teams in SA or WA, but I'd argue it's more reflective of where Australians actually live than the AFL is.

I did a review once, about population distribution wrt clubs. Of the Top 10 most populous "urban areas" in Australia, 7 of them are rugby league dominated: Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide, Goldie-Tweed, Newcastle-Maitland, Canberra-Queanbeyan, Sunny Coast, Wollongong.

So AFL can go ahead and have 2 teams in Adelaide, but they've only got 1 in the next 5, and that's a token side as it is (Gold Coast Suns).

I don't know what mechanism by which AFL considers themselves a more national sport, I can only suppose they count # States with pro teams. In that respect they have pro sides in 5 of 7 States/Territories, whereas rugby league has 4/7.

But then rugby league has a team in NZ and representation in every Pacific nation including PNG, which AFL does not have.

So by population and urban areas AFL is not dominant, by top and total TV audiences it is not dominant, by region it is not dominant. It basically has 1 extra State, of small population.

I read an interesting article the other day by the Swans chairman who was warning the AFL about PVL and rugby league's post-COVID success. This guy said basically that AFL heads in Melbourne tended to focus too much on crowds as a measurement of popularity, but were missing the factors by which NRL was strengthening and had basically trampled over Yawnion.

The one and only argument that the AFL hangs it's hat on is always crowd numbers. That is always their go-to defence when compared to the NRL.
Of course they get huge crowds, what else is there to do in Victoria besides go to the footy? The place is a dump.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Roy Masters a few weeks ago unleashed on the female AFL reporter on the ABC. It was beautiful to listen to Masters speak on the proactive approach of V'landys. This was after the reporter had suggested the AFL were considerably ahead if the NRL in returning to playing.

Was she that Kellie Underwood thing? What a hideous beast she is.
Just spouts absolute pro-AFL dribble on The Back Page. Trying to justify her job in the AFL media I guess.
Can't stand her.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

underwood is a dead set oxygen thief

 

[jirskyr]

Well they lost the television market last year by any measurement

Your comments re AFL are very interesting.

When we talk about TV ratings, does that take into account ratings in NZ ? I imagine not only the Warriors but NRL matches generally would attract some viewers, particularly SOO.

No they don't count NZ ratings, Australian market only.

edit: cochise responded already.

 

[jirskyr]

No but they count WA, VIC, SA, TAS, NT as separate markets and the NRL goes into most of them on secondary channels and has 1 team in them in total, which means the advertising $ in those states is not there.

Isn't it funny that (a) AFL can self-decide how they count their own "superiority" and (b) that NT is a separate market, when there are more people in Wollongong than the entire territory.

There are more people in Sydney alone than all of WA, SA, Tassie and NT combined.

 

[cochise]

No but they count WA, VIC, SA, TAS, NT as separate markets and the NRL goes into most of them on secondary channels and has 1 team in them in total, which means the advertising $ in those states is not there.

Isn't it funny that (a) AFL can self-decide how they count their own "superiority" and (b) that NT is a separate market, when there are more people in Wollongong than the entire territory.

There are more people in Sydney alone than all of WA, SA, Tassie and NT combined.

Yes they can and so can we. The issue comes up when you are speaking to advertisers and sponsors that want their products seen Nationally. The number of eyeballs is not always more important than the number of cities you can get your product seen.

 

[fibrodreaming]

No they don’t count NZ ratings, Australian market only.
edit: cochise responded already.

Thanks for the reply.

It seems to me if want to compare NRL and AFL head to head we should also include NZ in the discussion. NZ has an NRL team and there is definitely an interest in that country in Rugby League.

I take Cochise’s point about the population of NZ; however, NZ population (4.9 million) is larger than that of Queensland for example.

Moreover, it’s population is larger than the combined populations of WA; SA; Tasmania; and NT, all of which are major AFL markets.

I have not seen any recent TV ratings for the NRL in NZ. I did notice a Roy Morgan document reporting on TV audiences in NZ for Rugby and the NRL for the month of June in 2018 which stated that “A total of 837,000 New Zealanders (21.5%) watch Rugby League on TV”.

This seems quite a significant number to me. It’s would be like 50% of the population of SA watching the NRL in a given month.

I suspect that if we compared the comparative interest in the AFL and NRL in Australia and the Region (including PNG; the Pacific and NZ) the NRL would win hands down.

 

[cochise]

No they don’t count NZ ratings, Australian market only.
edit: cochise responded already.

Thanks for the reply.

It seems to me if want to compare NRL and AFL head to head we should also include NZ in the discussion. NZ has an NRL team and there is definitely an interest in that country in Rugby League.

I take Cochise’s point about the population of NZ; however, NZ population (4.9 million) is larger than that of Queensland for example.

Moreover, it’s population is larger than the combined populations of WA; SA; Tasmania; and NT, all of which are major AFL markets.

I have not seen any recent TV ratings for the NRL in NZ. I did notice a Roy Morgan document reporting on TV audiences in NZ for Rugby and the NRL for the month of June in 2018 which stated that “A total of 837,000 New Zealanders (21.5%) watch Rugby League on TV”.

This seems quite a significant number to me. It’s would be like 50% of the population of SA watching the NRL in a given month.

I suspect that if we compared the comparative interest in the AFL and NRL in Australia and the Region (including PNG; the Pacific and NZ) the NRL would win hands down.

Most definately it does, but it is the AFL pushing the agenda that they are more popular and when the leaders of the NRL just let that slide then the myth becomes the reality to most people.