Alex McKinnon Sues NRL

Good luck to him. He is still a young man and has on average another 60 years ahead of him in a wheelchair. I would shutter to contemplate that future for myself and hope he can claim for loss of income, quality of life, enduring medical expenses etc.

The one thing to remember which has been said is that he is suing the NRL but the NRL won't be paying up, this reason is why they would be a huge premium for insurances every year.
 
@jirskyr said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
@formerguest said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
The connection just shows that the NRL and referees don't enforce the rules that they themselves make , unless it suits them and then mainly when they have a three week crackdown. They are so slack on the rules of the game, and deserve to be woken up on a lot of aspects of the game.
I know that this is not directly connected to that lifting tackle, except to show that the NRL aren't prepared to step in and get anything out of the game, whether it's lifting, shoulder charges, head high tackles, choke holds,deliberate offside tactics near the line. Wrestling, forward passes .. voluntary tackles….. the list goes on.
They need to have the cleaners put through them and have a real look at the mess that the game has become.
It really must be a great game to survive the people who make the decisions

Yep, one only has to look at one set of six to see just how often the rules are ignored, with half of them not being played with the foot alone, before even thinking about offside or defensive technique.

Sorry, I have to admit , they did manage to get rid of punching.
That's 1 out of about 20 things that need an overhaul.

Think you've gone a little overboard there.

NRL are not going to outlaw lifting tackles, because most of them are legal. They've made that pretty clear already since the MacKinnon tackle. In fact, in my opinion, if you remove lifting then the game becomes even more of a wrestle because defenders are afraid of getting pinged for dumping an attacker, so they hold and roll and wrestle.

For shoulder charges, they have definitely gotten rid of that. There is the occasional interpretative hurdle about exactly what is a true tackle attempt and what is not, but 95% of shoulder charges are penalised and, without having incidence data, they have all but disappeared from the game. I actually wish they did not remove the shoulder charge, but it's about player safety and not my viewing pleasure.

NRL clearly do police head-high tackles, almost too much to the point that any contact even a light slap results in a penalty. It's probably a little too far on the side of caution.

Choke holds definitely get penalised, let's not be silly here. Let us not allow ourselves to think of one or two prominent exceptions to the rule to blind us that 95% of all illegal conduct is penalised fairly strictly, and only the occasional example gets through.

Forward passes, what are you talking about? Have I missed something, is there some plague of intentionally forward passes going around that nobody does anything about?

Wrestling is part of the game, you just have to live with that. A tackle is a form of wrestle and you cannot outlaw tackling obviously. It's just that some teams have become exceptionally good at testing the boundaries of what is an acceptable wrestle, and it becomes a very fine line to allow or penalise. You can't just outlaw the wrestle and it's insane to think it is a new facet to the game - it's an old ploy that teams have just become very professional about.

Voluntary tackles… well there are certainly some that go unpunished. But really, is this a big deal? Will the game be improved by a strict crack-down on the occasional dive? Mostly diving players get a nice shoulder to the ribs anyway, so it's penalised as a weak play.

The problem with certain fans is they want to eliminate grey areas from the game - this thing is legal and that is not. And they think the administration can just wave a wand and make everyone agree about how to interpret technicalities.

Bill Harrigan came in as ref's boss a few years ago and tried to do what people had been asking - break down the game into a series of very technical assessments to eliminate the grey areas, reduce the impact of personal interpretation. People were sick of one ref taking one approach, then the next week seeing something else. In other words, he gave the refs a complicated set of guidelines which ultimately saw an increase in decisions referred to the video, because only the video ref had the capacity to assess those guidelines with the aid of replays.

But then people realised they hated this - rugby league is not a game for robots, there are unlimited variations on what can happen in a play and you need a human's judgement and common sense to decide what is fair and what is not. This was especially true of the obstruction which became a real mess when you tried to break it down into a series of complicated assessments.

So they repealed most of Bill's guidelines and went with a more "common sense" approach for refs, mandating a ref's call before sending a decision to the video. They removed many of the complications around assessing an obstruction, really only keeping the "outside shoulder" idea for a block runner.

But people were still shirty about differing interpretation match-to-match, week-to-week, so NRL spent a few mill to set up the bunker - at the very least you'd have the same people making the video calls every week.

But lo, people hate the bunker too because they still manage to come up with the odd decision that the majority of fans don't agree with. So-called "howlers".

But take a step back folks, this is a fairly complicated game policed by human beings. Unless you want to take it down the road of rugby union where there is a complicated rule for every moment of every situation, and refs are blowing stupid, unnecessary and controversial penalties, and teams are slotting penalty goals all match for 3 points, then we have what is a pretty decent alternative.

Or we just go back to the 80s, where the laws were fairly flexible and refs let a lot of stuff go, and the video never got involved and replays were uncommon. But really, in this modern world of social media, snapchat, youtube and smart phones is anyone really going to be happy with a loosely policed product, where we overlook a long list of regular mistakes for the benefit of a more "fun" spectacle?

Woops that became a bit of a rant.

No morethan any other poster here,
I don't agree with most of what you said, but that's what the forum is for, ..opinions.
The number of shoulder charge penalties last year, I think infuriated a lot of us when blatantly bad ones ones were let of without a suspension, and others were worth a suspension even they weren't so bad. I'm with you that I was sad to see the SC go,
But it was inevitable thatit would at sometime,

Head contact ,and choke holds,…..a huge tamount of tackles in a game has someone holding around the head or the neck ,there's no need to touch anyone's head or neck,
Only a small amount of them ever draw a penalty.

Forward passes....you MUST be missing something , because there lot in every game, especially at the play the ball.cameron Smith is the best forward passer I've ever seen , butnot all that much more than most DHs
As for voluntary tackles
Every winger and fullback could be pinged in nearly every game for them,

Wrestling has developed from a minor thing in the game , to nowbeing one of the biggest , if not THE biggest complaint every time any polls are done on the game.
I think it can be taken out of the game if the league cracked down and actually meant it, rather than their usual 2 or 3 week faux crackdown.
The game would be more like RL again
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@king sirro said:
@pHyR3 said:
headline ignores he is also personally suing jordan mclean…pretty unfair in my opinion. its not like it was done maliciously, if that goes through and mclean is found guilty this sport will get VERY ugly very quickly.

players like taniela, dwyer and many more who had their careers ended and still have disabilities today, have a precedent to sue people involved in the relevant tackle from now on

Completely fair. Mclean deliberatley did an illegal act that resulted in the injury. Yes he didn't mean to break his neck, but he deliberately reached down and lifted. The consequences of this illegal act were catastrophic and he deserves to be sued for everything.

I dont feel sorry for Mclean one bit. He had Mckinnon, then reached down and lifted.
Yes there are worse tackles all the time, and everyone is unlucky at the result of Jordans tackle, no doubting that, but he chose to do the illegal act, and he deserves to be punished as a result Alex's injury.

If i hit someone with my car speeding and injure them, i get charged with neg driving causing harm, if i do the exact same thing but the victim dies, then im charged with Manslaughter. Same illegal act, different consequences, different punishment.

Mclean hasnt been punished at all for what he did.

Im all for Alex suing Mclean. He may even have ancase agaisnt the practices employed by Melbourne. He definitely has a case againt the NRL for not punishing lifting tackles adequately to deter players doing them.

Do you feel sorry for Sean Abbott? He didn't mean to kill Phil Hughes, but when you bowl bouncers there is always the risk of injuring the batsman.

true but what if instead of a bouncer it was a beamer?

not arguing just discussing.
 
@king sirro said:
@Tigerles said:
@underdog said:
So what will happen next is Mcleans lawyer will say that McKinnon ducked his head, and caused the injury himself.
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Lordy this will get ugly.

couldn't agree more, we wouldn't be talking about this tackle if Mckinnon didn't duck his head under his body, he would have just got a face plant, he was never in a vertical position, (coming straight down on to his head)he came down more horizontally. As harsh as it may sound, Mckinnon must accept some responsibility for the end result of the tackle.

Rediculous post.

Answer this, why did Mckinnon duck his head?

He ducked as a instictive reaction to being lifted. Very common to do that. Again, if Mclean doesnt lift Mckinnon doesn't duck.

Not totaly true. It has been stated that ducking in the tackle is a way to get to ground quicker. In either case it will be argued that his actions helped cause the result which means we are set for a nasty battle.
 
@stryker said:
@king sirro said:
@Tigerles said:
@underdog said:
So what will happen next is Mcleans lawyer will say that McKinnon ducked his head, and caused the injury himself.
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Lordy this will get ugly.

couldn't agree more, we wouldn't be talking about this tackle if Mckinnon didn't duck his head under his body, he would have just got a face plant, he was never in a vertical position, (coming straight down on to his head)he came down more horizontally. As harsh as it may sound, Mckinnon must accept some responsibility for the end result of the tackle.

Rediculous post.

Answer this, why did Mckinnon duck his head?

He ducked as a instictive reaction to being lifted. Very common to do that. Again, if Mclean doesnt lift Mckinnon doesn't duck.

Not totaly true. It has been stated that ducking in the tackle is a way to get to ground quicker. In either case it will be argued that his actions helped cause the result which means we are set for a nasty battle.

No matter what the reason.
No lift…..No Injury. The person who lifted put him in an that position.
 
@king sirro said:
@Tigerles said:
@underdog said:
So what will happen next is Mcleans lawyer will say that McKinnon ducked his head, and caused the injury himself.
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Lordy this will get ugly.

couldn't agree more, we wouldn't be talking about this tackle if Mckinnon didn't duck his head under his body, he would have just got a face plant, he was never in a vertical position, (coming straight down on to his head)he came down more horizontally. As harsh as it may sound, Mckinnon must accept some responsibility for the end result of the tackle.

Rediculous post.

Answer this, why did Mckinnon duck his head?

He ducked as a instictive reaction to being lifted. Very common to do that. Again, if Mclean doesnt lift Mckinnon doesn't duck.

all hail the king, he has spoken.
I would hardly call it ridiculous (its definitely not rediculous) just because its not your opinion
so are you saying that every player that is lifted ducks there head, don't think that's right.
to me he appears to duck his head before impact with the ground, thus getting his head/neck in a bad spot. you must remember that it wasn't a spear tackle, McKinnon did not come down vertically, He was more in a horizontal position coming down and appeared to roll his head under,
 
Wasn't it Cammy who coined the phrase 'Wouldn't have happened if he didn't duck his head"…
 
The lift came first, then the duck of the head. If the first thing doesn't happen, neither does the 2nd and Alex McKinnon would still have the capacity to walk. Pretty simple really.
 
@Fade To Black said:
The lift came first, then the duck of the head. If the first thing doesn't happen, neither does the 2nd and Alex McKinnon would still have the capacity to walk. Pretty simple really.

If the second thing doesnt happen then the first thing isnt exagerated and most likely Alex McKinnon would still have the capacity to walk.
Just playing devils advocate….
 
Tell the families of James Ackerman and Grant Cook that Alex deserves 20 million dollars. The NRL have and continue to look after him, having so far raised over 2 mill for him on top of a gauranteed job for life.
Suing them and McClean doesnt sit well with me and many others.
 
And that is your prerogative. McKinnon suing the NRL and McLean sits OK with many people as well. It all comes down to individual views on the whole situation.
Why should McKinnon not file for more compensation…..just because the families of those 2 unfortunate footballers' cannot /will not sue their respective Leagues? That doesn't make sense IMO.
 
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