America - Gun Control

[earl]

We have people on this thread convinced there's a conspiracy and multiple shooters and there's zero evidence of either other than tin-hats speculating.

This is something that amazes me. I have no idea how people make stuff up but they do it all the time. It's like logic just leaves the building.

If there were no guns in America it would be a much safer place. If there was less guns it would be more safer. There will be outcries about how wrong this comment is but it's reality.

 

[magpiecol]

We have people on this thread convinced there's a conspiracy and multiple shooters and there's zero evidence of either other than tin-hats speculating.

This is something that amazes me. I have no idea how people make stuff up but they do it all the time. It's like logic just leaves the building.

If there were no guns in America it would be a much safer place. If there was less guns it would be more safer. There will be outcries about how wrong this comment is but it's reality.

Your reality maybe.

"More safer". :roll

 

[earl]

We have people on this thread convinced there's a conspiracy and multiple shooters and there's zero evidence of either other than tin-hats speculating.

This is something that amazes me. I have no idea how people make stuff up but they do it all the time. It's like logic just leaves the building.

If there were no guns in America it would be a much safer place. If there was less guns it would be more safer. There will be outcries about how wrong this comment is but it's reality.

Your reality maybe.

"More safer". :roll

It's not my reality. The US is inherently unsafe compared to other developed countries and the primary reason is access to guns. If you can't face that fact that is your call.

 

[magpiecol]

We have people on this thread convinced there's a conspiracy and multiple shooters and there's zero evidence of either other than tin-hats speculating.

This is something that amazes me. I have no idea how people make stuff up but they do it all the time. It's like logic just leaves the building.

If there were no guns in America it would be a much safer place. If there was less guns it would be more safer. There will be outcries about how wrong this comment is but it's reality.

Your reality maybe.

"More safer". :roll

It's not my reality. The US is inherently unsafe compared to other developed countries and the primary reason is access to guns. If you can't face that fact that is your call.

You can talk and criticise till the cows come home, it will change nothing. Gun ownership is in their constitution.

Let it go.

 

[innsaneink]

Col has spoken

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[earl]

This is something that amazes me. I have no idea how people make stuff up but they do it all the time. It's like logic just leaves the building.

If there were no guns in America it would be a much safer place. If there was less guns it would be more safer. There will be outcries about how wrong this comment is but it's reality.

Your reality maybe.

"More safer". :roll

It's not my reality. The US is inherently unsafe compared to other developed countries and the primary reason is access to guns. If you can't face that fact that is your call.

You can talk and criticise till the cows come home, it will change nothing. Gun ownership is in their constitution.

Let it go.

It will change absolutely nothing. It's like telling a heroin addict that they are ruining their life. They can't see how destructive their behavior is. Still the facts are that exactly like the heroin addict American's dumb gun culture is making them less safe and causing events like the Las Vegas massacre.

I honestly thought though that you were another one on this thread trying to state that there was more than one shooter or it was a conspiracy or that the gun culture makes America safer. Hopefully you are sane enough not to state something as stupid as that.

 

[Munk]

We have people on this thread convinced there's a conspiracy and multiple shooters and there's zero evidence of either other than tin-hats speculating.

This is something that amazes me. I have no idea how people make stuff up but they do it all the time. It's like logic just leaves the building.

If there were no guns in America it would be a much safer place. If there was less guns it would be more safer. There will be outcries about how wrong this comment is but it's reality.

How can this be a reality when you have zero evidence that it will be the case? What facts are you basing your statement upon?

 

[innsaneink]

Facts/opinions… What it's come down to eh?
Pretty sound opinion if you ask me... Cant see the U.S. being more dangerous than it already is without guns, unless the population goes totally berko without their semi - autos

 

[earl]

We have people on this thread convinced there's a conspiracy and multiple shooters and there's zero evidence of either other than tin-hats speculating.

This is something that amazes me. I have no idea how people make stuff up but they do it all the time. It's like logic just leaves the building.

If there were no guns in America it would be a much safer place. If there was less guns it would be more safer. There will be outcries about how wrong this comment is but it's reality.

How can this be a reality when you have zero evidence that it will be the case? What facts are you basing your statement upon?

So if America was disarmed then the Las Vegas shooting would have been worse ? I mean at some point I think that you have to be rational. Of course you are entitled not to be and it sounds like you have chosen that option.

 

[MG1962]

So if America was disarmed then the Las Vegas shooting would have been worse ? I mean at some point I think that you have to be rational. Of course you are entitled not to be and it sounds like you have chosen that option.

It would have certainly been less deadly. He needed multiple weapons because the fire rate was so high the barrels were over heating.

If semi automatics alone had been been banned his rate of fire would have been significantly lower. Depending how much practice he had as low as 3 or 4 shots per minute.

Having tighter gun registration would have helped police identify some one possibly slipping over the edge. 33 purchases of semi automatic weapons in a 12 month period is extraordinary by any standard.

 

[tigerbenji]

I dont think they will ever change the Gun laws in the States, Its as simple as that.

 

[MG1962]

I dont think they will ever change the Gun laws in the States, Its as simple as that.

They will eventually. Up till WW2 no one really gave a crap about the 2nd amendment. Give it a bit of time and we will find something else to get our nickers in a twist over.

I would even go so far as to suggest it will be the Millennials that will eventually lead the way.

 

[Munk]

No, millenials give up too easily.
Itll take a civil war to get guns off Americans. Simply will not happen.

 

[Munk]

So if America was disarmed then the Las Vegas shooting would have been worse ? I mean at some point I think that you have to be rational. Of course you are entitled not to be and it sounds like you have chosen that option.

It would have certainly been less deadly. He needed multiple weapons because the fire rate was so high the barrels were over heating.

If semi automatics alone had been been banned his rate of fire would have been significantly lower. Depending how much practice he had as low as 3 or 4 shots per minute.

Having tighter gun registration would have helped police identify some one possibly slipping over the edge. 33 purchases of semi automatic weapons in a 12 month period is extraordinary by any standard.

This guy was hellbent on killing as many as possible, as quickly as possible. Guns were his apparatus. If he had no access to them, he may well have used bombs, gas etc…

It is not about HOW he did it. It is about WHY he did it.

 

[cochise]

Of course its about why he did it, but a society that does not consider how he was able to do this so easily is destined to have these actions repeated and repeated. Oh wait that is what is already happening!

 

[Yossarian]

So if America was disarmed then the Las Vegas shooting would have been worse ? I mean at some point I think that you have to be rational. Of course you are entitled not to be and it sounds like you have chosen that option.

It would have certainly been less deadly. He needed multiple weapons because the fire rate was so high the barrels were over heating.

If semi automatics alone had been been banned his rate of fire would have been significantly lower. Depending how much practice he had as low as 3 or 4 shots per minute.

Having tighter gun registration would have helped police identify some one possibly slipping over the edge. 33 purchases of semi automatic weapons in a 12 month period is extraordinary by any standard.

This guy was hellbent on killing as many as possible, as quickly as possible. Guns were his apparatus. If he had no access to them, he may well have used bombs, gas etc…

It is not about HOW he did it. It is about WHY he did it.

How many gassings and bombings have their been in Western countries by people not in terror groups? Of course it's about how he did it. To say otherwise is an attempt to deflect attention. Guns are simple to use, easy to use and easy to obtain without drawing attention to yourself. And you can practice at legal shooting ranges and you have a pretty certain exit strategy. The other methods you suggest do not meet that criteria. Plus I'm sure the Rambo effect and the feeling of power is a factor.
Killing people en masse is obviously a factor but the benefits guns offer cannot be dismissed.

 

[magpiecol]

Of course its about why he did it, but a society that does not consider how he was able to do this so easily is destined to have these actions repeated and repeated. Oh wait that is what is already happening!

No it's not.

 

[cochise]

Of course its about why he did it, but a society that does not consider how he was able to do this so easily is destined to have these actions repeated and repeated. Oh wait that is what is already happening!

No it's not.

So The USA does not have a problem with mass shootings? OK I was mistaken, close the thread as the topic we are talking about doesn't exist.

 

[MG1962]

This guy was hellbent on killing as many as possible, as quickly as possible. Guns were his apparatus. If he had no access to them, he may well have used bombs, gas etc…

It is not about HOW he did it. It is about WHY he did it.

He tried to use his guns to create a bomb….he failed.

Oh and good luck buying components for a bomb. Oddly enough access to even the basic chemicals is highly regulated.

Has been since a little incident in Oklahoma City,

 

[Munk]

So if America was disarmed then the Las Vegas shooting would have been worse ? I mean at some point I think that you have to be rational. Of course you are entitled not to be and it sounds like you have chosen that option.

It would have certainly been less deadly. He needed multiple weapons because the fire rate was so high the barrels were over heating.

If semi automatics alone had been been banned his rate of fire would have been significantly lower. Depending how much practice he had as low as 3 or 4 shots per minute.

Having tighter gun registration would have helped police identify some one possibly slipping over the edge. 33 purchases of semi automatic weapons in a 12 month period is extraordinary by any standard.

This guy was hellbent on killing as many as possible, as quickly as possible. Guns were his apparatus. If he had no access to them, he may well have used bombs, gas etc…

It is not about HOW he did it. It is about WHY he did it.

How many gassings and bombings have their been in Western countries by people not in terror groups? Of course it's about how he did it. To say otherwise is an attempt to deflect attention. Guns are simple to use, easy to use and easy to obtain without drawing attention to yourself. And you can practice at legal shooting ranges and you have a pretty certain exit strategy. The other methods you suggest do not meet that criteria. Plus I'm sure the Rambo effect and the feeling of power is a factor.
Killing people en masse is obviously a factor but the benefits guns offer cannot be dismissed.

You are wrong. Discovering why people feel the need in that country to mass kill their fellow civilians is far more important than banning the instrument they use to conduct the atrocities.