Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football

Rather than being overly nostalgic, the reality is that junior participation rates in many sports are dropping, esp. in full-contact sports.

NRL and other codes need to find ways to encourage juniors and new sporting parents to play their game, and gradually get introduced to more and more concepts of the elite level.

You can say all you want about 1970s Australia, but I posted in another article, that almost 45% of Sydney-siders were born overseas, so we still have a massive immigrant population. You can't expect newer arrivals from India, Hong Kong or Africa to be totally on-board with sending their kids out every weekend to tackle each other on a football field.

They need to change the pathways for modern young kids. They need to compete with more at-home entertainment options, Playstations, Switches, HD TVs etc.

If they leave it the way it was, then the junior participation rates will continue to slide.

Personally, I played league from 8 to 14 years old. I loved Wayne Pearce. I stopped playing footy because at 14 I was skinny and I couldn't reliably tackle blokes who were already 6 ft tall and growing beards. At that point these mini-men aren't just bigger than you, they are faster too. It's a complete mismatch. It wasn't fun for the super-sized kids to bulldoze small teams, and all the pep-talking in the world can't help small kids trying to tackle behemoths. There was one kid in a grade below us, I would not have even been able to wrap my arms around him.

I was 14, I didn't want to get smashed every week and lose 60-6 against the massive sides. So I was lost to playing League, despite my ongoing passions. I very much doubt I would ever have featured in any remarkable playing capacity when I finally got bigger, but that discrepancy between big and small was enough. It's an ongoing problem they can't just ignore. I started playing touch footy, and smartly enough, NRL has been innovative enough to bring that under their umbrella.
 
Also in these changes are a 50% reduction on training times and much less game time, with The season reduced to 3 months... Very concerning
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115847) said:
@Geo said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115826) said:
The 'Everyone gets a Ribbon' generation..

Your generation is responsible for that.

#justsayin

So true. Point at the finger at the generation nurturting. 10 year olds aren’t the ones deciding they want participation awards.
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115905) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115847) said:
@Geo said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115826) said:
The 'Everyone gets a Ribbon' generation..

Your generation is responsible for that.

#justsayin

So true. Point at the finger at the generation nurturting. 10 year olds aren’t the ones deciding they want participation awards.

As I said , you don't see kids complaining ...more the parents
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115847) said:
@Geo said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115826) said:
The 'Everyone gets a Ribbon' generation..

Your generation is responsible for that.

#justsayin

My kids never got ribbons...If they won a GF they got a Trophy...
 
@Geo said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115923) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115847) said:
@Geo said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115826) said:
The 'Everyone gets a Ribbon' generation..

Your generation is responsible for that.

#justsayin

My kids never got ribbons...If they won a GF they got a Trophy...

This sort of crap started when I was in my mid teens. It's just more prolific now.
 
@jirskyr said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115894) said:
Rather than being overly nostalgic, the reality is that junior participation rates in many sports are dropping, esp. in full-contact sports.

NRL and other codes need to find ways to encourage juniors and new sporting parents to play their game, and gradually get introduced to more and more concepts of the elite level.

You can say all you want about 1970s Australia, but I posted in another article, that almost 45% of Sydney-siders were born overseas, so we still have a massive immigrant population. You can't expect newer arrivals from India, Hong Kong or Africa to be totally on-board with sending their kids out every weekend to tackle each other on a football field.

They need to change the pathways for modern young kids. They need to compete with more at-home entertainment options, Playstations, Switches, HD TVs etc.

If they leave it the way it was, then the junior participation rates will continue to slide.

Personally, I played league from 8 to 14 years old. I loved Wayne Pearce. I stopped playing footy because at 14 I was skinny and I couldn't reliably tackle blokes who were already 6 ft tall and growing beards. At that point these mini-men aren't just bigger than you, they are faster too. It's a complete mismatch. It wasn't fun for the super-sized kids to bulldoze small teams, and all the pep-talking in the world can't help small kids trying to tackle behemoths. There was one kid in a grade below us, I would not have even been able to wrap my arms around him.

I was 14, I didn't want to get smashed every week and lose 60-6 against the massive sides. So I was lost to playing League, despite my ongoing passions. I very much doubt I would ever have featured in any remarkable playing capacity when I finally got bigger, but that discrepancy between big and small was enough. It's an ongoing problem they can't just ignore. I started playing touch footy, and smartly enough, NRL has been innovative enough to bring that under their umbrella.

That's what I like about Judo. In competition, the kids compete against other kids in their weight division. At practise they compete against anyone, of any size, and get used to getting belted by bigger kids pretty quickly.
I think my son lost the majority of his early bouts. Now at 14 he's as big as the 16 and 17 year olds though not yet as muscled. He can beat the older kids on a good day. I have found the will to beat the bigger kids also motivates him to doing daily exercise which is something most others don't do.
No 'participants' ribbons in Judo.
 
@twentyforty said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115856) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115841) said:
It’s the natural thing to hate previous generations. You watch in anotherv15-20 years, this generation everyone complains about will turn into the complainers themselves.


And they’ll have much more to complain about because it’s then they’ll realise how instrumental they were. Who knows they may legalise opium again and be totally oblivious?

Hang on a second. Whose the generation enabling them? Do you think it’s the 10 year olds implementing these rules or the generation or two before them? In reality it’s the generation before them that’s soft and should look at themselves.
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115946) said:
@twentyforty said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115856) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115841) said:
It’s the natural thing to hate previous generations. You watch in anotherv15-20 years, this generation everyone complains about will turn into the complainers themselves.


And they’ll have much more to complain about because it’s then they’ll realise how instrumental they were. Who knows they may legalise opium again and be totally oblivious?

Hang on a second. Whose the generation enabling them? Do you think it’s the 10 year olds implementing these rules or the generation or two before them? In reality it’s the generation before them that’s soft and should look at themselves.

This is true ...
It all starts with the schools imo
School teachers are a very different breed and have a soft mindset as they’ve never left school ..
 
From what I've seen in soccer . . . . The neutering of competition started around 12 odd years ago.
The mothers of the kids that never kicked a ball in their lives were distraught at lil poopsy-kins losing a soccer game, and coming home crying. Mummy always taught him he was the most special thing on God's good earth and that he was a champion. Then, when reality stepped in, mommy didn't like it. And as in so many other arenas, mommy didn't want to change her kid to fit in . . . oh no, just change the system. So now we don't keep score till they are 12 odd. And that suits poopsy-kins just fine, coz he doesn't have to improve or try harder . . . everyone is a winner !
Now all we have to do is to make sure that life is as even-handed as mommy. Otherwise, that kid is in counselling from a very early age.
 
@Go_You_Good_Things said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115951) said:
From what I've seen in soccer . . . . The neutering of competition started around 12 odd years ago.
The mothers of the kids that never kicked a ball in their lives were distraught at lil poopsy-kins losing a soccer game, and coming home crying. Mummy always taught him he was the most special thing on God's good earth and that he was a champion. Then, when reality stepped in, mommy didn't like it. And as in so many other arenas, mommy didn't want to change her kid to fit in . . . oh no, just change the system. So now we don't keep score till they are 12 odd. And that suits poopsy-kins just fine, coz he doesn't have to improve or try harder . . . everyone is a winner !
Now all we have to do is to make sure that life is as even-handed as mommy. Otherwise, that kid is in counselling from a very early age.

My response here would be who cares how other people raise their kids. Everyone is different. Raise yours how you want.
 
Leave the game alone,,,kids been playing rugby league for decades and learning how to win lose.Few bumps bruises and injuries along the way.If you don’t wanna play don’t play go play something else.Find it interesting at same time people want to change the rules yet girls and women participation is actually going up and up
 
@MtWarrigalTiger said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115956) said:
Leave the game alone,,,kids been playing rugby league for decades and learning how to win lose.Few bumps bruises and injuries along the way.If you don’t wanna play don’t play go play something else.Find it interesting at same time people want to change the rules yet girls and women participation is actually going up and up

Maybe there’s a correlation 🤔
 
Good point Former, there is a big difference between individual and team sports especially for kids learning some of life’s lessons/necessary skills.
 
I like the participation rules for very young kids but believe competition should start at 10 or 11 and get more intense over the years.

Lot's of anger on this thread. Why not teach your kids what you want, it's your job not society's.
 
To comment on the topic proper, the game (in fact all sports,) needs to be left alone. Sports is a zero sum game. Losing builds character and challenges kids to better themselves. It will also help them prepare for what the adult world has to offer.

This whole everyone wins mentality ill equips kids on how to deal with losing or missing out. Couple this with kids being far less able to deal with face to face interaction or confrontation and it generates a generation of coddled socially stunted individuals.

You can see the sliding scale in Gen Y. The older ends of the generation (born mid 80's,) were out riding bikes, playing sport, disappearing all day and the younger end (born toward the end of the century,) are shut ins.
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115946) said:
@twentyforty said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115856) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115841) said:
It’s the natural thing to hate previous generations. You watch in anotherv15-20 years, this generation everyone complains about will turn into the complainers themselves.


And they’ll have much more to complain about because it’s then they’ll realise how instrumental they were. Who knows they may legalise opium again and be totally oblivious?

Hang on a second. Whose the generation enabling them? Do you think it’s the 10 year olds implementing these rules or the generation or two before them? In reality it’s the generation before them that’s soft and should look at themselves.

Hang on a sec . . . . . so parents can bring up their kid however they want, but you criticise folks for conducting themselves how they want ???
Interesting.
 
@Go_You_Good_Things said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115992) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115946) said:
@twentyforty said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115856) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115841) said:
It’s the natural thing to hate previous generations. You watch in anotherv15-20 years, this generation everyone complains about will turn into the complainers themselves.


And they’ll have much more to complain about because it’s then they’ll realise how instrumental they were. Who knows they may legalise opium again and be totally oblivious?

Hang on a second. Whose the generation enabling them? Do you think it’s the 10 year olds implementing these rules or the generation or two before them? In reality it’s the generation before them that’s soft and should look at themselves.

Hang on a sec . . . . . so parents can bring up their kid however they want, but you criticise folks for conducting themselves how they want ???
Interesting.

What the hell are you talking about?
 
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Andrew Bogut rips NRL changes to junior football](/post/1115962) said:
Abc watches and Q&A viewers
everyone gets a prize

Waleed Ali army
 
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