Any Team will beat us with the right game plan

[supercoach]

Manly and Titans knew exactly what to do and basically went for it from their first set in possession.Play a very expansive game and target our right hand side. The motto has to be go wide and go often. Manly last night with better application could have scored five trys down our right side by half time.

Considering we have been told about structures and how defense has been our focus since pre season, it seems strange we are so poor in this area. Its a weakness that is not getting any better and any team wanting to challenge our right side will usually have some success.

Its not the only thing holding us back, but to me it is the most obvious

 

[stevetiger]

Its not just our right hand side. Simona is probably our best defender out wide but Richards is slow as anything.

JT and his defensive structures spin has been dumb but don't fall for it. You have to ignore those comments.

We have a lot of issues but you have highlighted something that needs to be fixed.

 

[Eddie]

It was smart play by Manly. They did not want to get engaged in a plod fest up the middle. They played to their strengths and we were exposed again.

Some of the tries we gave up, in fact almost all of them were simply not first grade standard. They were just way too easy. Sadly there does not seem to have been any notable improvement in defence.

 

[Calabrese_Tiger]

Our right hand side defense is poor, to me it looked as though Cherry Evans was steering clear of our left side and bombarding our right

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[Gary_Bakerloo]

A good post and it is basically where we are as a team.

Taylor has improved the defence, but it is up the middle. I went to the game last night and to me we won the forward battle last night, in attack and defence, and Manly going wide as much as they did is recognition of the strength of our pack. We have a good pack of forwards.

The issues are out wide. Defensively, Nofo looks lost at centre and does not seem to communicate with Naquama.

Finally, Foran is all class. What a loss he will be for Manly and they will be stuck with an average, yet very expensive halfback. Both Brooks and Moses should watch a replay of last night and watch how Foran runs to the line.

 

[bp_tiger]

it is now confirmed JT is not a coachs arse hole, i have only coached agrade, and i only have a level 2 cert, but watching last night is was clear what manlys tactics were, go wide. our defence slides and go backwards yet JT did not change it or move different players around to combat it, JT what the hell have u been working on for the last 8-9 months. as i fan iam fustrated watching that crap, because the team is only doing what he is coaching them to do.

 

[supercoach]

A good post and it is basically where we are as a team.

Taylor has improved the defence, but it is up the middle. I went to the game last night and to me we won the forward battle last night, in attack and defence, and Manly going wide as much as they did is recognition of the strength of our pack. We have a good pack of forwards.

The issues are out wide. Defensively, Nofo looks lost at centre and does not seem to communicate with Naquama.

Finally, Foran is all class. What a loss he will be for Manly and they will be stuck with an average, yet very expensive halfback. Both Brooks and Moses should watch a replay of last night and watch how Foran runs to the line.

Agreed on Foran, great footballer,got all the skills in both attack and defense and is such a competive player

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

It's a big problem when you have a defensive liability on both sides of the field.
I can't remember seeing another first grade team having the same sort of problem , especially such an obvious problem, with such young players.
There's been numerous problems that have cost us this year,( not just the halves) but the underlying worry is that their defence is not showing a lot of improvement, and their form overall is patchy at best.
What concerns me most is that if we get to the end of this season and nothing's improved in the halves, do we continue with the same players?
How far do we go before a judgement is to be made on whether they are first grade standard or not?
So far there have been glimpses of hope( Brooks a couple of games last season, andlast week, and Moses against the Dogs earlier this season and this week), but these kids aren't two or three game Rookies,
They've been given a lot more leeway than any young pairing that I can remember, for very little return.
I would think that we all want to see them succeed , but somewhere along the road, if they don't turn out to be what they were built up to be, someone will have to look at alternatives.
I still think that Brooks has the better chance of making it , but who really knows.
But unless there are some damn good indicators that there's some improvement in their ability in steering a football team around( by the end of this season) then we need to be looking at bringing in at least one experienced half or 5/8 for next year

 

[happy_tiger]

Manly and Titans knew exactly what to do and basically went for it from their first set in possession.Play a very expansive game and target our right hand side. The motto has to be go wide and go often. Manly last night with better application could have scored five trys down our right side by half time.

Considering we have been told about structures and how defense has been our focus since pre season, it seems strange we are so poor in this area. Its a weakness that is not getting any better and any team wanting to challenge our right side will usually have some success.

Its not the only thing holding us back, but to me it is the most obvious

If they can carry out the game plan yes , we will struggle

And I think we can see the issues , our issues start in the centre of the ruck and work outwards Very few players trust the blokes beside them

 

[Demps]

Foran sure is a rig.

 

[Telltails]

It's a big problem when you have a defensive liability on both sides of the field.
I can't remember seeing another first grade team having the same sort of problem , especially such an obvious problem, with such young players.
There's been numerous problems that have cost us this year,( not just the halves) but the underlying worry is that their defence is not showing a lot of improvement, and their form overall is patchy at best.
What concerns me most is that if we get to the end of this season and nothing's improved in the halves, do we continue with the same players?
How far do we go before a judgement is to be made on whether they are first grade standard or not?
So far there have been glimpses of hope( Brooks a couple of games last season, andlast week, and Moses against the Dogs earlier this season and this week), but these kids aren't two or three game Rookies,
They've been given a lot more leeway than any young pairing that I can remember, for very little return.
I would think that we all want to see them succeed , but somewhere along the road, if they don't turn out to be what they were built up to be, someone will have to look at alternatives.
I still think that Brooks has the better chance of making it , but who really knows.
But unless there are some damn good indicators that there's some improvement in their ability in steering a football team around( by the end of this season) then we need to be looking at bringing in at least one experienced half or 5/8 for next year

Has it not been made very clear that we will not be buying any new players next year - or did I just imagine that ?

 

[Newtown]

Our 5/8 and 1/2 are by far the most defensively fragile combination in the competition. Any team with big forwards that attacks this area consistently will always finish on top. No ifs or buts. Wests Tigers can defensively tolerate one of these current halves but not two. The club has to stop deluding itself by consistently playing the current halves combination. We need a new strong halve or five eight to balance our glaring defensive weakness.

 

[larrycorowa]

Its a broken record you guys are playing. We can't afford to buy any players. We are working with the ones we have got. They are a work in progress. An underdone Nofo has played 3 NRL games at centre. Our halves have work to do defensively, but we have clearly improved in defence. Last week we comprehensively beat the premiers with the same players and game plan. Taylor is not a bad coach. He is working under some constraints with very inexperienced players.

 

[Russell]

Our 5/8 and 1/2 are by far the most defensively fragile combination in the competition. Any team with big forwards that attacks this area consistently will always finish on top. No ifs or buts. Wests Tigers can defensively tolerate one of these current halves but not two. The club has to stop deluding itself by consistently playing the current halves combination. We need a new strong halve or five eight to balance our glaring defensive weakness.

And this money is coming from?

Do you know of a benevolent fairy or something!!!!

There is no MONEY, The halves are staying.

What you should be saying is - can the forwards dominate so the halves can do something. Moses dis despite them.

 

[liltiger]

Our defence against manly was hopeless is it just
Me, I see no intensity from our defensive line we take 2 - 3 steps forward and allow the opposition to run at us were hardly ever in their faces, also our ruck speed is abysmal tapau is the only player to regularly play the ball quick woods does as well when he's not trying to milk penalties but our play the ball speed needs to be improved ASAP were just way to slow and are constantly being dominated

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

It's a big problem when you have a defensive liability on both sides of the field.
I can't remember seeing another first grade team having the same sort of problem , especially such an obvious problem, with such young players.
There's been numerous problems that have cost us this year,( not just the halves) but the underlying worry is that their defence is not showing a lot of improvement, and their form overall is patchy at best.
What concerns me most is that if we get to the end of this season and nothing's improved in the halves, do we continue with the same players?
How far do we go before a judgement is to be made on whether they are first grade standard or not?
So far there have been glimpses of hope( Brooks a couple of games last season, andlast week, and Moses against the Dogs earlier this season and this week), but these kids aren't two or three game Rookies,
They've been given a lot more leeway than any young pairing that I can remember, for very little return.
I would think that we all want to see them succeed , but somewhere along the road, if they don't turn out to be what they were built up to be, someone will have to look at alternatives.
I still think that Brooks has the better chance of making it , but who really knows.
But unless there are some damn good indicators that there's some improvement in their ability in steering a football team around( by the end of this season) then we need to be looking at bringing in at least one experienced half or 5/8 for next year

Has it not been made very clear that we will not be buying any new players next year - or did I just imagine that ?

He's said that they are getting better in defence too :astonished:

 

[hobbo]

It's a big problem when you have a defensive liability on both sides of the field.
I can't remember seeing another first grade team having the same sort of problem , especially such an obvious problem, with such young players.
There's been numerous problems that have cost us this year,( not just the halves) but the underlying worry is that their defence is not showing a lot of improvement, and their form overall is patchy at best.
What concerns me most is that if we get to the end of this season and nothing's improved in the halves, do we continue with the same players?
How far do we go before a judgement is to be made on whether they are first grade standard or not?
So far there have been glimpses of hope( Brooks a couple of games last season, andlast week, and Moses against the Dogs earlier this season and this week), but these kids aren't two or three game Rookies,
They've been given a lot more leeway than any young pairing that I can remember, for very little return.
I would think that we all want to see them succeed , but somewhere along the road, if they don't turn out to be what they were built up to be, someone will have to look at alternatives.
I still think that Brooks has the better chance of making it , but who really knows.
But unless there are some damn good indicators that there's some improvement in their ability in steering a football team around( by the end of this season) then we need to be looking at bringing in at least one experienced half or 5/8 for next year

Has it not been made very clear that we will not be buying any new players next year - or did I just imagine that ?

He's said that they are getting better in defence too :astonished:

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Mad Monday will be here soon enough :laughing:

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[Geo]

:roll

Mad Monday will be here soon enough :laughing:

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Only 9 days left to sign David Fa'alogo…

 

[hobbo]

:roll

Mad Monday will be here soon enough :laughing:

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Only 9 days left to sign David Fa'alogo…

To play or to coach ? :laughing:

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[Geo]

:roll

Mad Monday will be here soon enough :laughing:

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Only 9 days left to sign David Fa'alogo…

To play or to coach ? :laughing:

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Ummm…to go on the Mad Monday celebrations with the Coach,,, 😕