Are they playing for the coach?

[Russell]

My biggest issue is Joey Leilua. With a rookie winger next to him Leilua should have been leading the way with talk and reassurance. Far from it he left him posted. This is the reason he has to go. The player selected at left centre has to talk and provide reassurance to Kepaoa.

He was as bad with AJ as Mbye was with Hoffman.

 

[Russell]

I watched again we were not as bad as we are carrying on.

- mbye wasn’t actually that bad @ 9 but would still rather not have him at 9 but can understand not putting Simpkin against the roosters
- AJ wasn’t that bad I’m
- Joey wasn’t that bad but lack of involvement and flat footed D not good enough
- yes brooks kicking game and few Defence reads were not good but showed glimpses and had a dig
- some of the forwards are coming along nicely talau coming into his own, the young parra forward Stefano puts a smile on your face
- garner and che had some good touches

Biggest concern is douei he looked void of any spark which I can’t put my finger down to but is the most concerning.

Not many 7 would do much with a 6 like that and a forward pack getting beaten

They are playing for the coach but the coach needs to find the right balance ASAP.

This is a fair assessment. Mbye stifles the attack a little at hooker but he is a quality utility player. We really needed Doueihi to step up but he was poor.

Maybe give him more than 1 game - even in his first game he was better than most of the backs.

 

[Geo]

It's a load of bull...Play for yourself..

 

[earl]

I watched again we were not as bad as we are carrying on.

- mbye wasn’t actually that bad @ 9 but would still rather not have him at 9 but can understand not putting Simpkin against the roosters
- AJ wasn’t that bad I’m
- Joey wasn’t that bad but lack of involvement and flat footed D not good enough
- yes brooks kicking game and few Defence reads were not good but showed glimpses and had a dig
- some of the forwards are coming along nicely talau coming into his own, the young parra forward Stefano puts a smile on your face
- garner and che had some good touches

Biggest concern is douei he looked void of any spark which I can’t put my finger down to but is the most concerning.

Not many 7 would do much with a 6 like that and a forward pack getting beaten

They are playing for the coach but the coach needs to find the right balance ASAP.

This is a fair assessment. Mbye stifles the attack a little at hooker but he is a quality utility player. We really needed Doueihi to step up but he was poor.

Maybe give him more than 1 game - even in his first game he was better than most of the backs.

I'd give the spine a lot more time. We don't have a choice. We are all in for this season. Let's reassess later.

There is no need to run around like headless chocks and overreact.

 

[hobbo1]

It's a load of bull...Play for yourself..

Yells out ..
“ do it for yourself “
😆

 

[Geo]

It's a load of bull...Play for yourself..

Yells out ..
“ do it for yourself “
?

Just cause you lose..

Are Manly playing for Dessie, Doggies for Barrett..Donkey's for Kevvy..oh Storm lost are they for Belly..cracks..

 

[Newtown]

I can't work out why we never do any plays that go through the hands or put on any backline moves. Our whole attack is give the ball one out and let that player run with it while everyone else stands and watches (looks like watching an u8s game).

Then once in every 50 plays Brooks premeditates an inside ball and passes it despite the man on the inside being covered by two props to receive a hospital pass.

Because none of the edges outside of Garner , are running at pace , so brooks looks to the edge , same as Laurie , and there’s nothing on , so they go back inside .

Yeah that's what I'm saying. No one is deep and no one runs onto anything. They all just stand there and watch

That's also a common problem with young Under 8s.

 

[TCL]

When you re-sign, select, support and defend a player like Luke Brooks you tie yourself to his fortunes.

The coach will go down with the ship.

He never should have re-signed him and all this negatively Maguire is copping now is his own stupid fault.


Don’t stop at Brooks. Currently, 2 of our rejects are in the starting 17 for one of the premiership heavyweights (Momo and Huth), while we have bums like Garner and BJ. And yes, even Benji. He’s running around in another top 4 side. “But but his defence sucked”. Well lucky we got rid of him then, cos it’s so much better without him.

I dont think this a reasonable example, you take an average player out of an average team and put them into a performing team and they will look better than they did in the average team.

Comparing Momo and Huth to Garner and BJ is splitting hairs, you put Garner and BJ in the panthers team and they would look better as well.

I do agree now that we probably should have kept momo and let BJ go but back then i was under the illusion that BJ would be better for us and i would imagine that the entire coaching staff would have been thinking the same.

 

[BZN]

Yes they are.
- Garner was much better defensively this week - didn't miss a tackle.
- Stefano is already getting better. 38 minutes this week, up from 33 last.

Just a few players who are dragging the chain. The Leilua brothers were really bad today. I think Joey makes his brother play worse.

One other thing I noticed was Liddle running a lot more. As bad as the team was, there were definitely some players trying hard to fix things they struggled with last week, on the coaches advice I'm sure

We're not that far away IMO. Most of the problems are caused by small issues like ruck speed and a single player not doing their job in a structure at a particular time. Can be fixed quickly, and once it clicks we'll be all good.


To me it all comes down to attitude. It was very poor in the second half. That is the coaches job, getting them in the right frame of mind.

:+1: :+1: :+1:

 

[hobbo1]

It's a load of bull...Play for yourself..

Yells out ..
“ do it for yourself “
?

Just cause you lose..

Are Manly playing for Dessie, Doggies for Barrett..Donkey's for Kevvy..oh Storm lost are they for Belly..cracks..

I got a headache

 

[Telltails]

When you re-sign, select, support and defend a player like Luke Brooks you tie yourself to his fortunes.

The coach will go down with the ship.

He never should have re-signed him and all this negatively Maguire is copping now is his own stupid fault.


Don’t stop at Brooks. Currently, 2 of our rejects are in the starting 17 for one of the premiership heavyweights (Momo and Huth), while we have bums like Garner and BJ. And yes, even Benji. He’s running around in another top 4 side. “But but his defence sucked”. Well lucky we got rid of him then, cos it’s so much better without him.

I dont think this a reasonable example, you take an average player out of an average team and put them into a performing team and they will look better than they did in the average team.

Comparing Momo and Huth to Garner and BJ is splitting hairs, you put Garner and BJ in the panthers team and they would look better as well.

I do agree now that we probably should have kept momo and let BJ go but back then i was under the illusion that BJ would be better for us and i would imagine that the entire coaching staff would have been thinking the same.

Great players in key positions - not since 2005 and some would argue not even then.

 

[BZN]

They’re not a top 4 squad but they’re also nowhere near as bad as they have been in the first two rounds. There is no structure and they don’t seem to care - there is no motivation.

With the exception of Mbye every player yesterday was signed or re-signed by Madge. This is his 3rd year at the helm and we’ve seen a gradually better roster contrasted with a consistent decline in performances. Regardless of his previous success, he’s been unable to get this team going. We look worse than last year.

This is what irritates me so much. Why are they getting worse? We have a significantly better roster than years past but aren't even putting up a fight

Even though they lost yesterday, the Sharks tried their absolute guts out for an unheralded coach under a heap of pressure. That’s a team playing for their coach that genuinely cares.

So they wouldn’t have played their guts out if Morris wasn’t the coach? They didn’t play for the pride of the jersey and the pride of their own performance to keep their jobs.

I don’t know, but I do know good coaches motivate their players. Ours can’t. We’ve given up more than 26 points 13 games in a row and won 2 of our last 12 games. Disgusting.

:+1: :+1: :+1:

 

[jirskyr]

You judge unity when a team is under pressure.
We have none.
We have a massive issue with this squad be it coach or whatever.

How do you measure "unity" exactly? Effort? Positivity? Visible passion? Talk? No missed tackles? Sounds very nebulous to me, what you might be looking for.

It can’t be measured but it’s bleeding obvious when it’s there and when it’s not.

And do you predict we'll see unity when we win matches and lack of unity when we lose matches?

 

[BZN]

They’re not a top 4 squad but they’re also nowhere near as bad as they have been in the first two rounds. There is no structure and they don’t seem to care - there is no motivation.

With the exception of Mbye every player yesterday was signed or re-signed by Madge. This is his 3rd year at the helm and we’ve seen a gradually better roster contrasted with a consistent decline in performances. Regardless of his previous success, he’s been unable to get this team going. We look worse than last year.

This is what irritates me so much. Why are they getting worse? We have a significantly better roster than years past but aren't even putting up a fight

Even though they lost yesterday, the Sharks tried their absolute guts out for an unheralded coach under a heap of pressure. That’s a team playing for their coach that genuinely cares.

So they wouldn’t have played their guts out if Morris wasn’t the coach? They didn’t play for the pride of the jersey and the pride of their own performance to keep their jobs.

I don’t know, but I do know good coaches motivate their players. Ours can’t. We’ve given up more than 26 points 13 games in a row and won 2 of our last 12 games. Disgusting.

I don’t think any supporter including myself is happy with the performance of our team. It’s simply not good enough. I don’t think madge is faultless in this , but I think it’s a cop out to the players to say it’s all the coaches fault or that they aren’t playing for him.

He’s the only constant.

When I see madge dropping the ball cold, missin simple one on one tackles and constantly giving the opposition 7 tackle sets then I’d be happy to blame him. Id say the most influential constant has been Brooks.

Madge re-signed Brooks.

Ivan Cleary choose brooks over Moses. Madge re-signed him. 150 games in and the guy hasn’t got it. That’s on him not on the coach.

“Let me ask you, Luke Brooks played in is his 150th game today and this is his eighth season in the NRL,” Hooper asked Corey Parker.

“A couple of those last play kicks that are gifting the Chooks seven tackle sets. They are not the actions of a halfback that is steering his side around.”

Correct, and under Cleary he was Dally M halfback of the year. He’s regressed under Madge to be no longer NRL standard.

So if the players play well the coach is the reason. And if the players play bad it’s the coaches fault. So there is no onus on the player to perform at all. Might try that in my job, blame my boss when I don’t perform and take no ownership for my own performance. Wonder how that will go?

[/QUOTE]

Only problem was...I will guarantee he was a narcissist and had little to no respect for the blokes like me that were doing the hard yakka every day and night, and morale plummeted, including mine, and was a major reason in my early retirement.
There is nothing wrong in being a hard task master, as long as you are fair and respectful.
It seems to be well known that Madge is a hard task master.
But it seems to me he is not capable of lifting player morale when its needed most as it seems he doesn't have the respect of the bulk of the players.
Also our new captain doesnt seem to be having a positive effect on the team...it seems he has suddenly transformed and is fitting the role of our famed 'plodders'
For me personally...I'll take Robbo, Bellyache or Wayne Bennett any day as our coach.
I've been a Madge supporter, but our disgusting performance against the Rorters has me starting to think we should replace him sooner rather than later.
For the sake of all our frustrated supporters...I hope I am proven wrong.

 

[izotope]

When you re-sign, select, support and defend a player like Luke Brooks you tie yourself to his fortunes.

The coach will go down with the ship.

He never should have re-signed him and all this negatively Maguire is copping now is his own stupid fault.


Don’t stop at Brooks. Currently, 2 of our rejects are in the starting 17 for one of the premiership heavyweights (Momo and Huth), while we have bums like Garner and BJ. And yes, even Benji. He’s running around in another top 4 side. “But but his defence sucked”. Well lucky we got rid of him then, cos it’s so much better without him.

I dont think this a reasonable example, you take an average player out of an average team and put them into a performing team and they will look better than they did in the average team.

Comparing Momo and Huth to Garner and BJ is splitting hairs, you put Garner and BJ in the panthers team and they would look better as well.

I do agree now that we probably should have kept momo and let BJ go but back then i was under the illusion that BJ would be better for us and i would imagine that the entire coaching staff would have been thinking the same.

Great players in key positions - not since 2005 and some would argue not even then.

We'll we did have an organising half then, and then 2008/09 (i think) when we had robert lui.

No surprise we havnt made any finals since

 

[DGilly]

I can't work out why we never do any plays that go through the hands or put on any backline moves. Our whole attack is give the ball one out and let that player run with it while everyone else stands and watches (looks like watching an u8s game).

Then once in every 50 plays Brooks premeditates an inside ball and passes it despite the man on the inside being covered by two props to receive a hospital pass.

Because none of the edges outside of Garner , are running at pace , so brooks looks to the edge , same as Laurie , and there’s nothing on , so they go back inside .

Yeah that's what I'm saying. No one is deep and no one runs onto anything. They all just stand there and watch

That's also a common problem with young Under 8s.

Yeah hahah I said in another post that they literally look like an u8s team

 

[Swordy]

They’re not a top 4 squad but they’re also nowhere near as bad as they have been in the first two rounds. There is no structure and they don’t seem to care - there is no motivation.

With the exception of Mbye every player yesterday was signed or re-signed by Madge. This is his 3rd year at the helm and we’ve seen a gradually better roster contrasted with a consistent decline in performances. Regardless of his previous success, he’s been unable to get this team going. We look worse than last year.

This is what irritates me so much. Why are they getting worse? We have a significantly better roster than years past but aren't even putting up a fight

Even though they lost yesterday, the Sharks tried their absolute guts out for an unheralded coach under a heap of pressure. That’s a team playing for their coach that genuinely cares.

So they wouldn’t have played their guts out if Morris wasn’t the coach? They didn’t play for the pride of the jersey and the pride of their own performance to keep their jobs.

I don’t know, but I do know good coaches motivate their players. Ours can’t. We’ve given up more than 26 points 13 games in a row and won 2 of our last 12 games. Disgusting.

I don’t think any supporter including myself is happy with the performance of our team. It’s simply not good enough. I don’t think madge is faultless in this , but I think it’s a cop out to the players to say it’s all the coaches fault or that they aren’t playing for him.

He’s the only constant.

When I see madge dropping the ball cold, missin simple one on one tackles and constantly giving the opposition 7 tackle sets then I’d be happy to blame him. Id say the most influential constant has been Brooks.

Madge re-signed Brooks.

Ivan Cleary choose brooks over Moses. Madge re-signed him. 150 games in and the guy hasn’t got it. That’s on him not on the coach.

“Let me ask you, Luke Brooks played in is his 150th game today and this is his eighth season in the NRL,” Hooper asked Corey Parker.

“A couple of those last play kicks that are gifting the Chooks seven tackle sets. They are not the actions of a halfback that is steering his side around.”

Correct, and under Cleary he was Dally M halfback of the year. He’s regressed under Madge to be no longer NRL standard.

So if the players play well the coach is the reason. And if the players play bad it’s the coaches fault. So there is no onus on the player to perform at all. Might try that in my job, blame my boss when I don’t perform and take no ownership for my own performance. Wonder how that will go?

Only problem was...I will guarantee he was a narcissist and had little to no respect for the blokes like me that were doing the hard yakka every day and night, and morale plummeted, including mine, and was a major reason in my early retirement.
There is nothing wrong in being a hard task master, as long as you are fair and respectful.
It seems to be well known that Madge is a hard task master.
But it seems to me he is not capable of lifting player morale when its needed most as it seems he doesn't have the respect of the bulk of the players.
Also our new captain doesnt seem to be having a positive effect on the team...it seems he has suddenly transformed and is fitting the role of our famed 'plodders'
For me personally...I'll take Robbo, Bellyache or Wayne Bennett any day as our coach.
I've been a Madge supporter, but our disgusting performance against the Rorters has me starting to think we should replace him sooner rather than later.
For the sake of all our frustrated supporters...I hope I am proven wrong.

Great post mate, and I can relate to the work issue with the new boss etc. Frustrating and in the end it was (and still is) an issue for my old workplace.

However, I don't think you can judge a new club captain after such a short timeframe. I thought he was one of our worst performers on the weekend. Something unusual was happening. Extremely poor games from Tamou, Douehi, Luciano, Kepoa, and a few others that normally wouldnt be that bad on their worst day. Add to that BJ playing the worst game I have seen any player EVER play in our jersey, and an average game at best from Brooks and a few others.

Every team has at least one game in them each year where you just go home and forget it happened. There is also no doubt Bellamy and Robinson would be great coaches, but I dont and never have put Bennett in that class. His success is only when money is there, and when it dries up, he's gone.

Changing coaches is more than respraying a new name in the car park space and new masking tape at the top of the locker. At any normal club, it takes 2 to 3 years. Our club has been a basket case for far longer than that. You cannot deny the coaches record and credentials. He was recently chased by Melbourne Strom no less.

Rebuilding a culture is more than a few seasons. the Broncos will discover that, and they are arguably the most powerful and strongest sporting franchise in Australia in any code.

If the players arent playing for the coach (and I dont believe that for a second), then they can trot off on their merry way, because the coach is now setting the club up with the culture, not the players. The last 10 years has a culture set up by Woods, Benji, Farah, Moses and others, all of which we are better off without. The coach is setting the tone and our players get on board or get 'you know what'. We will get those on board that want to be part of our culture but it will take time. Even still, you have players like Benji and Anasta rubbishing the club because of their experiences and shortfalls. Its a tough trot for ANY coach. If Bellamy arrived tomorrow, it would still be at very least 3 years for a consistent change in culture and results.

I'm staying with the coach and a change in culture, because god knows we need it.

 

[The_Patriot]

The coach is standing by Brooks.

Way to go down with the ship lol

 

[CarltonDry]

They’re not a top 4 squad but they’re also nowhere near as bad as they have been in the first two rounds. There is no structure and they don’t seem to care - there is no motivation.

With the exception of Mbye every player yesterday was signed or re-signed by Madge. This is his 3rd year at the helm and we’ve seen a gradually better roster contrasted with a consistent decline in performances. Regardless of his previous success, he’s been unable to get this team going. We look worse than last year.

This is what irritates me so much. Why are they getting worse? We have a significantly better roster than years past but aren't even putting up a fight

Even though they lost yesterday, the Sharks tried their absolute guts out for an unheralded coach under a heap of pressure. That’s a team playing for their coach that genuinely cares.

So they wouldn’t have played their guts out if Morris wasn’t the coach? They didn’t play for the pride of the jersey and the pride of their own performance to keep their jobs.

I don’t know, but I do know good coaches motivate their players. Ours can’t. We’ve given up more than 26 points 13 games in a row and won 2 of our last 12 games. Disgusting.

I don’t think any supporter including myself is happy with the performance of our team. It’s simply not good enough. I don’t think madge is faultless in this , but I think it’s a cop out to the players to say it’s all the coaches fault or that they aren’t playing for him.

He’s the only constant.

When I see madge dropping the ball cold, missin simple one on one tackles and constantly giving the opposition 7 tackle sets then I’d be happy to blame him. Id say the most influential constant has been Brooks.

Madge re-signed Brooks.

Ivan Cleary choose brooks over Moses. Madge re-signed him. 150 games in and the guy hasn’t got it. That’s on him not on the coach.

“Let me ask you, Luke Brooks played in is his 150th game today and this is his eighth season in the NRL,” Hooper asked Corey Parker.

“A couple of those last play kicks that are gifting the Chooks seven tackle sets. They are not the actions of a halfback that is steering his side around.”

Correct, and under Cleary he was Dally M halfback of the year. He’s regressed under Madge to be no longer NRL standard.

So if the players play well the coach is the reason. And if the players play bad it’s the coaches fault. So there is no onus on the player to perform at all. Might try that in my job, blame my boss when I don’t perform and take no ownership for my own performance. Wonder how that will go?

Only problem was...I will guarantee he was a narcissist and had little to no respect for the blokes like me that were doing the hard yakka every day and night, and morale plummeted, including mine, and was a major reason in my early retirement.
There is nothing wrong in being a hard task master, as long as you are fair and respectful.
It seems to be well known that Madge is a hard task master.
But it seems to me he is not capable of lifting player morale when its needed most as it seems he doesn't have the respect of the bulk of the players.
Also our new captain doesnt seem to be having a positive effect on the team...it seems he has suddenly transformed and is fitting the role of our famed 'plodders'
For me personally...I'll take Robbo, Bellyache or Wayne Bennett any day as our coach.
I've been a Madge supporter, but our disgusting performance against the Rorters has me starting to think we should replace him sooner rather than later.
For the sake of all our frustrated supporters...I hope I am proven wrong.

Yep he's a poor man manager and he has form. I can't believe the club extended him without improving the team ?‍♂️

 

[BAGNF05]

You judge unity when a team is under pressure.
We have none.
We have a massive issue with this squad be it coach or whatever.

How do you measure "unity" exactly? Effort? Positivity? Visible passion? Talk? No missed tackles? Sounds very nebulous to me, what you might be looking for.

It can’t be measured but it’s bleeding obvious when it’s there and when it’s not.

And do you predict we'll see unity when we win matches and lack of unity when we lose matches?

It can be there when you lose, see the Raiders and (first) Panthers losses last year. It’s nowhere to be seen now.