ARTICLE - Taylor appointment groundhog day for Wests Tigers
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GNR4LIFE
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Wests Tigers fans have taken to social media to show their disapproval towards the appointment of their new head coach Jason Taylor.
His three-year deal has been met with a large degree skepticism – and for good reason.
It is no secret that the majority of Tigers fans hoped for Mick Potter to be given another season to lead the team free from distractions from the board. Instead Potter was sacked and the club found itself in a similar situation to the one they were in heading into the 2012 off-season.
Similarly that time saw an acrimonious departure of the head coach, back room issues, an endless rumour mill of potential new coaches and of course their on-field statistically average record.
Admittedly the club is in a better position with the roster than it was at the end of 2012\. They have had some cases of addition by subtraction while key players have been secured long-term.
Unfortunately, the Tigers will approach the 2015 season with a coach who will attempt to enforce his stamp on the team. Taylor is still yet to truly establish himself in the NRL and to have questionable control over the squad will certainly not help.
If Potter lacked in his communication skills then surely a man who was punched in the face by one of his own players may endure the same difficulties in relating his messages.
I understand the club’s predicament of being strapped for cash while the pool of elite coaches are scarce. Though their CEO Grant Mayer is optimistic the appointment will lead to a premiership in Taylor’s third and final contract year while also predicting a finals berth the next two seasons.
Certainly a positive expectation but there is nothing to suggest that Taylor is a coach capable of guiding any side, particularly one with developmental players in need of stern discipline, to a premiership.
Taylor’s 46 per cent winning record during his four seasons as a head coach with both Parramatta and South Sydney makes for underwhelming reading. However, he was responsible for South Sydney’s first forage into finals football in 18 years after finishing the season inside the eight in 2007.
By the same token, the arrival of Russell Crowe and Peter Holmes a Court in 2006 paved the way for some major signings. Internationals Nigel Vagana, Roy Asotasi, David Kidwell and Jeremy Smith were all added to the squad along with Dean Widders and late 2006 acquisition David Peachey. That season also marked the debut of Isaac Luke, joining John Sutton, Luke Stuart and Scott Geddes.
Inexplicably under the tutelage of Taylor and with largely the same squad – along with the additions of marquee signing Craig Wing and the arrival of Chris Sandow – the Rabbitohs finished the 2008 and 2009 seasons 14th and tenth respectively, which further highlights the former halfback’s questionable credentials as a head coach.
The Tigers in making this decision ultimately wedged themselves in a very difficult situation. After Potter’s dismissal, who exactly were they going to turn to? Anthony Griffin was a safe option but he is certainly not one to bring premiership glory as evidenced by his mediocre offerings at Brisbane over the past four seasons.
Clubs and their officials so often talk about key performance indicators but perhaps they should have considered this when discussing their next coach. There should be certain that the replacement is superior, after all this is how growth is achieved.
The club along with Taylor’s performance will come under close inspection by the new chief of football operations Phil Moss, an esteemed professional who has done a wonderful job with Penrith.
Apart from his history surely Wests Tigers fans will hope that their new head coach will be a success. Although given the souring relations between Potter and his troops due to the friction created by external media pressure, it is hard to see this appointment being an improvement for a club in desperate need of stability.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/10/01/taylor-appointment-groundhog-day-for-wests-tigers/
Wests Tigers fans have taken to social media to show their disapproval towards the appointment of their new head coach Jason Taylor.
His three-year deal has been met with a large degree skepticism – and for good reason.
It is no secret that the majority of Tigers fans hoped for Mick Potter to be given another season to lead the team free from distractions from the board. Instead Potter was sacked and the club found itself in a similar situation to the one they were in heading into the 2012 off-season.
Similarly that time saw an acrimonious departure of the head coach, back room issues, an endless rumour mill of potential new coaches and of course their on-field statistically average record.
Admittedly the club is in a better position with the roster than it was at the end of 2012\. They have had some cases of addition by subtraction while key players have been secured long-term.
Unfortunately, the Tigers will approach the 2015 season with a coach who will attempt to enforce his stamp on the team. Taylor is still yet to truly establish himself in the NRL and to have questionable control over the squad will certainly not help.
If Potter lacked in his communication skills then surely a man who was punched in the face by one of his own players may endure the same difficulties in relating his messages.
I understand the club’s predicament of being strapped for cash while the pool of elite coaches are scarce. Though their CEO Grant Mayer is optimistic the appointment will lead to a premiership in Taylor’s third and final contract year while also predicting a finals berth the next two seasons.
Certainly a positive expectation but there is nothing to suggest that Taylor is a coach capable of guiding any side, particularly one with developmental players in need of stern discipline, to a premiership.
Taylor’s 46 per cent winning record during his four seasons as a head coach with both Parramatta and South Sydney makes for underwhelming reading. However, he was responsible for South Sydney’s first forage into finals football in 18 years after finishing the season inside the eight in 2007.
By the same token, the arrival of Russell Crowe and Peter Holmes a Court in 2006 paved the way for some major signings. Internationals Nigel Vagana, Roy Asotasi, David Kidwell and Jeremy Smith were all added to the squad along with Dean Widders and late 2006 acquisition David Peachey. That season also marked the debut of Isaac Luke, joining John Sutton, Luke Stuart and Scott Geddes.
Inexplicably under the tutelage of Taylor and with largely the same squad – along with the additions of marquee signing Craig Wing and the arrival of Chris Sandow – the Rabbitohs finished the 2008 and 2009 seasons 14th and tenth respectively, which further highlights the former halfback’s questionable credentials as a head coach.
The Tigers in making this decision ultimately wedged themselves in a very difficult situation. After Potter’s dismissal, who exactly were they going to turn to? Anthony Griffin was a safe option but he is certainly not one to bring premiership glory as evidenced by his mediocre offerings at Brisbane over the past four seasons.
Clubs and their officials so often talk about key performance indicators but perhaps they should have considered this when discussing their next coach. There should be certain that the replacement is superior, after all this is how growth is achieved.
The club along with Taylor’s performance will come under close inspection by the new chief of football operations Phil Moss, an esteemed professional who has done a wonderful job with Penrith.
Apart from his history surely Wests Tigers fans will hope that their new head coach will be a success. Although given the souring relations between Potter and his troops due to the friction created by external media pressure, it is hard to see this appointment being an improvement for a club in desperate need of stability.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/10/01/taylor-appointment-groundhog-day-for-wests-tigers/
GNR4LIFE
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To say that the majority of the reaction has been negative is way off, and reeks of sensationalism. From everything i've read its at least 50/50.
Interesting reading,apparently a host of WT fans still wanted to keep Potter for another year,which is fair enough,although in the write up there is uncertainty that Taylor can do the job after his earlier episodes,however I'm prepared to let him prove to us that he has learnt from assistant at Roosters and he has matured.
Can he prove the knockers wrong,I hope so…...
Can he prove the knockers wrong,I hope so…...
Tigersmurf
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He doesn't hold back does he??
However, he does choose to support his argument with one sided facts used to discredit both Tigers management and Taylor. You can quote a coach as having a poor 46% success rate, but that sort of hides the fact that a really successful coach has an approximate 53% success rate. Not much difference considering the richer clubs have better facilities, staff and their coach is likely paid three times what the Tigers can afford to pay.
The fact is that when he took over both Souths and Parra I think it is fair to say that both clubs were performing poorly. You have to build a club and roster from this position, so it is not like a coach can just come in and suddnely win 20 games in a season. The dead wood has to be removed, new players brought in, juniors progress through the ranks. These things take time and he was hardly at Parra long enough to achieve this.
He wasn't my first choice, but I am happy with his appointment. He is a disciplinarian and a tactician which are both qualities the Tigers require. Makes me laugh the coninual reference to THAT incident 5 or 6 years ago, everyone has skeletons in their closet and I think a person can mature quite a lot over that period.
I dont mind a critical argument, as long as the facts are listed fairly.
However, he does choose to support his argument with one sided facts used to discredit both Tigers management and Taylor. You can quote a coach as having a poor 46% success rate, but that sort of hides the fact that a really successful coach has an approximate 53% success rate. Not much difference considering the richer clubs have better facilities, staff and their coach is likely paid three times what the Tigers can afford to pay.
The fact is that when he took over both Souths and Parra I think it is fair to say that both clubs were performing poorly. You have to build a club and roster from this position, so it is not like a coach can just come in and suddnely win 20 games in a season. The dead wood has to be removed, new players brought in, juniors progress through the ranks. These things take time and he was hardly at Parra long enough to achieve this.
He wasn't my first choice, but I am happy with his appointment. He is a disciplinarian and a tactician which are both qualities the Tigers require. Makes me laugh the coninual reference to THAT incident 5 or 6 years ago, everyone has skeletons in their closet and I think a person can mature quite a lot over that period.
I dont mind a critical argument, as long as the facts are listed fairly.
851
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Another piece of ill informed journalism,sink the boot in when their down,Potter's position was untenable and he had to go,so do Payten and Kidwell.
Taylor has a 46% record but there are other factors at work that should be considered,like where the team was when he got hold of them.
Also the journo goes on about %, what was Potters winning %, I think 28%, which going on his theory makes Taylor a far superior coach.
Taylor has a 46% record but there are other factors at work that should be considered,like where the team was when he got hold of them.
Also the journo goes on about %, what was Potters winning %, I think 28%, which going on his theory makes Taylor a far superior coach.
stevetiger
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That article is a load of palava.
supercoach
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What a load of rubbish, we had to make changes after the events of this year, okay Potter might have been unlucky but we needed change. Taylor to me is probably the best fit of what was available and I think most people would be happy with the appointment of Taylor and Moss.
I love the way some people keep going back to mad monday in 2009 or even further back to a day at the cricket, we all make mistakes and as the years roll on we mature.
Anyway its renewed my enthusiasm for the club
I love the way some people keep going back to mad monday in 2009 or even further back to a day at the cricket, we all make mistakes and as the years roll on we mature.
Anyway its renewed my enthusiasm for the club
innsaneink
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Garbage article written after a few hours perusing this, LU & some FB pages obviously
innsaneink
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@supercoach said:
Yep….me too, the board, Moss & Taylor....it all looks very different to two short years ago
littletiger
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I agree with everyone's comments.
balmain boy
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Posting articles from the Roar? Really?
Just biased fan based crap. Usually written by someone with an agenda to push.
Just biased fan based crap. Usually written by someone with an agenda to push.
jirskyr
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I read it as a fan opinion piece, not too fussed.
You can select statistics in the NRL to prove almost any point. For example, as Tigersmurf notes, many long-term coaches hover around 50% success and this can be determined by many factors. I wouldn't expect Tigers to rapidly improve Taylor's win record in the short term.
Neil Henry has a win ratio of 46% despite still being reasonably well-regarded, whereas Ricky Stuart is at 49% and universally derided. Daniel Anderson well regarded but at 53%, only slightly ahead of job-less Sheens 51%. Anthony Griffin is actually at 55% though people aren't particularly impressed with his record at Broncos, as if any old monkey could coach the Broncos and get results every year.
You can select statistics in the NRL to prove almost any point. For example, as Tigersmurf notes, many long-term coaches hover around 50% success and this can be determined by many factors. I wouldn't expect Tigers to rapidly improve Taylor's win record in the short term.
Neil Henry has a win ratio of 46% despite still being reasonably well-regarded, whereas Ricky Stuart is at 49% and universally derided. Daniel Anderson well regarded but at 53%, only slightly ahead of job-less Sheens 51%. Anthony Griffin is actually at 55% though people aren't particularly impressed with his record at Broncos, as if any old monkey could coach the Broncos and get results every year.
Exactly an opinion piece from a butthurt fan who's choice didn't get picked…
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@innsaneink said:
Hit the nail on the head there Ink.
