Average Roster with too many holes in it

[TimmyB]

Some brutal reality in the OP and there is truth to it regarding the weakness in our team.

That said, I think it is understandable there are some expectations.

That we have ability is demonstrated by the lead we took over the Dogs, the lead over the Raiders today, and the facts we stayed in touching distance with the Warriors - who very nearly knocked off the form team of the competition away from home.

It's clear we have periods where we run hot - as demonstrated by 22 points in 25 minutes against the Dragons, 22 points in 25 minutes against the Raiders, 16 points in 10 minutes against the Bulldogs.

We also get carried away and try and score off every play. We showed against Souths and Parramatta we can defend and grind out a win. Why that goes out the window when we take a big lead is unclear.

That inconsistency is the frustrating party.

I think we are closer than you think - this is obviously cliched but I suspect putting it all together is somewhat a mental thing.

 

[boonboon]

Looking at our squad you are correct and I would say JT knows this and hence why they had to make some changes at the start of the year to start clearing some cap room for 2016 and 17

We need an improvement from right centre be it Lawrence or someone else
We need Moses to step up at 5/8 because he is here for 3 more year
Brooks is developing and getting better just needs to get older and bigger for his defence
Right Edge backrow we need a step up from Lovett
We will need a replacement for Patty soon

The bench is ok but I think Lodge and Ava are a good prop rotation, Sue is solid but we could do with an upgrade here too. Halatau has been playing well but career is coming to an end.

So yes we have a poor roster but with an improvement in our halves through more experience and size then we have 2 positions in Right Centre and RIght backrower (this one esepcially) we need to boost for next year and then also look at signing a winger and another bench forward for 2016/17\. S

 

[TurnStyle]

if this is the view held by taylor (feels weird calling him JT cos theyre MY initials dammit!) then i admire the fact that he doesnt do a ricky stuart and blame his crap players every week!

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

Some brutal reality in the OP and there is truth to it regarding the weakness in our team.

That said, I think it is understandable there are some expectations.

That we have ability is demonstrated by the lead we took over the Dogs, the lead over the Raiders today, and the facts we stayed in touching distance with the Warriors - who very nearly knocked off the form team of the competition away from home.

It's clear we have periods where we run hot - as demonstrated by 22 points in 25 minutes against the Dragons, 22 points in 25 minutes against the Raiders, 16 points in 10 minutes against the Bulldogs.

We also get carried away and try and score off every play. We showed against Souths and Parramatta we can defend and grind out a win. Why that goes out the window when we take a big lead is unclear.

That inconsistency is the frustrating party.

I think we are closer than you think - this is obviously cliched but I suspect putting it all together is somewhat a mental thing.

So true as a club we are so often let down by the mental side of the game.We need to become more ruthless and to develop a deeper hate of losing.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Some brutal reality in the OP and there is truth to it regarding the weakness in our team.

That said, I think it is understandable there are some expectations.

That we have ability is demonstrated by the lead we took over the Dogs, the lead over the Raiders today, and the facts we stayed in touching distance with the Warriors - who very nearly knocked off the form team of the competition away from home.

It's clear we have periods where we run hot - as demonstrated by 22 points in 25 minutes against the Dragons, 22 points in 25 minutes against the Raiders, 16 points in 10 minutes against the Bulldogs.

We also get carried away and try and score off every play. We showed against Souths and Parramatta we can defend and grind out a win. Why that goes out the window when we take a big lead is unclear.

That inconsistency is the frustrating party.

I think we are closer than you think - this is obviously cliched but I suspect putting it all together is somewhat a mental thing.

So true as a club we are so often let down by the mental side of the game.We need to become more ruthless and to develop a deeper hate of losing.

The club has had a losing culture since its inception and it seems impossible to shake.

 

[Tigertigertiger]

A strike centre is anyone but Lawrence

Also hurry up and resign Simona

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Eddie once again, as always, the voice of reason.

 

[innsaneink]

Even if we had the money,who wants to come to WT? No real future.

This is our problem.
We have nothing to attract the top liners.
There's no way on earth we'd get a DCE or a Nate Myles.

We focus on our juniors cause that's all we have…but yes I agree...it's nowhere near enough..never is

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[Cultured_Bogan]

Winners are always attractive. We have a few competitive years (i.e. top four finishes,) and fix our financial woes, we'll start landing those big names.

 

[magpiecol]

Some brutal reality in the OP and there is truth to it regarding the weakness in our team.

That said, I think it is understandable there are some expectations.

That we have ability is demonstrated by the lead we took over the Dogs, the lead over the Raiders today, and the facts we stayed in touching distance with the Warriors - who very nearly knocked off the form team of the competition away from home.

It's clear we have periods where we run hot - as demonstrated by 22 points in 25 minutes against the Dragons, 22 points in 25 minutes against the Raiders, 16 points in 10 minutes against the Bulldogs.

We also get carried away and try and score off every play. We showed against Souths and Parramatta we can defend and grind out a win. Why that goes out the window when we take a big lead is unclear.

That inconsistency is the frustrating party.

I think we are closer than you think - this is obviously cliched but I suspect putting it all together is somewhat a mental thing.

So true as a club we are so often let down by the mental side of the game.We need to become more ruthless and to develop a deeper hate of losing.

The club has had a losing culture since its inception and it seems impossible to shake.

Obviously you were not around in 2005.

 

[NT_Tiger]

I don't agree that we have a poor roster, and only average due to lack of experience.
I agree with the posters above that to me it appears to be attitude. Score 22 points virtually unopposed and a young inexperienced team relaxes, job done. Well I think they learned a very valuable lesson about complacency yesterday. They will be embarrassed with that loss and if they have any heart, it will hurt. Taylor will follow that up with a few rockets.
For mine, they are performing about the way I was expecting prior to the start of the season, and I don't remember many others on the forum with great expectations either.

 

[supercoach]

Nothing has much changed over the past few years, any team that has a big strong aggressive pack of forwards with plenty of raw power will cause us grief. We do not have the forward pack that defensively can handle it. We have improved no doubt, but we have a lot of players who are not going to get any better no matter how hard they train.

As for our attack,they can pull a rabbit out of the hat that will have you jumping up and down, but they can also have three sets 20m out and not construct a thing. Its all flash in the pan stuff or nothing. People bag Sticky Stuart but he has a roster that could go places in a few years because he has the right mix and not to many plodders. The NRL is now a power game, if you can not match the other teams you will perish

In saying all of the above I have great faith in Taylor, but will he be able to attract the quality players to the club and offload the dead wood is the 100 to 1 question. One thing for certain our top 25 roster as it is will not make the top eight now or any time in the next few years

 

[Newtown]

I don't agree that we have a poor roster, and only average due to lack of experience.
I agree with the posters above that to me it appears to be attitude. Score 22 points virtually unopposed and a young inexperienced team relaxes, job done. Well I think they learned a very valuable lesson about complacency yesterday. They will be embarrassed with that loss and if they have any heart, it will hurt. Taylor will follow that up with a few rockets.
For mine, they are performing about the way I was expecting prior to the start of the season, and I don't remember many others on the forum with great expectations either.

On the subject of experience and complacency I found it very difficult to understand Farah's statement last week to the effect that he was taking a backward step from captaincy and leaving the 20 year olds Brooks and Marshall with responsibility for calling the shots. He said that he wanted to concentrate more on his own game. Did he have selection for SOO on his mind? Farah is captain and he must take and exercise full responsibility for the entire match. This responsibility extends to him waking his team from any complacency when they were up by 22 points after 25 minutes.

 

[TimmyB]

Harsh Newtown. The constant innuendo suggesting Farah is not a team man is excessive in my opinion. Definitely can be selfish and egotistical at times, but I think that egotism would be find greater fulfilment in the Tigers doing well than origin.

Reading between the lines I suspect Taylor has told him to take a step back and his comments were a justification of that - perhaps even a bit of cognitive dissonance. The following quotes are demonstrative of that imo: "That is their job and I have to respect that", "It is an adjustment period for me. And I am adapting to it", and "I am taking a bit of time to adjust to the style we are playing. I am trying to give as much responsibility as I can to the young halves."

Those suggest to me he is reigning in his natural tendency to control the game from hooker rather than selfishly disclaiming responsibility.

 

[Demps]

Decent roster.
Lack of experience.
Poor use of the bench.

 

[stevetiger]

Decent roster.
Lack of experience.
Poor use of the bench.

This is about right.

 

[happy_tiger]

Decent roster.
Lack of experience.
Poor use of the bench.

Still too many defensive liabilities as well

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Some brutal reality in the OP and there is truth to it regarding the weakness in our team.

That said, I think it is understandable there are some expectations.

That we have ability is demonstrated by the lead we took over the Dogs, the lead over the Raiders today, and the facts we stayed in touching distance with the Warriors - who very nearly knocked off the form team of the competition away from home.

It's clear we have periods where we run hot - as demonstrated by 22 points in 25 minutes against the Dragons, 22 points in 25 minutes against the Raiders, 16 points in 10 minutes against the Bulldogs.

We also get carried away and try and score off every play. We showed against Souths and Parramatta we can defend and grind out a win. Why that goes out the window when we take a big lead is unclear.

That inconsistency is the frustrating party.

I think we are closer than you think - this is obviously cliched but I suspect putting it all together is somewhat a mental thing.

So true as a club we are so often let down by the mental side of the game.We need to become more ruthless and to develop a deeper hate of losing.

The club has had a losing culture since its inception and it seems impossible to shake.

Obviously you were not around in 2005.

Obviously you think one successful year in 16 is acceptable.

Or even worse, making the finals three times in 16 years.

Why do so many people just constantly accept mediocrity?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Obviously you think one successful year in 16 is acceptable.

Or even worse, making the finals three times in 16 years.

Why do so many people just constantly accept mediocrity?

Because they're true supporters

 

[Russell]

At how many clubs would the likes of Chris Lawrence, Dene Haltau and Jack Buchanan get a start??

How many clubs would Moses be playing right grade at right at the minute?

How many teams with a weaker bench?

I think they are competing to their ability so i can't be too harsh even though it was a embarrassing loss today.

I just don't understand the hype the media and fans carry on with about a few of these raw kids, plus average plodders. The goal should be to finish outside the bottom 4.

You should change your avatar to "Negative Man"