Balmain Gone ?

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Could some one please confirm or deny the story going around that Balmain will not be playing in State Cup in 2012 and beyond . If this is true how does 100 odd years of history be allowed to be scrapped with no apparent care from Balmain supporters.
 
i heard the same from a state cup coach on the weekend.. looks like Wests will be the feeder club for NRL weststigers…
 
i thought it was going to be wests tigers as the nsw cup team, not wests magpies

i also thought we were going to have a wests tigers sg ball and wests tigers harold matthews team

we hear so many different things :laughing:
 
We need formal clarity from all parties regarding the future of balmain,magpies and wests tigers junior/feeder structure.
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I think we would benefit from having a duel feeder system at HM and Ball level, filtering into a single side for NYC and NSW cup.

At junior level the cost of running too sides is not enough to diminish the advantages of doubling the players in the junior system, it will make it possible for more players to play rep footy on off years, players develop at different rates at that age, having 2 teams doubles our chances of picking up bolters and late developers. The cost does not prohibit us from running too sides properly.

I think at NSW cup, the advantages listed above dont exist, and the added cost of running too teams generally results us in doing both poorly.

my thoughts anyway
 
@Goose said:
I think we would benefit from having a duel feeder system at HM and Ball level, filtering into a single side for NYC and NSW cup.

At junior level the cost of running too sides is not enough to diminish the advantages of doubling the players in the junior system, it will make it possible for more players to play rep footy on off years, players develop at different rates at that age, having 2 teams doubles our chances of picking up bolters and late developers. The cost does not prohibit us from running too sides properly.

I think at NSW cup, the advantages listed above dont exist, and the added cost of running too teams generally results us in doing both poorly.

my thoughts anyway
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I support the merging of Wests & Balmain at state cup and NYC levels. Given I'm a former Balmain supporter, it can give off the look as though it's sour grapes that Balmain may well not field a state cup team next year so neither should Magpies, but as it stands the NRL may well gravitate back toward a proper reserve grade competition where every NRL team must field a team anyway.

The current structure is unfair. Anyone who plays for the Magpies are just about guaranteed that they will not get considered for FG. I know this is due to manoeuvring from WT and Sheens, but were are basically "stringing along" one squad of players who have no real genuine chance of playing for WT FG. To me, it seems a waste of money and we should lead by example and merge the teams, and allow the Balmain and Western Suburbs to field Bundy Cup sides (if their subsequent benefactors can afford it,) as well as allowing Wests and Balmain to continue to have their own SG and Harold Matts sides.
 
Agree with the posts where Balmain and Magpies retain separate Ball and Matthews teams, two reasons, to ensure both clubs continue to exist in some form and secondly so more kids get a go. I think money will dictate what happens to state cup teams.
 
x 2 Cunno By having two junior sides we increase the chances of getting better juniors through to the NYC side and therefore give ourselves more strength and stability within the senior side
 
Seems to me that there is a lot of sense in having both Balmain and Wests in the representative junior competitions, but having only Wests Tigers in the State Cup and Toyota Cup.
 
we will be able to keep alot more players from the under 20s squad each year if we have 2 nsw cup teams. but its not fair if balmain gets all of the wt nrl squad players who dont play 1st grade that week.
 
and it wouldnt cost wt anymore money having wests and balmain in nsw cup. it would actually cost camp concord less $$ because ryde eastwood leagues club could continue funding the balmain side, and wests ashfield could continue funding the wests magpies side. one year the nrl squad players can go to wests, and the next year they can go to balmain. the next 2 years they should go to wests since they have gone to balmain for 2 years already in the past.
 
@alien said:
we will be able to keep alot more players from the under 20s squad each year if we have 2 nsw cup teams. but its not fair if balmain gets all of the wt nrl squad players who dont play 1st grade that week.
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Honest question here Alien: How many former U20's can you see graduating to first grade via two state cup squads instead of one? What is the real likelihood that we are going to need to house four props (I use that position as an example,) that are of possible NRL quality in state cup for whatever reason?

Despite our combined juniors base we still have players from other teams on the books that have been developed by other clubs (using our last run on side as an example):

1\. Moltzen - Central Coast
2\. Tuqiri - Brisbane
3\. Ayshford - Easts
**4\. Lawrence - Wests**
5\. Ryan - Illawarra
6\. Marshall - Keebra Park
7\. Lui - Keebra Park
13\. Heighington - Central Coast
12\. Ellis - UK
**11\. Fulton - Wests**
10\. Galloway - Cronulla
**9\. Farah - Balmain/Canterbury
8\. Gibbs - Wests**

**15\. Groat - Griffith/Wests
16\. Woods - Balmain**
17\. Flanagan - UK
18\. Utai - Canterbury

Six players have come from within our own juniors ranks. We don't need two teams to support U20's graduates who may show later promise. If they aren't true prodigies it will be rare if they get picked up after that, and if they do, they will be a fringe first grader.
 
@alien said:
and it wouldnt cost wt anymore money having wests and balmain in nsw cup. it would actually cost camp concord less $$ because ryde eastwood leagues club could continue funding the balmain side, and wests ashfield could continue funding the wests magpies side. one year the nrl squad players can go to wests, and the next year they can go to balmain. the next 2 years they should go to wests since they have gone to balmain for 2 years already in the past.
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And what if the NRL brings in a universal reserve grade?
 
Hang about Alien… Didn't Daniela, A Fifita, Waters, Davis, Corby, Akeripa, Fitzhenry & Moors ALL play for Wests last year?
:unamused: Here we go again!!

@alien said:
and it wouldnt cost wt anymore money having wests and balmain in nsw cup. it would actually cost camp concord less $$ because ryde eastwood leagues club could continue funding the balmain side, and wests ashfield could continue funding the wests magpies side. one year the nrl squad players can go to wests, and the next year they can go to balmain. the next 2 years they should go to wests since they have gone to balmain for 2 years already in the past.
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@batboy said:
Hang about Alien… Didn't Daniela, A Fifita, Waters, Davis, Corby, Akeripa, Fitzhenry & Moors ALL play for Wests last year?
:unamused: Here we go again!!

@alien said:
and it wouldnt cost wt anymore money having wests and balmain in nsw cup. it would actually cost camp concord less $$ because ryde eastwood leagues club could continue funding the balmain side, and wests ashfield could continue funding the wests magpies side. one year the nrl squad players can go to wests, and the next year they can go to balmain. the next 2 years they should go to wests since they have gone to balmain for 2 years already in the past.
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when i said 2 years in the past 2010 wasnt one of those years. it was around 2007 the first time when the nrl players went to balmain. it was the year we beat storm in gosford
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
@alien said:
and it wouldnt cost wt anymore money having wests and balmain in nsw cup. it would actually cost camp concord less $$ because ryde eastwood leagues club could continue funding the balmain side, and wests ashfield could continue funding the wests magpies side. one year the nrl squad players can go to wests, and the next year they can go to balmain. the next 2 years they should go to wests since they have gone to balmain for 2 years already in the past.

And what if the NRL brings in a universal reserve grade?
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then we can worry about that when/if that happens
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
@alien said:
we will be able to keep alot more players from the under 20s squad each year if we have 2 nsw cup teams. but its not fair if balmain gets all of the wt nrl squad players who dont play 1st grade that week.

Honest question here Alien: How many former U20's can you see graduating to first grade via two state cup squads instead of one? What is the real likelihood that we are going to need to house four props (I use that position as an example,) that are of possible NRL quality in state cup for whatever reason?

Despite our combined juniors base we still have players from other teams on the books that have been developed by other clubs (using our last run on side as an example):

1\. Moltzen - Central Coast
2\. Tuqiri - Brisbane
3\. Ayshford - Easts
**4\. Lawrence - Wests**
5\. Ryan - Illawarra
6\. Marshall - Keebra Park
7\. Lui - Keebra Park
13\. Heighington - Central Coast
12\. Ellis - UK
**11\. Fulton - Wests**
10\. Galloway - Cronulla
**9\. Farah - Balmain/Canterbury
8\. Gibbs - Wests**

**15\. Groat - Griffith/Wests
16\. Woods - Balmain**
17\. Flanagan - UK
18\. Utai - Canterbury

Six players have come from within our own juniors ranks. We don't need two teams to support U20's graduates who may show later promise. If they aren't true prodigies it will be rare if they get picked up after that, and if they do, they will be a fringe first grader.
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if we wanted to keep 10 players from the under 20s each year when they are too old to keep in under 20s then we will have to let go alot of players from the 1 nsw cup team every year. if we do only have 1 nsw cup team eventually we will let wrong players go. its not a matter of if but when
 
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