@Moh said:
your dreaming pal, marshall would tear union apart… cooper is average, marshall has it all over him (in both codes)...
coopers only hope is that he comes to play league... i see no successful future for him in international rugby...
marhsall can pretty much do what he wants... he could play as a running back in the NFL and be a success.... union wont be a problem...
Ha, right champ.
Just forget the fact that both Cooper and Benji are similar type of players then… and it's pretty obvious Cooper isn't able to do too much in rugby. I've only watched a couple of rugby games (in parts) and everything I've seen from Cooper has been so average because of the way he plays. Def talented, just not for rugby.
He'll come to league, for sure. And he'll go pretty well, after sorting out his defense.
Just forget the fact that both Cooper and Benji are similar type of players then… and it's pretty obvious Cooper isn't able to do too much in rugby. I've only watched a couple of rugby games (in parts) and everything I've seen from Cooper has been so average because of the way he plays. Def talented, just not for rugby.
He'll come to league, for sure. And he'll go pretty well, after sorting out his defense.
similar, but still completely different…
marshall has better leadership qualities, he knows when to try something and when not too... he's also had plenty of practice kicking out on the full which is an advantage in union...
cooper still has work to do as a leader, he still tries stuff when its not on.... the chip and chase from half way last night was so desperate it wasnt funny... he has a long way to go...
marshall has better leadership qualities, he knows when to try something and when not too... he's also had plenty of practice kicking out on the full which is an advantage in union...
cooper still has work to do as a leader, he still tries stuff when its not on.... the chip and chase from half way last night was so desperate it wasnt funny... he has a long way to go...
This Benji has grown crap is a myth - no doubt Benji knows a little better when to try things and not to, but he still tries some really silly things - ie the test yesterday when he tried going down the blind. This is coming from one of Benji's biggest fans BTW.
They are identical in the way they play the game - not talking about leadership etc here, or even skill level. They both like to run and beat players and try fancy things… things that are way too risky on a rugby field. It's hardly a running game.
They are identical in the way they play the game - not talking about leadership etc here, or even skill level. They both like to run and beat players and try fancy things… things that are way too risky on a rugby field. It's hardly a running game.
happy_tiger
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I can't see Union making a serious play for Benji when his next contract is up
When i mean rugby I am talking about a Super 15 side or the likes
It would take him too long to turn into a rugby player to play at that level
But I wouldn't rule of say French or Japanese rugby making a play though
But there wouldn't be enough of a challenge for him there
When i mean rugby I am talking about a Super 15 side or the likes
It would take him too long to turn into a rugby player to play at that level
But I wouldn't rule of say French or Japanese rugby making a play though
But there wouldn't be enough of a challenge for him there
supercoach
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The way he played the other day up in Newcastle he will not have too many union clubs chasing him! Quade Cooper and Benji have a lot in common they both have a regular shocker in them but also can do things no other players can do.
The article was just another attempt to get the cap increased or risk losing your super stars
The article was just another attempt to get the cap increased or risk losing your super stars
jirskyr
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@Moh said:
I agree. They are both the type of player to continuously chance their hand, not play steady territorial football.
Problem with Cooper is he is an amazing talent who backs himself no matter what. Even if he's just done 5 dumb things, he'll back himself to do something awesome next time. Problem with union is, if you chance your hand and it goes pear shaped, you can't just get up and play the ball.
Striking parallels - Benji failing to take easy touch finder vs Warriors (leading to their winning try), Cooper chipping into touch v ABs (leading to their only try).
Cooper should eventually have a run in NRL, he'd be a real gun 5/8th.
Citizen_Tiger
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Thing that surprises me about this discussion is how Quade Cooper could be compared to Benji? The latter is arguably the best player in either code while the former has potential a while off being realized.
Have no concerns about Marshall playing Rugby, he not only has the skills required, he has an unbelievable capacity to create space where none exists. With Carter heading off to Europe after RWC, the Kiwis, if Marshall was available, would sign him in a heartbeat. You'd play him at 15 for half a Super XV season then bring him up to first five.
Have no concerns about Marshall playing Rugby, he not only has the skills required, he has an unbelievable capacity to create space where none exists. With Carter heading off to Europe after RWC, the Kiwis, if Marshall was available, would sign him in a heartbeat. You'd play him at 15 for half a Super XV season then bring him up to first five.
@Citizen Tiger said:
Surely you can see the simlarities between Cooper and Benji??
I reckon they are almost clones, I think Benji is a couple of years ahead of Cooper on the same development path. There steps even look identical.
Both do things that make you shake your head in disbelief, not always for the right reasons!
Quade had a poor world cup, doesn't mean he cant play, he would be a sensation in league. Remember about 3 months ago when Quade led the reds to S15 final, he looked pretty sensational at that point.
Benji would be a sensation in Union, no if's or buts, the less time and space would make him push things more, he would make more mistakes, but the reward is also greater.
I would say the chances of Benji going to Union anytime soon are much the same as Daryl Brohman winnng to Hawaii Ironman
1_4_chicken_chips
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@Moh said:
Benj would be a superstar in lawn bowls if he decided to play the sport.
Its different for New Zealanders.In most countries when you have a child you want to grow up and be the president or the prime minister or the leader of a huge company , not in the land of the long white cloud .
Your born a boy then your earmarked as a future all black from day one .
Benj isnt going anywhere,but those who doubt he wouldnt make it dont know the real Benj.
As for QC stay at union, you have to be able to tackle in rugby league.
Citizen_Tiger
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@1/4 chicken said:
It took all of 33 posts for someone to pronounce that 'tackling' was not a requirement in Rugby. Is this a record?
But of course you're right, as is every expert who's ever uttered those words over the last 40 years.The 25 percent of players at our Rugby club that have Polynesian backgrounds, are not League style Polynesians. They are in fact your Union type Polynesians. Apart from not being able to tackle, they don't like confrontation, they all went to private schools, they wear tweed jackets with leather elbow guards and all drink red wine. These are little known facts, but in the Islands they separate the hard men from the mans capers pretty early in the piece.
Thank you so much for reminding us how soft those Union boys are. How's the diet going? Do u have a coke with the charcoal chook and chips?
innsaneink
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A nerves been hit …LOL
@1/4 chicken said:
Get off it son; in no way am I questioning the talents of Benji… trust me, I've stuck through with him when plenty of people were hating.
It's just not his game. Simple; and pretty clear too IMO.
As for the 'you have to be able to tackle in rugby league' - how many halves are there that are fairly average in that area? Quite a few, we have (had?) one ourselves - even Benji was shocking himself. Surround him with solid edge defenders and give him time, QC will no doubt be a star in league.
Through watching both test matches back to back last sunday I cant see how anyone would say that Quade and Benji are not cut from the same cloth.
Both are your atypical 'rocks and diamonds' type players. They thrill us and they frustrate us.
For mine Quade would go well in League and Benji would struggle with Union….I truly believe it would bore the crap out of him.
Both are your atypical 'rocks and diamonds' type players. They thrill us and they frustrate us.
For mine Quade would go well in League and Benji would struggle with Union….I truly believe it would bore the crap out of him.
I think Benji would go okay in union up to international level where it is clear after watching the RUWC that structured team play outweighs individual brilliance - at least for now.
As for Cooper, the first time I saw him play it seemed obvious how similar he is to Benji. They couldn't play in the same team for that reason! But I think he would adjust to league very well, in time tackling can be taught and he would certainly add the x-factor many teams lack.
As for Cooper, the first time I saw him play it seemed obvious how similar he is to Benji. They couldn't play in the same team for that reason! But I think he would adjust to league very well, in time tackling can be taught and he would certainly add the x-factor many teams lack.
sunshine_coast_tiger
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I don't think Benji will every go to Rugby I personally don't think Rugby Union suits him. The tiger player I worry about the ARU pinching is Chris Lawrence. He has all the attributes (fast, tall, strong, runs great lines and great one on one defender) to also be a great Rugby centre (he is light years in front of the current Aussie rugby union centres). The ARU should if they had any sense offer him $750,000 plus a season to convert.
I for one still don't think that Chris would ever leave the Tigers and I hate rugby union as much as anyone but if I run that sport he would be my number 1 targert.
I for one still don't think that Chris would ever leave the Tigers and I hate rugby union as much as anyone but if I run that sport he would be my number 1 targert.
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