Joel Helmes
Well-known member
I'm not disappointed in losing Ayshford, hopefully Moltzen also moves along.
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djeks_the_tiger
Guest
Have to say we brought this on ourselves. half our salary cap divided up into about 3 players. A half/five eight who runs the club and has tantrums when something looks like its not going his way, backstabbing other clubs for our own benefit, backstabbing loyal players for the 'big' (read hopeless) signing and the all round arrogance that has been displayed on and off the field this year has lead to an unstable and ultimately unhappy club.
Why would you want to work somewhere if you arent happy and get a better deal somewhere else?
Why would you want to work somewhere if you arent happy and get a better deal somewhere else?
BenjiMagic96
New member
OMG Our best player last year just because he was not in form this year is not an excuse to sack him, what about moltzen? he cost us the game against Bulldogs and Broncos when did Ayshford actually cost us a game?
ragedmachine
New member
Ayshford needs to go. Followed by moltzen. Dead weight
BrissieTiger67
Well-known member
@BenjiMagic96 said:
if we are going to use that rule then Benji is the first to go…
but when was the last time ayshford had a standout game, i used to love the guy as a solid centre but we can't drag a player along when we need a new direction. Motlzen to go too!!!!!
Lawrence should be nervous i guess since he has really lost form over the last 18 months. Hope he doesnt go!
Some of here posts are the humblest I have read in ages….
BENJI is the star of the nrl.
BENJI is the star of the nrl.
BenjiMagic96
New member
@Spartan117 said:
when at 5/8
GNR4LIFE
Well-known member
@willow said:
But i'm sure Timid has a nice big umbrella to keep himself dry. Seriously the politics at this club is sickening
@BenjiMagic96 said:
OMG
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tigerbalm
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Man thats sad if true. This dude was seriously tapping on the door of representative duties last year. He seemed bigger faster and is ability to find holes off flat balls was crazy good. Fast forward 12 months and here we are.
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I said it in another post and i'll say it hear again. ALL our outside backs had a poor year bar Beau Ryan. Its what happens when you keep chopping and changing the halves!!!!
Ashy had a poor year, but geez there are some short memories here. 2011 he carried the backline in the absence of Lawrence. Stepped up to the plate big time. Someone on the previous page even said Lawrence had poor form the last 18 months…....um duh, he was out for most of 2011 with a dislocated hip......and this year was also a victim of the coaches player shuffles.
Ashy had a poor year, but geez there are some short memories here. 2011 he carried the backline in the absence of Lawrence. Stepped up to the plate big time. Someone on the previous page even said Lawrence had poor form the last 18 months…....um duh, he was out for most of 2011 with a dislocated hip......and this year was also a victim of the coaches player shuffles.
hybrid_tiger
Well-known member
@tigerbalm said:
No he wasn't.
He's had one good, consistent year. That is all.
If he was talked about as a potential rep player, it was by one-eyed Tigers fans.
He's an average player.
Ayshord is a bad loss. His form this year, just like Lawrence, was badly affected by the constant screw ups Sheens made in the halves this year. This prevented the centres creating any good combinations or set plays and worst of all, getting any quality ball.
Ayshford showed last year what he is capable of.
That's the Ayshford we are losing.
I can't believe so many people sit here and bag Ayshford and not Lawrence, who was equally as bad, for exactly the same reasons.
This is mindnumbingly stupid.
Ayshford showed last year what he is capable of.
That's the Ayshford we are losing.
I can't believe so many people sit here and bag Ayshford and not Lawrence, who was equally as bad, for exactly the same reasons.
This is mindnumbingly stupid.
@madunit said:
It's his defence for me, he missed 71 tackles all year and you can't blame Sheens for that.
He never looks likely to set up his outside men either, he has one thing going for him, hes a strong runner of the ball, but he doesn't run great lines and he doesn't look to offload.
A good centre should still be able to create some opportunities for himself not just wait for a half to put him through a hole, thats the difference between a wide running back rower and a centre. Ayshford doesn't ask enough questions of the defense for me
You can blame Sheens for moving Blake into the second row in defence during games and then forcing him out wide in attack.
Sure it's still Ayshford's job to make the tackles. But I reckon Blair would have missed more tackles, why isn't he released?
Our centres had to try and create opportunities from dummy half on kick returns. There is not a centre out there who can regularly and consistently do that and you are seriously kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
We had bugger all momentum for large chunks of games, which meant the ball was handed to the centres when nothing was happening the they were flat footed half the time.
I know Ayshford had a bad year. But Lawrence was just as bad, yet avoids criticism.
Both a quality players and Ayshford started improving a lot last year under Folkes. Another season of that and he would have been even better still.
Sure it's still Ayshford's job to make the tackles. But I reckon Blair would have missed more tackles, why isn't he released?
Our centres had to try and create opportunities from dummy half on kick returns. There is not a centre out there who can regularly and consistently do that and you are seriously kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
We had bugger all momentum for large chunks of games, which meant the ball was handed to the centres when nothing was happening the they were flat footed half the time.
I know Ayshford had a bad year. But Lawrence was just as bad, yet avoids criticism.
Both a quality players and Ayshford started improving a lot last year under Folkes. Another season of that and he would have been even better still.
Juro
Well-known member
@madunit said:
This is what I was thinking. Ayshford was average this year, but how much of that was his fault? He has shown signs of potential and under a different coach could be very good. I guess we will see when he gets that opportunity…
I agree it's a bit harsh on Blake putting him in this position. But the same goes for Beau and Chris. The reality is we're moving talent we don't want to move but need to move for salary cap pressures either now or in 12 months time. That's how it appears anyways. To be honest, i've gotten over the initial fury regarding all this and just want whatever needs to be done to actually just be done with. Get it done now and look forward. The club has screwed up, they don't need to admit it, everyone can see it. Sheens and Humphreys should come under real pressure for their handling of the cap. It looks grossly mismanaged.
@madunit said:
Blair missed 77 tackles your correct 6 more than Ayshford, but he also made 600+ twice as many as Ayshford. Not only that but Blair is a proven performer for Melbourne and NZ and should be given more time.
Ayshford made 4 line breaks all year, and your kidding yourself if you think everytime he touched the ball it was out of dummy half or on kick returns, many times when the play went out his side it came to an end as he is awful when it comes to putting his winger away.
Your right in saying Lawrence had a poor year, but he wasn't as bad. He offers alot more, hits the line with pace and knows how to put his winger away. How often does Ayshford hit the ball at pace?
Lawrence at his pick was top 3 centres in the game, Ayshford at his peak was a good NRL player
Blake definitely has talent but it he has not come on under the WT coaching regime.
His missed tackles are a worry but he is not the only one with poor technique! All season it has looked to me like he and others desperately need a concentrated coaching effort on their tackling skills.
His lack of offloads are also a concern, once again either he needs specific coaching and guidance in this area, or needs to be moved to the back row.
His apparent under-acheiving attacking stats might be as much about lack of quality halves combination as anything.
Is he aware of all this? He has looked particularly dissinterested to me this year.
So under a better suited coaching staff he will still reach his potential - let's face it he does have a fair bit to work with there. Always hoped he would do this with us but if it is not happening then all the best to both parties…
His missed tackles are a worry but he is not the only one with poor technique! All season it has looked to me like he and others desperately need a concentrated coaching effort on their tackling skills.
His lack of offloads are also a concern, once again either he needs specific coaching and guidance in this area, or needs to be moved to the back row.
His apparent under-acheiving attacking stats might be as much about lack of quality halves combination as anything.
Is he aware of all this? He has looked particularly dissinterested to me this year.
So under a better suited coaching staff he will still reach his potential - let's face it he does have a fair bit to work with there. Always hoped he would do this with us but if it is not happening then all the best to both parties…
