hybrid_tiger
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If Moltzen is on $300K that will do me….surely not!!??
OFFICIAL Bryce Gibbs [Discussion]
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$300K for Moltzen (if accurate) is what's causing cap pressure, not a $184k fine
sunshine_coast_tiger
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@travis_bickle said:
Really poor management by the Tigers if Moltzen is on anywhere near $300,000 for next yera should at most be at about $150,000 - $175,000\. He is not any where near a $300,000 player.
you are assuming that the media report is correct and discounting any back-ended deal.
Do you understand how a back ended contract works?
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diedpretty
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Just to add another twist to this tale - Dean Ritchie stated on Zorbas Sports show on sunday morning that the Tigers are shopping Heighinton around to other clubs now that souths have backed off moltzen - he implied there is a bit of unrest in Tiger town with the core of the 2005 campaign having too much sway over who goes and who stays - says this is all brought about because sheens is hellbent on getting blair.
The media is certainly going out of its way to desatbilise WT's 2011 campaign.
The media is certainly going out of its way to desatbilise WT's 2011 campaign.
happy_tiger
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@diedpretty said:
Welle honestly that makes sense as Rhino is worth more on the open market than Fulton , Gibbs or Moltzen (possibly) and would attract more interest .
@Kul said:
Back ended or not thats beside the point, he's not worth $300K
ha
supercoach
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Fulton being used as a first receiver yard man today was like sending ute to move 20tons of bricks. Was a big ask and was never going to work. Ellis will fill the role next week
Chadman_s_Ghost
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Personally, I don't want to see the Tigers release Gibbs & Fulton in order to attain Blair- which seems to be the focus of the potential moves.
Here's the thing- I think the Tigers have enough of their salary cap invested into the forwards as it is. Guys like Gibbs & Fulton are valuable because they are not what you consider 'elite' and don't eat up large chuncks of the salary cap- allowing a club to distribute the wealth into other positions as well.
I don't know the exact figures, but I know I've read that Galloway is being paid a lot. Ellis must be on a nice wage. Heighington I'm sure is doing alright too. And then there's Farah as well. 4 out of our starting 6 guys MUST be in the top earning bracket for this club. In the backs- Benji & Lawrence & Lote would be on good money, but the others would likely be 'value'.
Now the club wants to rid themselves of 2 'value' guys to include another 'elite' guy. In theory- yes, it makes sense. But the money invested in Galloway/Ellis/Heighington/Farah does not make the Tigers forward pack any better, or arguably even as good, as most of the forward packs in NRL. On paper- yes, very impressive. But on the field- for the money invested- they really don't dominate any other pack.
Will Blair make the Tigers forwards 'dominant'? Unlikely, in my opinion.
I can see why the Tigers want to sign Blair. I do- he's a good player. But, instead of dropping the hard working value players, I'd replace one of our high-priced non-dominant 'elite' players with Blair. Galloway for example- who is, I'm happy to admit, a fine player. But he's not 'elite', despite him being in our higher pay bracket. Let's say, for arguments sake, that Galloway is on $350k. Gibbs is on say $180k (I'm guessing here- anyone with facts jump in..) Ellis would have to be around the $350k mark too. Heighington…$280k perhaps? The Tigers just re-signed Woods & Fifita, 2 very promising types. Would the Tigers pack be THAT much better with Blair & Galloway up front instead of say, Gibbs & Blair?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't think it's the 'value' type guys that need upgrading- I think it's our 'elite' guys. In particular- our forwards. I don't think we get the return on the financial investment from these guys.
Payton going should free up around the $200k or so, I'd imagine. Woods & Fifita's upgraded contracts would eat up a bit of that.
What to do with Ellis is also to be considered. I mean, he's already said he wants to finish his career in England. How long do we have him for? I can see Woods & Fifita being the long-term front row for the Tigers, with Gibbs on the bench. Groat looks very promising too. Do the Tigers NEED to invest heavily in new props with these guys doing the job at value prices? Wouldn't the 'elite' money be better served making sure these guys don't fly the coup in the future? If Blair is brought in to be a 2nd row partner to Dwyer- I see value- as I don't think the Schirnacks look very dominant. So a backrow of Heighington, Blair & Dwyer combined with our young front rowers & Gibbs looks pretty good to me. Then you have Groat, Fulton & a Schirnack on the bench with Gibbs- that's a strong bench.
I think I've rambled a bit...I guess what I'm saying is- invest your 'elite' money on the future forwards & look to upgrade the non-dominant 'elite' players with more dominant 'elite' guys- get value for the money spent.
Here's the thing- I think the Tigers have enough of their salary cap invested into the forwards as it is. Guys like Gibbs & Fulton are valuable because they are not what you consider 'elite' and don't eat up large chuncks of the salary cap- allowing a club to distribute the wealth into other positions as well.
I don't know the exact figures, but I know I've read that Galloway is being paid a lot. Ellis must be on a nice wage. Heighington I'm sure is doing alright too. And then there's Farah as well. 4 out of our starting 6 guys MUST be in the top earning bracket for this club. In the backs- Benji & Lawrence & Lote would be on good money, but the others would likely be 'value'.
Now the club wants to rid themselves of 2 'value' guys to include another 'elite' guy. In theory- yes, it makes sense. But the money invested in Galloway/Ellis/Heighington/Farah does not make the Tigers forward pack any better, or arguably even as good, as most of the forward packs in NRL. On paper- yes, very impressive. But on the field- for the money invested- they really don't dominate any other pack.
Will Blair make the Tigers forwards 'dominant'? Unlikely, in my opinion.
I can see why the Tigers want to sign Blair. I do- he's a good player. But, instead of dropping the hard working value players, I'd replace one of our high-priced non-dominant 'elite' players with Blair. Galloway for example- who is, I'm happy to admit, a fine player. But he's not 'elite', despite him being in our higher pay bracket. Let's say, for arguments sake, that Galloway is on $350k. Gibbs is on say $180k (I'm guessing here- anyone with facts jump in..) Ellis would have to be around the $350k mark too. Heighington…$280k perhaps? The Tigers just re-signed Woods & Fifita, 2 very promising types. Would the Tigers pack be THAT much better with Blair & Galloway up front instead of say, Gibbs & Blair?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't think it's the 'value' type guys that need upgrading- I think it's our 'elite' guys. In particular- our forwards. I don't think we get the return on the financial investment from these guys.
Payton going should free up around the $200k or so, I'd imagine. Woods & Fifita's upgraded contracts would eat up a bit of that.
What to do with Ellis is also to be considered. I mean, he's already said he wants to finish his career in England. How long do we have him for? I can see Woods & Fifita being the long-term front row for the Tigers, with Gibbs on the bench. Groat looks very promising too. Do the Tigers NEED to invest heavily in new props with these guys doing the job at value prices? Wouldn't the 'elite' money be better served making sure these guys don't fly the coup in the future? If Blair is brought in to be a 2nd row partner to Dwyer- I see value- as I don't think the Schirnacks look very dominant. So a backrow of Heighington, Blair & Dwyer combined with our young front rowers & Gibbs looks pretty good to me. Then you have Groat, Fulton & a Schirnack on the bench with Gibbs- that's a strong bench.
I think I've rambled a bit...I guess what I'm saying is- invest your 'elite' money on the future forwards & look to upgrade the non-dominant 'elite' players with more dominant 'elite' guys- get value for the money spent.
Chadman's ghost you make a really good point. At the moment it is our outside backs that need an upgrade.
The forwards if fit and if the young players coming through step up are looking good.
I'd still like to see Blair in our team. He is a better player than both Gibbs and Fulton.
The forwards if fit and if the young players coming through step up are looking good.
I'd still like to see Blair in our team. He is a better player than both Gibbs and Fulton.
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that_guy
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I would be happy to be rid of both because of the great front row and 2nd row prospects we have coming through. But to choose 1 I would say get rid of Gibbs. People say that he is a great defensive prop and that he holds out defence together. This may be true but he also has SIGNIFICANT disadvantages of struggling in attacking meters and the fact that he is a penalty machine. He is becoming the tigers Jason Ryles (when he was at dragons).
supercoach
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The million dollar question, "will another club be willing to pay them more than we are paying them" and of course if no other club is willing to up their contracts they will not be going anywhere. I cant think of too many clubs that need a small back rower who runs good lines and is good ball player on his day,maybe Souths but Sutton plays the same role. As for Gibbs, I think most club would like to squeeze him into their top 17 but probably not at his present price. My feeling both will be staying on, through lack of demand based on their current contract value
Is it that the club wants to free up money or the club can see others already at the club improving the team generally..I think both players will struggle to get a start in our 17 next season with whats coming though they both are on the slide with form and injury ..Gibbs probable will be in line for a start each week but in saying that I would not put my house on it, then there pretty expensive reserve graders.
the Sharks have signed Gibbs and Fifita 😢
(and this is not just a rumour trying to start anyone up).
they have also signed mark tafua and isaac degois from the knights.
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the offer fifita got was outrageous. we couldn't stand in his way, and we couldn't offer him that much.
sad to see them go.
lets send them out with a premiership
(and this is not just a rumour trying to start anyone up).
they have also signed mark tafua and isaac degois from the knights.
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the offer fifita got was outrageous. we couldn't stand in his way, and we couldn't offer him that much.
sad to see them go.
lets send them out with a premiership
