Can The Wests Tigers Regroup?

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Wednesday, February 13, 2013 - 11:00 AM
Source: BigPond Sport
By Daniel Ramus

On the surface, the Tigers appear to be a divided club.

Popular and loyal players Chris Heighington and Beau Ryan both left for Cronulla in controversial circumstances.

Their departures particularly upset superstar playmaker Benji Marshall but also caused unrest among the other players.

The rumour mill was in overdrive that Marshall and captain Robbie Farah weren't seeing eye to eye with coach Tim Sheens, which led to his removal as head coach.

The futures of both Marshall and Farah, who are to the Tigers what Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath were to the Australian Test cricket team, have also been the subject of conjecture.

Marshall was linked to a move to Japanese rugby, while Farah has been linked to Parramatta.

And there were even suggestions, which were denied, during the 2012 season that Farah and Marshall had fallen out themselves.

After reading all that, you would think the Tigers are in for a long year in 2013.

However, it's not all doom and gloom and there are reasons Wests supporters can be optimistic as we gear up for the season ahead.

Firstly, there is no question the Tigers needed a new coaching voice, and they will have one in Mick Potter, who joins the club from the Bradford Bulls in the English Super League.

Even though Sheens produced one of the greatest coaching achievements in the game's history by guiding the Tigers, who in 2005 weren't regarded as a premiership contender, to the title that year, his time at the club wasn't a raging success by any stretch of the imagination.

In his 10 seasons from 2003-2012, Wests only reached the finals on three occasions.

The 2005 premiership was only going to keep Sheens in his job for so long – and in the end it kept him in it for too long. His credit points finally ran out with the Tigers at the end of 2012.

One of the main problems Wests had in recent seasons under Sheens was their defence.

Defence is attitude. Given the Tigers have been poor in that area of their game, it would be fair to assume their minds haven't been completely on the job.

Potter's hard-nosed approach could be just what the Tigers need to turn their fortunes around. Wests have excelled when they've been frontrunners, when the bounce of the ball has gone their way and when they enjoyed the bulk of possession.

The best sides like Melbourne, Canterbury and Manly accept there will be periods in games where momentum is against them for whatever reason, and they deal with it, and still come out on top. The Tigers haven't done that recently.

When the rub of the green has been against them and they've been starved of possession, they've dropped their heads.

However, Potter, who played for the Bulldogs in the 1980s (winning premierships in '84 and '85) – one of the most mentally tough and best defensive teams in the history of the game – will no doubt address these issues in the pre-season and we may well see a transformed football team.

Joining them will be Braith Anasta from the Roosters. Anasta debuted in first grade 13 years ago, played in a premiership with the Dogs in 2004 and has represented both NSW and Australia.

For the Tigers to add a player of Anasta's experience and quality to their roster is a huge plus. He will take pressure off Marshall and Farah, and the big two could well become the big three.

If Potter can add a steel to the Tigers' defence and improve their mental toughness, and also get Marshall back into his best form and firing on all cylinders, there is no reason Wests can't challenge for the title.

http://www.bigpondsport.com/can-the-wests-tigers-regroup/tabid/91/newsid/102124/default.aspx
 
BEST article I have read on the Tigers from a sports jurno in a long time. He must be a long suffering supporter.

I would like to think Potter will get some hunger and desire back into their defensive game but Iam not 100% convinced this group of players have the ability to turn things around.

2013 could be anything, but I think mid table at best
 
meh,half the article is rehashed comments we have read a thousand times before.

the real fact is that when we have had a halfback we have made the finals,without, we haven't.
good defense or not.
 
that wasn't mentioned Bonstonker. And i think you nailed it but think Willow will disagree as he thinks it was the 'paper thin defense'. 2005, 2010 we had genuine half backs. The rest is history.
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
that wasn't mentioned Bonstonker. And i think you nailed it but think Willow will disagree as he thinks it was the 'paper thin defense'. 2005, 2010 we had genuine half backs. The rest is history.

Will be nice to have one in 2013 too now sheens has departed..
 
Potter has a huge job
Defence , mental toughness ,attitude,confidence and Benji Marshall

Lot to turn around in one off season

Probably understandable why a lot of people aren't picking us to make the 8
 
@happy tiger said:
Potter has a huge job
Defence , mental toughness ,attitude,confidence and Benji Marshall

Lot to turn around in one off season

Probably understandable why a lot of people aren't picking us to make the 8

if he can drum into the players that every possession should end with a kick(6th tackle kick or conversion),the rest becomes pretty easy.

going by the resume of potter i think this will be no.1 in the potter process.
 
There is one more point to why we havent been that sucessful over the past seasons is our injury toll. Would be great to have a season that we have a low count on casualties. Getting back to being a happy club by putting wins on the board aswell. To have the belief again…....
 
No no no you've got it wrong
If he can drum into the players that every possession should end with the ball "not" going into Benji Marshalls hands for him to kick under any circumstance. The rest becomes pretty easy.
 
I still not sure where I stand with the coach as well . Not saying anyhting is wrong with Potter, but he has no NRL experience and as many would agree the NRL and ESL are two completely different comps

How this will impact our side in unknown

That said I still prefer Potter over more Sheenaningins
 
yeh but humans are humans. Its not about the ESL but to tap into their potential. He is proven in this aspect. Why should the NRL be diffferent. Look at Soufs.
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
yeh but humans are humans. Its not about the ESL but to tap into their potential. He is proven in this aspect. Why should the NRL be diffferent. Look at Soufs.

Yeah look at their playing roster AHX Great forward pack ,found a half back ,Greg Inglis MAguire had it easy

The style is very different , you could play the Wests Tigers way and still do very well in the ESL

Unfortunately we lack the style with our players to be effective in the NRL and with the lack of NRL experience to fall back on , if things go pear shaped wonder how he will cope

His assistants don't excite me as having a good sounding board for different ideas if we need to change either
 
I just hope everyone gives them a chance. Don't expect miracles in round 1\. We needed a new coach and we got one. Remember the last time the Roosters won the comp they started the year poorly but by the end were a ruthless machine who played in 3 GF in a row. I believe Potter will be the same hard taskmaster that Stuart was with the Roosters. Lets see what happens.
 
@happy tiger said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
yeh but humans are humans. Its not about the ESL but to tap into their potential. He is proven in this aspect. Why should the NRL be diffferent. Look at Soufs.

Yeah look at their playing roster AHX Great forward pack ,found a half back ,Greg Inglis MAguire had it easy

The style is very different , you could play the Wests Tigers way and still do very well in the ESL

Unfortunately we lack the style with our players to be effective in the NRL and with the lack of NRL experience to fall back on , if things go pear shaped wonder how he will cope

His assistants don't excite me as having a good sounding board for different ideas if we need to change either

Sheens had experience and where did it get us.
 
Isn't it funny, i read the article and thought it was ordinary or worse, others think it is great. shows how much people's opinions and perceptions differ.

My pet hate is still that old cliche "defence is attitude", others disagree, but attitude is 10% of defence at best IMO.
Systems, communication and technique are all far more important.

I reckon the biggest proof is every time you take city rep team out to the country to play a regional country rep team (which unfortunately doesnt happen much in league any more, does a bit in rugby) the country team swarms and beats the hell out of the city team and has a much better attitudfe, but still lets in 50 points as they keep on breaking down the defensive systems.
 
@AmericanHistoryX said:
@happy tiger said:
@AmericanHistoryX said:
yeh but humans are humans. Its not about the ESL but to tap into their potential. He is proven in this aspect. Why should the NRL be diffferent. Look at Soufs.

Yeah look at their playing roster AHX Great forward pack ,found a half back ,Greg Inglis MAguire had it easy

The style is very different , you could play the Wests Tigers way and still do very well in the ESL

Unfortunately we lack the style with our players to be effective in the NRL and with the lack of NRL experience to fall back on , if things go pear shaped wonder how he will cope

His assistants don't excite me as having a good sounding board for different ideas if we need to change either

Sheens had experience and where did it get us.

Sheens had problems , he isn't a good comparison
 
@Goose said:
Isn't it funny, i read the article and thought it was ordinary or worse, others think it is great. shows how much people's opinions and perceptions differ.

My pet hate is still that old cliche "defence is attitude", others disagree, but attitude is 10% of defence at best IMO.
Systems, communication and technique are all far more important.

I reckon the biggest proof is every time you take city rep team out to the country to play a regional country rep team (which unfortunately doesnt happen much in league any more, does a bit in rugby) the country team swarms and beats the hell out of the city team and has a much better attitudfe, but still lets in 50 points as they keep on breaking down the defensive systems.

You need attitude to carry out the systems and technique

You need attitude to want to scramble in defence when its late in the game and you got nothing left phsyically I'm not saying attitude is everything , but it is far more than 10% Your attitude controls your desire to win At NRL level who wants it more on the day and is prepared to put it all on the line usually wins Thats Attitude
 

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