Cancel game 3

Gary_Bakerloo

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Why play it? We as fans have to put up with a substandard NRL competition for a meaningless match.

Series is over, so let's rest the elite players and have a cracking last 8-9 rounds of the NRL. Cricket never used to play a 3rd final in the old triangular series.
 
See your point Gary , but where do we then start drawing the line ??

So if two teams are out of semi final contention do we start cancelling their matches as well

SOO is worth so much money to the NRL come TV rights time they can't not play Game 3
 
@happy tiger said:
See your point Gary , but where do we then start drawing the line ??

**So if two teams are out of semi final contention do we start cancelling their matches as well**

SOO is worth so much money to the NRL come TV rights time they can't not play Game 3

No, because those games still have an impact on the make up of the 8\. The coming game 3 means nothing to anybody except the players who get their match fee. It can't be dumped though as the TV rights were purchased on the basis of having 3 games. If their was to be a cancellation of the dead rubber it would have to be sold as "2 games guaranteed and a 3rd if required"
 
@Glen McWilliams said:
@happy tiger said:
See your point Gary , but where do we then start drawing the line ??

**So if two teams are out of semi final contention do we start cancelling their matches as well**

SOO is worth so much money to the NRL come TV rights time they can't not play Game 3

No, because those games still have an impact on the make up of the 8\. The coming game 3 means nothing to anybody except the players who get their match fee. It can't be dumped though as the TV rights were purchased on the basis of having 3 games. If their was to be a cancellation of the dead rubber it would have to be sold as "2 games guaranteed and a 3rd if required"

Sorry Glen ??

So how would 14th playing 16th affect the Top 8 ??
 
Idiot idea to cancel it.
SOO sells Rugby League…especially the NRL to the world. It is the jewel and must be exploited.
 
@stryker said:
Idiot idea to cancel it.
SOO sells Rugby League…especially the NRL to the world. It is the jewel and must be exploited.

What and see a half full stadium and to be quite honest its NOT the jewel it once was. The game is living on from memories of 80's and 90's IMO.
The standard is not far off club stuff really just hyped up to the max.
But when they do play i would love a new pair of referees that aren't wearing maroon undies!!!!!!!
 
@maxxy86 said:
@stryker said:
Idiot idea to cancel it.
SOO sells Rugby League…especially the NRL to the world. It is the jewel and must be exploited.

What and see a half full stadium and to be quite honest its NOT the jewel it once was. The game is living on from memories of 80's and 90's IMO.
The standard is not far off club stuff really just hyped up to the max.
But when they do play i would love a new pair of referees that aren't wearing maroon undies!!!!!!!

It was a good game.
Refereeing was very fair.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Glen McWilliams said:
@happy tiger said:
See your point Gary , but where do we then start drawing the line ??

**So if two teams are out of semi final contention do we start cancelling their matches as well**

SOO is worth so much money to the NRL come TV rights time they can't not play Game 3

No, because those games still have an impact on the make up of the 8\. The coming game 3 means nothing to anybody except the players who get their match fee. It can't be dumped though as the TV rights were purchased on the basis of having 3 games. If their was to be a cancellation of the dead rubber it would have to be sold as "2 games guaranteed and a 3rd if required"

Sorry Glen ??

So how would 14th playing 16th affect the Top 8 ??

You would be giving teams extra weeks of rest thus making the task of beating them or improving for-and-against tougher for those that need it.
 
Someone in the major press has latched onto the obsurdity of playing the 3rd match. Quotes all through this article that summarise the stupidity, player welfare being the most obvious. If Tedesco was picked, would love to see JT not release him…

**There is nothing more dead than a dead rubber**

June 24, 2016
Malcolm Knox

_Were Paul Gallen to be available and selected for Origin III on July 13, he would be accused of selfishness, placing his own farewell above the necessary and overdue regeneration of his team. He has already been accused of such, having announced that this will be his last year of Origin football before the series even started. But that is nothing beside the selfishness of the game's rulers and broadcasters in allowing a third game to go ahead.\
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In other sports, dead rubbers are only played in exceptional circumstances. Once the seven-game finals series of the World Series and the National Basketball Association are decided, the series is over. When Australia hosted one-day cricket finals series, likewise. Dead rubbers in Davis Cup are contested as exhibition matches, if at all. Matchplay in golf, and sudden-death play-offs, finish when someone has won. The exceptions are made for cumbersome international tours (such as Saturday night's dead third rugby Test) because it would be a logistical nightmare, not to mention unfair to supporters' groups on expensive tours, to cancel fixtures, and because Test matches – in whatever sport – have an inherent status giving each a certain gravitas; no rubber is fully "dead".\
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Why, then, is Origin III being played? What exactly is the point? For Queenslanders, another clean sweep? As far as I can see, 2-0 is as clean as a series can be swept. The series is over, Queensland have won, and should have been awarded their trophy in the moment of triumph, in front of their fans.\
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For NSW, is Origin III a chance at redemption or rebuilding? As for redemption, if the Blues win in Sydney, whoopee-doo. As redemptive as all those fifth cricket Tests England used to win. As for rebuilding, you can't change a tyre on a moving wheel. Laurie Daley brings in some new players. They gain Origin exposure (albeit in a meaningless fixture, so not real Origin exposure). They lose or they win. Next year, a new coach and selectors have different ideas. Nothing has been rebuilt; instead there is only a continuation of the ad hoc decisions made in panic that have characterised the Blues for the past decade.\
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Redemption for Michael "Neville Glover" Jennings? What does Parramatta do to these players? It's true that but for the 24 points he cost (12 in defence, 12 by bombing two tries), Jennings had a capable game in Brisbane; but then that's a bit like the statement, "A quick three tries before half-time and the Blues can be right back in this". So very NSW. Jennings can't be redeemed until he plays in a winning series, which ain't going to happen in Sydney.\
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To what lengths will we in the media have to go to manufacture interest for this match? It was hard enough for Origin II; even journalists couldn't pretend the game was more intriguing than trying to locate Semi Radradra. To be fair, Origin II was a rare and possibly unique instance of an Origin game exceeding the hype, but the series was still alive then. And once it was over, analysis of the result was rinse-and-repeat: NSW won every metre but the hundredth; NSW won the battle everywhere but the scoreboard; NSW out-enthused Queensland; NSW showed infinite promise for the future; NSW lost.\
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Behind that, too, is a looming shadow. Queensland's strengths are its playmakers. Who, after Cameron Smith, Cooper Cronk, Johnathan Thurston and Darius Boyd, are the next best playmakers in the NRL? You have to go through Michael Morgan, Anthony Milford, Ben Hunt, Jake Granville, Jake Friend, Ben Barba, Cameron Munster, Daly Cherry-Evans, Andrew McCullough, Corey Norman and Moses Mbye (plus the injured Billy Slater) before you get to the best NSW can offer. And then, only if you ignore the Kiwis. Waiting for the cycle to turn will be like waiting to get run over again. Why is rugby league's biggest state not producing top-ranked halfbacks, hookers and fullbacks? That is a bigger "structural" question than who should be Origin coach.\
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We know that the reason Origin III will go ahead is television. Three million people, including me, will watch it. But 3 million will watch The Voice this week, 3 million will post something on Twitter, and 2 million will vote for the National Party. Just because millions do it doesn't mean it has any point.\
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Television will try to work it up into something, as it's their rights deal that necessitates the match going ahead (and by the way, how much discussion was there in said deal about an optional third Origin match? Zero. So much for the game controlling its own destiny.) But the networks are also complicit in Origin cannibalising their own product. The dead patch that the NRL competition goes into over the Origin period is akin to a midwinter depression, which is a shame, because the comp has been very entertaining this year. And the NRL is what's important, not Origin. So why continue to go through the motions for another three weeks?\
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Persisting with a dead Origin game exposes the hypocrisy of concerns for "player welfare". Gallen went within centimetres of ending his Origin career in Brisbane, very much not on his own terms, perhaps in a wheelchair. As we know, serious injury is a risk league players run every week. But at least premiership games have something at stake. Origin has a ferocity that demonstrably hurts more players, long term, than any other games. So why put the players at such hazard for a meaningless match? Why hurt their clubs and their supporters further? Will Origin III have been worth it if Thurston, Boyd, Smith or James Maloney is injured for the season and the competition that really counts, the NRL premiership, is warped out of shape?\
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It would be nice to see the Rugby League Players' Association take a stand, even if it would be unpopular. Protect 34 of the best footballers in the NRL by saving them from this facsimile of a contest. Or perhaps the clubs can take it into their own hands, by ruling their players out with bogus injuries. They've managed to kill one meaningless representative fixture, City-Country, with this tactic. It might be time for them to kill another._

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/state-of-origin/state-of-origin-2016-there-is-nothing-more-dead-than-a-dead-rubber-20160623-gpqmla.html#ixzz4CXewCgoy
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Not sure why Gallen 'deserves' a send off anyway. Since when does being a constant loser qualify you for a send off? I dont care whether its his fault or not.

CEO's of major companies that go backwards and lose money, even though they tried hard, do not get a grand ticker tape farewell.

The only reason there will always be a game 3 is money. Its a bonus for the NRL and TV, and whilstever each player selected gets their $30K, they wont be against it either!
 
@Swordy said:
Not sure why Gallen 'deserves' a send off anyway. Since when does being a constant loser qualify you for a send off? I dont care whether its his fault or not.

CEO's of major companies that go backwards and lose money, even though they tried hard, do not get a grand ticker tape farewell.

The only reason there will always be a game 3 is money. Its a bonus for the NRL and TV, and whilstever each player selected gets their $30K, they wont be against it either!

He deserves a proper send off… He is the states (c)
It promotes a negative culture and history if he is dumped without a goodbye
For the sake of future players... NSW have to show gratitude to their players regardless of results
He cannot end on bad terms
 
Blokes like Greg bird and Farah should be smart enough to pull the pin too publicly before game three… So they can leave on their terms and get a send of too
They shouldn't be there next year
 
That's fine , just have two games when it finishes 2-0

Just expect the money from the FTA rights to reduce and probably a fair bit as well

They lose a possible 33% investment in the games showpiece
 
@innsaneink said:
Blokes like Greg bird and Farah should be smart enough to pull the pin too publicly before game three… So they can leave on their terms and get a send of too
They shouldn't be there next year

You'd hope Daley would tell the older blokes in advance that they won't be picked, to let them retire.
They deserve that.
 
@happy tiger said:
That's fine , just have two games when it finishes 2-0

Just expect the money from the FTA rights to reduce and probably a fair bit as well

They lose a possible 33% investment in the games showpiece

Two sides of the coin, the NRL would save close to $1m in wages by not playing a 3rd game. Assuming $30,000 per player.
 
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