Captains Challenge

[Hangonaminute]

The bunker still gets decisions wrong, so how long is it going to be before a captain challenges a call and they still get the call wrong?

The first time this happens (and it's a matter of when not if) fans are going to be calling it a joke, especially if their team ends up losing the game to a howler later in the game and they can't challenge it because their first challenge was unsuccessful due to the bunker getting it wrong.

So now we'd still have a situation where the bunker has failed a team and the ref has had a howler and cost a team 2 points.

 

[Fraze23]

I think the main idea is taking the focus off the bunker and referees and placing the onus onto the captain to make the right call, similar to the DRS in cricket. I'm hoping it gives referees the confidence to make decisions as they see them. I'd prefer to see 1 challenge each half, rather than 1 per game. But I see it as being a positive thing.

 

[TheDaBoss]

How it works:

- Only a captain or nominated co-captain can challenge a decision. Should the captain or co-captain be off the field, another player can be nominated to take his place.
- Each team is allowed one unsuccessful challenge per game.
- The only decision that can be challenged are ones which involve a structured restart of play (e.g penalty, scrum, drop-out, etc.)
- Challenges will not be permitted where the referee allows play to proceed.

 

[Geo]

I see it being used mainly in the ruck when there is a strip and the ref ruled it as a loose carry or vice versa where the ref ruled it as a penalty when it was a loose carry and probably when Latrell Mitchell drops a bomb..

Don't see much point in it tbh...TRY scoring situations will still be decided on by the Ref/bunker.....

Another area where the NRL want to look like they appear to be doing something..but in reality..not really..

 

[tiger_one]

I see it being used mainly in the ruck when there is a strip and the ref ruled it as a loose carry or vice versa where the ref ruled it as a penalty when it was a loose carry and probably when Latrell Mitchell drops a bomb..

Don't see much point in it tbh...TRY scoring situations will still be decided on by the Ref/bunker.....

Another area where the NRL want to look like they appear to be doing something..but in reality..not really..

So right @Geo , like the ability to question an umpire in cricket (for example) is in the action of a wicket being taken which is league's version of a try being scored. No comparison at all when you see it's a reversal of a mere knock on etc.
Still the big issue for fans (ie consistency by referees) stands with no apparent solution in sight.

 

[happy_tiger]

I see it being used mainly in the ruck when there is a strip and the ref ruled it as a loose carry or vice versa where the ref ruled it as a penalty when it was a loose carry and probably when Latrell Mitchell drops a bomb..

Don't see much point in it tbh...TRY scoring situations will still be decided on by the Ref/bunker.....

Another area where the NRL want to look like they appear to be doing something..but in reality..not really..

Its a great idea ....stop being so negative Sun Yang

 

[Kul]

About time.
Refs arnt perfect and this will only make the game fairer

 

[JC99]

Hate this rule. Slows the game down big time and puts more pressure on the refs to never make mistakes which only lead to them making more mistakes. Will be interesting to see how teams decide when to use it. If you get a few right in a row it can change the game.

 

[jirskyr]

How it works:

- Only a captain or nominated co-captain can challenge a decision. Should the captain or co-captain be off the field, another player can be nominated to take his place.
- Each team is allowed one unsuccessful challenge per game.
- The only decision that can be challenged are ones which involve a structured restart of play (e.g penalty, scrum, drop-out, etc.)
- Challenges will not be permitted where the referee allows play to proceed.

Is it time for a "captain's armband" in rugby league? I never used to care who was the active captain on the field at any given time, but now it sort of matters.

 

[jirskyr]

Hate this rule. Slows the game down big time and puts more pressure on the refs to never make mistakes which only lead to them making more mistakes. Will be interesting to see how teams decide when to use it. If you get a few right in a row it can change the game.

I disagree. Yes it will slow a little, but it needs to be used judiciously in case you are wrong and there's a howler down the line. Definitely worth trying out, because it puts pressure on the teams to decide what they actually challenge or don't - and will illustrate very clearly how both refs and players are only human.

Just look at cricket, I know they don't the "stopped play" concerns, but it takes heat off the umpire and places power into the captain's hands. Australia don't recklessly challenge in last year's Ashes and Ben Stokes doesn't get to be a 4th-test hero. Nobody thinking back to the umpire's performance at the time, when Lyon should have been giving the winning wicket.

 

[JC99]

Hate this rule. Slows the game down big time and puts more pressure on the refs to never make mistakes which only lead to them making more mistakes. Will be interesting to see how teams decide when to use it. If you get a few right in a row it can change the game.

I disagree. Yes it will slow a little, but it needs to be used judiciously in case you are wrong and there's a howler down the line. Definitely worth trying out, because it puts pressure on the teams to decide what they actually challenge or don't - and will illustrate very clearly how both refs and players are only human.

Just look at cricket, I know they don't the "stopped play" concerns, but it takes heat off the umpire and places power into the captain's hands. Australia don't recklessly challenge in last year's Ashes and Ben Stokes doesn't get to be a 4th-test hero. Nobody thinking back to the umpire's performance at the time, when Lyon should have been giving the winning wicket.

It’ll just create more drama. All footy fans love doing is having a go at the refs - now the players can actively disagree with refs and get away with it. Poor blokes won’t be able to catch a break and will still cop just as much crap if not more. Plus it’s just more video ref which is never a good thing in my eyes. I’m happier with the refs getting something wrong every now and then, the bunker make more mistakes than the actual refs.

 

[jirskyr]

Hate this rule. Slows the game down big time and puts more pressure on the refs to never make mistakes which only lead to them making more mistakes. Will be interesting to see how teams decide when to use it. If you get a few right in a row it can change the game.

I disagree. Yes it will slow a little, but it needs to be used judiciously in case you are wrong and there's a howler down the line. Definitely worth trying out, because it puts pressure on the teams to decide what they actually challenge or don't - and will illustrate very clearly how both refs and players are only human.

Just look at cricket, I know they don't the "stopped play" concerns, but it takes heat off the umpire and places power into the captain's hands. Australia don't recklessly challenge in last year's Ashes and Ben Stokes doesn't get to be a 4th-test hero. Nobody thinking back to the umpire's performance at the time, when Lyon should have been giving the winning wicket.

It’ll just create more drama. All footy fans love doing is having a go at the refs - now the players can actively disagree with refs and get away with it. Poor blokes won’t be able to catch a break and will still cop just as much crap if not more. Plus it’s just more video ref which is never a good thing in my eyes. I’m happier with the refs getting something wrong every now and then, the bunker make more mistakes than the actual refs.

I suppose we are going to find out, aren't we? Good news is it can always be scrapped if it's a debacle, but I can already think of a few competitor-initiated challenge systems that have been applied and retained in global sports - cricket captain's call, hawkeye challenge for tennis.

 

[Geo]

Hate this rule. Slows the game down big time and puts more pressure on the refs to never make mistakes which only lead to them making more mistakes. Will be interesting to see how teams decide when to use it. If you get a few right in a row it can change the game.

I disagree. Yes it will slow a little, but it needs to be used judiciously in case you are wrong and there's a howler down the line. Definitely worth trying out, because it puts pressure on the teams to decide what they actually challenge or don't - and will illustrate very clearly how both refs and players are only human.

Just look at cricket, I know they don't the "stopped play" concerns, but it takes heat off the umpire and places power into the captain's hands. Australia don't recklessly challenge in last year's Ashes and Ben Stokes doesn't get to be a 4th-test hero. Nobody thinking back to the umpire's performance at the time, when Lyon should have been giving the winning wicket.

It's not really like Cricket where the DRS is for a wicket...this CC does not apply to TRIES..that is still in the hands of the Refs/Bunker...

If cricket had a challenge for a No ball or a wide or fair delivery maybe but how boring....like this is for a knock on...you might be able to compare

 

[Hangonaminute]

I think the main idea is taking the focus off the bunker and referees and placing the onus onto the captain to make the right call, similar to the DRS in cricket. I'm hoping it gives referees the confidence to make decisions as they see them. I'd prefer to see 1 challenge each half, rather than 1 per game. But I see it as being a positive thing.

Not sure you understood my post.
I'm saying, in the end a video ref is going to have to make a call, so let's say a captain is waiting for that moment to use a challenge and he sees something that he's sure is a wrong call.
He makes a challenge and they deem his challenge unsuccessful (which is a wrong call)
Later in the game at a crucial point the on field ref has a howler and the replay shows it clearly, now the captain can't challenge it because they lost their first challenge because of a bad call from the video ref the first time.

 

[jirskyr]

It’s not really like Cricket where the DRS is for a wicket…this CC does not apply to TRIES…that is still in the hands of the Refs/Bunker…

I didn't realise tries and wickets were the same thing.

I don't suppose there's any point of a captains challenge when 90% of tries are referred to teh video ref either. Although I'd be ok with removing the bunker altogether except to rule on captains-challenge tries.