Clearing the decks

@stevetiger said:
@goldcoast tiger said:
For about the Twentyth time .
The club cannot tell any player that they are going to pay them less
Apart from the fact that it cannot legally be done.

Who said pay them less than what their contract states ? I didn't. I said next contract.
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Sorry you're right, however there won't be another contract for Robbie .
As he'll probably retire at the end of this one, or go to SL
 
If Lawrence & Galloway don't want to go there is nothing the Tigers can do about it, End of story, Pat is gone & they wont sign Moltzen, Lulia will be gone & probably Buchanan. Also after this Year we wont be paying part of Blairs contract, there should be some Money somewhere.
 
Can't agree. I like Lawrence but if it is a choice between letting Lawrence go and re-signing Cherrington it is a no brainer. The club has already indicated they want Galloway and Lawrence to go and we wish them well for the future.
 
Lawrence has to be resigned in the second row. 3 coaches now have mentioned he is the utter professional he is and I for one, really want that in the club.

He ain't going to cost the coin he is on now. Hopefully he also gives the club a discount on his services after sticking by him all these years. He strikes me as an honourable bloke like that.

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I'm speaking out of ignorance here but here's a 'what if'.
It was recently announced that Meriton would no longer be a major sponsor. Could it be that there is a plan for Harry Triguboff to assist the club by relieving pressure on the cap, offering third party agreements to the likes of Farah etc. If the player/s agreed to accept a drop in their contracted pay, essentially sign new reduced contacts, could Mr Triguboff legally cover their loss with a TPA?
Pie in the sky speculation I know but…....?
 
Speculation and innuendo aside, we must make whatever decisions are necessary to make sure that our spine for the next decade is Tedesco, Moses, Brooks, and Cherrington.

They are the backbone of whatever we do in the future, and if it means moving along 'club favourites' (Halatau, Galloway, Farah even), then so be it.

We don't need to be that active in the player market, just make sure we keep and develop what we already have, and in the seasons to come these guys could each be superstars in their own right.

I just hope the club sees it this way.
 
Someone suggested Farah moving to lock with Cherrington in the hooking role. Sounds like it would be worth a try now we are no chance for the 8 plus it gives Manaia more valuable NRL experience
 
@Abraham said:
Speculation and innuendo aside, we must make whatever decisions are necessary to make sure that our spine for the next decade is Tedesco, Moses, Brooks, and Cherrington.

They are the backbone of whatever we do in the future, and if it means moving along 'club favourites' (Halatau, Galloway, Farah even), then so be it.

We don't need to be that active in the player market, just make sure we keep and develop what we already have, and in the seasons to come these guys **could** each be superstars in their own right.

I just hope the club sees it this way.
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Think this is the biggest gripe that people (including myself) on here have….. if the basket is full with these eggs, and the _potential_ doesn't work out, we can't get any more eggs in. I still think we need to ensure that there are other options available; even if that means (like you said) freeing up some money before the proposed spines contacts are lapsed.
 
Not sure if someone has already brought this up. Is there such a thing as a marque &/or veteran player allowance & if so how much of it would cover the salary of guys like Robbie, Keithy & Rowdy?

Moving forward I really hope we keep Lawrence & Robbie (for at least 1 year in Robbie's case). Cherrington is good but I don't know that he is ready for the week-in week-out toughness of 1st grade just yet (i.e. look how Brooks/Moses struggle at times). So it would be great for him to continue to play off the bench like he has been. The club may be thinking the same however they may think that Dene would be a cheaper/just-as-reliable option as Robbie if we were to play 2 hookers in the 17\. I don't think Keithy has been bad this year but we have guys like Sue, Ava & Lodge who can/should step up to the plate next year.

With re. to Lawrence, he is really going well in the backrow. His experience & performance can only benefit our young squad.

Plenty for Tigers mgt to think about. I just hope they make the right decisions.
 
@tigerbenji said:
If Lawrence & Galloway don't want to go there is nothing the Tigers can do about it, End of story, Pat is gone & they wont sign Moltzen, Lulia will be gone & probably Buchanan. Also after this Year we wont be paying part of Blairs contract, there should be some Money somewhere.
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What you need to understand is that we have a history of backloading contracts, its what we do. Just because those players won't be here next year doesn't mean we have that money available. That money has probably already been allocated to other players backloaded contracts, meaning we could actually have less room to move next season, especially in regards to Blair's contract.
 
@greatodensraven said:
Not sure if someone has already brought this up. Is there such a thing as a marque &/or veteran player allowance & if so how much of it would cover the salary of guys like Robbie, Keithy & Rowdy?

Moving forward I really hope we keep Lawrence & Robbie (for at least 1 year in Robbie's case). Cherrington is good but I don't know that he is ready for the week-in week-out toughness of 1st grade just yet (i.e. look how Brooks/Moses struggle at times). So it would be great for him to continue to play off the bench like he has been. The club may be thinking the same however they may think that Dene would be a cheaper/just-as-reliable option as Robbie if we were to play 2 hookers in the 17\. I don't think Keithy has been bad this year but we have guys like Sue, Ava & Lodge who can/should step up to the plate next year.

With re. to Lawrence, he is really going well in the backrow. His experience & performance can only benefit our young squad.

Plenty for Tigers mgt to think about. I just hope they make the right decisions.
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Looked this up earlier this morning. There is a Long Serving Player allowance ($200k) and Marquee Player allowance ($600k). The aforementioned funded by the NRL and the latter by club sponsors. Both outside the standard $5.5M for the cap. Rowdy been with the club since 2006 so brings his years to 9 so should receive some compensation there. Farah since 2003 so 12 years and would be entitled to a slice of the pie as well. Can't find anywhere on the site (below) that mentions if this is a per player entitlement or just a "if you've got a couple of players over 8 years service then here is 200k to divide as you see fit."

In addition, according to the WT player profiles (http://www.weststigers.com.au/team/player-profiles.html) there are 35 players listed (most of whom have played FG). This would (should; I'm not a lawyer) mean we are also entitled to an additional $440k for I think what is colloquially called the 'second teir cap' - or players that are not in the top 25 who end up playing FG.

So my summary (if I am anywhere near correct) is:

$5,500k - Cap
$200k - LSP allowance
$600k - Sponsor kickbacks
$440k - 2nd Teir Cap

TOTAL - $$6.84M to spread throughout the masses. Does not include super, car allowance and the $100k that is supposed to cover the admin of this.

Overall summary:

Where the f**k did the 100k go to put us in this mess? I'll do it for 80k…
If we have really chewed all this up, we really have problems*

* if I am correct in my assumptions.

For more info, you can check the below.
http://www.nrl.com/nrlhq/referencecentre/salarycap/tabid/10434/default.aspx
 
@ryanda01 said:
@greatodensraven said:
Not sure if someone has already brought this up. Is there such a thing as a marque &/or veteran player allowance & if so how much of it would cover the salary of guys like Robbie, Keithy & Rowdy?

Moving forward I really hope we keep Lawrence & Robbie (for at least 1 year in Robbie's case). Cherrington is good but I don't know that he is ready for the week-in week-out toughness of 1st grade just yet (i.e. look how Brooks/Moses struggle at times). So it would be great for him to continue to play off the bench like he has been. The club may be thinking the same however they may think that Dene would be a cheaper/just-as-reliable option as Robbie if we were to play 2 hookers in the 17\. I don't think Keithy has been bad this year but we have guys like Sue, Ava & Lodge who can/should step up to the plate next year.

With re. to Lawrence, he is really going well in the backrow. His experience & performance can only benefit our young squad.

Plenty for Tigers mgt to think about. I just hope they make the right decisions.

Looked this up earlier this morning. There is a Long Serving Player allowance ($200k) and Marquee Player allowance ($600k). The aforementioned funded by the NRL and the latter by club sponsors. Both outside the standard $5.5M for the cap. Rowdy been with the club since 2006 so brings his years to 9 so should receive some compensation there. Farah since 2003 so 12 years and would be entitled to a slice of the pie as well. Can't find anywhere on the site (below) that mentions if this is a per player entitlement or just a "if you've got a couple of players over 8 years service then here is 200k to divide as you see fit."

In addition, according to the WT player profiles (http://www.weststigers.com.au/team/player-profiles.html) there are 35 players listed (most of whom have played FG). This would (should; I'm not a lawyer) mean we are also entitled to an additional $440k for I think what is colloquially called the 'second teir cap' - or players that are not in the top 25 who end up playing FG.

So my summary (if I am anywhere near correct) is:

$5,500k - Cap
$200k - LSP allowance
$600k - Sponsor kickbacks
$440k - 2nd Teir Cap

TOTAL - $$6.84M to spread throughout the masses. Does not include super, car allowance and the $100k that is supposed to cover the admin of this.

Overall summary:

Where the f**k did the 100k go to put us in this mess? I'll do it for 80k…
If we have really chewed all this up, we really have problems*

* if I am correct in my assumptions.

For more info, you can check the below.
http://www.nrl.com/nrlhq/referencecentre/salarycap/tabid/10434/default.aspx
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Cheers for the reply mate. I'd be forwarding my resume over to Ms Go if I were you.

All these facts/figures aside, a few wins would really lift our situation wouldn't it.
 
@Abraham said:
Speculation and innuendo aside, we must make whatever decisions are necessary to make sure that our spine for the next decade is Tedesco, Moses, Brooks, and Cherrington.

They are the backbone of whatever we do in the future, and if it means moving along 'club favourites' (Halatau, Galloway, Farah even), then so be it.

We don't need to be that active in the player market, just make sure we keep and develop what we already have, and in the seasons to come these guys could each be superstars in their own right.

I just hope the club sees it this way.
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Their is no doubt this is what the club intends to do and I think they believed all the media hype that we had abundance of young talent at the club and the golden years are fast approaching. In reality you need a majority of hard headed players mixed with a few kids, our balance is way out of wack and our kids have stagnated. We need to be VERY active in the player market and the message from HQ is, that is not going to happen. The horse has bolted for 2016, all the better players on the market have found new homes but this club will be stuffed if they do not come up with some cap space for next years ing sales
 
@ryanda01 said:
Think this is the biggest gripe that people (including myself) on here have….. if the basket is full with these eggs, and the _potential_ doesn't work out, we can't get any more eggs in. I still think we need to ensure that there are other options available; even if that means (like you said) freeing up some money before the proposed spines contacts are lapsed.
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Understand totally, however good 'spine' players are few and far between, and when they do become available they demand top dollar.

The fact we have no money to spend, and nobody of any note to spend it on, means these kids I mentioned are our best bet.

However most good judges aren't in any doubt that they will have long and successful first grade careers. We just need to make sure it is with us.

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