Cleary: "That's not what we're about"

[Cairnstigers]

The knives are coming out for Ivan quick now
I think that's very unfair
Let's not forget that Ivan said this was a rebuilding year and it would take time
It's fair to say that if ivan could pick a team from all players in the NRL the team would not look anything like it does now
We still need a few more upgrades like Mbye and Ivan is doing the best with what's available
Ivan is not to blame for our players second half effort
That falls on the players who are on the field
They are the ones making the tackles
Or should I say missing them
60 plus missed tackles Ivan's fault
Come on guys
Does he have to go out and make the tackles himself
Our team failed in the second 40 today
Not Ivan

rebuilding???? dude just went out and bought players 28 plus,u cant rebuild with those type
they are only gonna get worse not better,not forgetting now all of our cap is gone on these players

The team we have this year is better than we had last year
Only real lose was teddy
Now we have Mbye and about a $400000 saving on Teddys contract
Ivan doesn't have a magic wand to make players appear
You can not build the ideal team in one season of signings
The players are just not their to sign
I'm glad Moses and Woods are gone
The way they treated the club was disgraceful
Our defence in the second 40 against Canberra was atrocious but it's not the end of the world
Were you happy when we flogged Manly
And beat the Storm and Roosters
I was
You have to take the good with the bad
I have no drought that Cleary is looking at all the best off contract players
But so is every other team

 

[AL The Tiger]

I was not a JT fan ,but his career was ruined by bringing Cleary on board, Cleary with the advantage of a blank cheque re recruitment, has not delivered

For 12 months Cleary has been lauded over for doing something JT couldn’t do, attract players. Easy to do when you have an open chequebook and your predecessor had a bag of rocks. Let’s not forget Potter either. Another coach who got dudded with a terrible cap. Pay is going through the same situation at the Dogs.

I suppose you’ll be calling for Taylor to come back?

Just calling it like it is. No need to be sassy.

Enough. Taylor was horrible. Move on

 

[AL The Tiger]

People bagging Cleary after one flat out flogging in his tenure are deadset pathetic. Let’s judge how he responds and I’m confident he’ll have us firing against the Titans in a couple weeks time

We’ve been in every contest so far this year and yes I’m talking about the flogging we copped yesterday (we led 12-10 at halftime ffs)

And have been extremely unlucky to not beat Parra, Knights, Roosters which would’ve seen us comfortably in the 8\. That’s not mentioning the brisbane farce either

Let’s cut out the wrist slitting and see how he responds

x2\. Most on here were raving on about our defensive structure early on and are now calling for Cleary to be sacked

 

[Demps]

Didn’t mention colour Pete, just stated the obvious, obviously you love giving cap money away without return

I didn't say you mentioned colour. When you generalise that islanders don't play with any heart, that's racist.

So WHAT Islanders are you talking about? Did Leilua show no heart? Tapine?? Soliola??? Havili???? Maybe Papalii? I could go on but the truth is you need to understand that the problem goes back to lack of heart in the playing roster in general, NOT one particular race. You ARE a racist!

Packer. Matulino. Taylor
In recent weeks, Lolohea.
In recent years, Adam Blair.

Some islanders have it (Tuamalolo)whereas others just don't…. Suli, Lolohea, etc... And "it" is a work ethic.

I'm no racist, I am friends with Samoans, Tongans, etc... But the players we recruit that have an NZ background always seem to be lazy and unmotivated. Obviously speaking generally / typically not 100% all the time...

See names mentioned for examples.

 

[jirskyr]

People bagging Cleary after one flat out flogging in his tenure are deadset pathetic. Let’s judge how he responds and I’m confident he’ll have us firing against the Titans in a couple weeks time

We’ve been in every contest so far this year and yes I’m talking about the flogging we copped yesterday (we led 12-10 at halftime ffs)

And have been extremely unlucky to not beat Parra, Knights, Roosters which would’ve seen us comfortably in the 8\. That’s not mentioning the brisbane farce either

Let’s cut out the wrist slitting and see how he responds

x2\. Most on here were raving on about our defensive structure early on and are now calling for Cleary to be sacked

I agree with what you are saying, however it's not the first flogging in Ivan's tenure. Broncos beat us 36-0 last year, Roosters also 40-18.

 

[TigerSJ]

He hasn’t helped the situation by opting on a rotation system. Was only a couple weeks ago he said he still didn’t know what his best 17 was. How is that possible halfway into the season.

and that is EXACTLY what makes him probably the best coach we have had. It is also what everyone was praising early in the season when we were winning. As Ivan has said many times everyone has to earn their spot in the team and if they are not the best or not putting in enough at training. the best will get the gig and the other will be in reggies. Competition for spots in the team. We were all PRAISING the mantra of competition for spots in the team when we were winning. Now we've lost a few and you are using it as an example of why he cant coach.

Were you paying attention during the Taylor years when Rankin would be picked every week or Kyle Lovett turned out week after week, no matter what? Two weeks ago Tui & Godinet were complete rubbish and were immediately accountable. Hooker and fullback are our biggest problems and he appears to have done something about both of them.

Well said.

In most cases, Ivan has made changes when he has needed to. When we were playing well and winning games he didn't change things up too much, and when certain players looked ordinary he didn't hesitate to spell them in reggies.
Apart from changes he has had to make due to injury, some of you are complaining about the rotation of 5 players through the D/H role or the swapping of Tui and Thomson at fullback.

The facts are that if any one of those players that have been picked in those roles actually went out and proved that they were the right guy for the job week after week, then Ivan wouldn't need to be be rotating them. Tui has not shown any form as fullback and Thomson even though he was initially a winger has earnt the role. Liddle was obviously the D/H plan and MM the back-up, but that hasn't worked out either, so Ivan has tried the options at his disposal. I would expect that, wouldn't you? As for our backrow, when you examine the options available, who has really stood out week after week and deserved selection? Besides Lawrence, probably know one!