Commission stand off over Marsden

@Tiger Watto said:
The lack of 'Truth' in the formation of the NRL, and the ARL War will always leave a scar… You only need to look at grass-roots football to realise.

Time for a new generation of people to drive the game of RL further!!!

My view is that the formation of the NRL was rushed because both News and the ARL (Packer) were losing so much money with the two competitions. They did not sit down and take the time to get the competition right. The motive was purely to have one competition and let future administrators worry about other issues later.
 
News need to do what they have been saying for years . They need to walk away from the game and in particular the clubs But they can't and won't
 
Its an interesting point Gary… I think the formation was a very interesting time considering one side was completely broken and the other didnt really want to run the game. Both sides were in a no win situation and wanting a return on thier investment was News primary focus.

Happy, if News release there stranglehold of the administration of the Game, I feel the association of News ownership of Clubs is the best outcome for the game as a whole. The think future will see privatisation take hold of most clubs...
 
The privatisation path is only taken by clubs that are going broke. I don't think it is the future if clubs continue to increase revenue streams.
 
@Tiger Watto said:
I dont want some peanut from Wests ruining the IC… If he was a good RL Administrator, Wests Magpies would still be in the comp!

Wayne Pearce is an exception based on his Player and Integrity credentials.

This has got to up there with one of the most narrow minded and idiotic posts of all time.

Cheers to you.
 
@Tiger Watto said:
Its an interesting point Gary… I think the formation was a very interesting time considering one side was completely broken and the other didnt really want to run the game. Both sides were in a no win situation and wanting a return on thier investment was News primary focus.

Happy, if News release there stranglehold of the administration of the Game, I feel the association of News ownership of Clubs is the best outcome for the game as a whole. The think future will see privatisation take hold of most clubs...

Melbourne will need to find a sugar daddy if they (News) opt out They pump at least 6 Million a year to keep them viable
 
@Tiger Watto said:
I can never work out the whole Melbourne viability thing… Its good we tried it, but is it time to walk away???

Too late now They should of done it when the Reds and the Mariners folded
 
@Tiger Watto said:
I can never work out the whole Melbourne viability thing… Its good we tried it, but is it time to walk away???

You cant get rid of melbourne now they have put to much money and time into getting it going.

I would be upset for the bears if they missed out again when they expand
 
@tiger4ever said:
@Tiger Watto said:
I can never work out the whole Melbourne viability thing… Its good we tried it, but is it time to walk away???

You cant get rid of melbourne now they have put to much money and time into getting it going.

I would be upset for the bears if they missed out again when they expand

I would like the Bears back in too….but it won't happen. Brisbane Colts and Perth Reds are a shoe in!!
 
Its pretty sad really… While I'm anti expansion in NSW, those boys on the Central Coast have done alot of work, had a few fights and fought of the odd smear campaign from the SeaBudgies. If anyone was deservant, the Central Coast should get a gig on effort alone.

I agree with Gene, Brisbane2 and Perth will probably get some go ahead over the next 5 years...
 
News threat to torpedo IC talks over last member
Brad Walter
June 29, 2011

NEWS LTD has threatened to walk away from negotiations for the independent commission after a meeting yesterday over the identity of the eighth and final candidate for the new body ended in stalemate.

The stand-off between News Ltd, the QRL, ARL and NRL clubs ends hopes that the independent commission would be announced tomorrow, and the Herald was told that News chief operating officer Peter Macourt threatened during the heated meeting that the media organisation may not exit the game for a further five years.

At the centre of the dispute is Macourt and QRL director Terry Mackenroth's insistence that Mark Williamson be made one of the eight commissioners.
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ARL chairman John Chalk and South Sydney chairman Nicholas Pappas want former Wests Magpies and Wests Tigers chairman Jim Marsden to be on the commission as a representative of western Sydney.

It is understood that Chalk and Pappas offered to nominate another candidate as a compromise but Macourt and Mackenroth refused to budge and insist that two of the eight commissioners must come from Queensland.

Williamson is a former Ansett executive who oversaw the then News Ltd-owned airline's sponsorship of the Broncos and was later appointed to the North Queensland board. He was one of the nominations for the independent commission put forward by the QRL, along with IT guru and former Kangaroo John Grant.

Of the other six commissioners already agreed upon, four reside in Sydney - former Qantas chief financial officer Peter Gregg, ad man Ian Elliott, businesswoman Catherine Harris and rugby league great Wayne Pearce.

Former Sydney Olympics boss Gary Pemberton lives on the Gold Coast but is not considered a Queenslander by the QRL or News Ltd, while CSR executive director and lawyer Jeremy Sutcliffe is from Victoria.

A meeting of the Sydney-based NRL club chairmen on Monday instructed Pappas to stand by Marsden, whose standing in western Sydney is such that he was approached by the AFL to join an advisory committee for expansion club GWS Giants.

Marsden, who comes from one of the oldest and best-known families in Campbelltown, was nominated by Wests Tigers officials, who believe he would also provide the commission with an understanding of the licensed club industry.

When News Ltd and the QRL refused to budge on Williamson being the eighth candidate, Chalk is understood to have presented a compromise by nominating someone other than Marsden - but his offer was rejected.

The Herald was told that Chalk and Pappas walked out of the meeting but sources close to the negotiations say that did not happen.

However, the meeting ended with the parties no closer to a resolution and no date set for their next meeting after Macourt threatened that News Ltd would stay in the game for a further five years.

It was suggested to the Herald that News Ltd made the threat out of frustration after Pappas had previously been one of three members of the subcommittee to veto Marsden as a candidate.

News Ltd also alleged that Chalk had previously agreed to Williamson being on the commission and said they reluctantly agreed to Pemberton as a trade-off.

A dispute over News Ltd's refusal to guarantee it won't start another Super League-style breakaway competition also remains unresolved and is a serious stumbling block to the formation of the independent commission.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/news-threat-to-torpedo-ic-talks-over-last-member-20110628-1gp8o.html#ixzz1Qc8BQ4Nu
 
@Gary Bakerloo said:
Marsden, who comes from one of the oldest and best-known families in Campbelltown, was **nominated by Wests Tigers officials**, who believe he would also provide the commission with an understanding of the licensed club industry.

I don't get it. In reference to Watto's description, why are Wests Tigers nominating the "peanut'?
 
Powerbrokers to rule as rugby league gets a camel
Roy Masters
June 29, 2011

Three years of horse trading over the make-up of rugby league's independent commission has produced a camel. A camel, according to the adage, is the final result of the work of a committee asked to design a horse.

A subcommittee of four people representing the NSWRL, the QRL, NRL clubs and News Ltd, has come up with a beast that has the whiff of camel breath, flat feet unsuited to the challenges of rugby league and the potential to bring the game to its knees.

When Roosters' chairman Nick Politis and Titans' managing director Michael Searle began the process in 2009 of extricating News Ltd from its half-ownership of the NRL, an independent commission was greeted with the acclaim similar to the news brought by the three wise men from the east. Instead, we've got the camel they rode on and no wisdom, certainly no boardroom experience of the intricacies of rugby league.

The seven men and one woman nominated by a subcommittee of NSWRL chairman John Chalk, the QRL's Terry Mackenroth, South Sydney chair Nick Pappas and News Ltd's chief operating officer Peter Macourt are hobbled by a lack of inhouse knowledge.

The code shot itself in the foot from the start. The suspicions of NRL clubs, the state leagues and News Ltd ran so deep that no commissioner could be appointed who had been a member of a rugby league board in the previous three years. In the case of former ARL chief executive John Quayle, it was 15 years.

News Ltd, with the connivance of the QRL, ruled out the one man with a corporate memory who could have given the code's new ruling body some credibility.

Instead, we have a commission lacking a standout rugby league person, with Gary Pemberton the only top-of-the-town type akin to the AFL's carpet strollers.

Sure, two of the nominated commissioners - John Grant and Wayne Pearce - are former internationals.

But Grant, who has won business awards for his IT company, is associated with an era in rugby league when i's, not coms, were dotted.

Pearce's dedicated service to Balmain would have won the support of Chalk and his clean image would have appealed to Brian Walsh, one of News Ltd's senior men at Foxtel. But ''Junior's'' recent deliberations on rugby league tactics are confined to arguing crusher tackles with Gorden Tallis on Fox Sports, not experiencing arm twisting and kneecapping in boardrooms.

Sure, commissioners other than Pemberton have experience as directors and managers of some of Australia's biggest companies. But some have not been active in their industries for a decade. Fears of conflict of interest persist.

Mackenroth supported the candidature of Queensland's Mark Williamson, a former executive with Ansett and Optus, prompting the rumour Mackenroth was the godfather of Williamson's children.

Half-bricks, like half-truths, travel further and the rumour mill turned it into solid fact. I rang Mackenroth, a former treasurer in the Queensland government, to check whether he was also the godfather in question. He ridiculed the rumour, while conceding he had met Williamson in his previous employments.

But Williamson does not have the support of the ARL, nor does Jim Marsden, a former chairman of Wests Tigers have the backing of News Ltd, meaning a compromise candidate may have to be found.

An independent commission devoid of corporate memory runs the risks of allowing the administration to rule the game.

While NRL chief executive David Gallop and his team have been in place since 2002, not every decision they make on their own will be right.

Furthermore, what this three-year process of horse trading of potential candidates has really achieved is the rise of a new power bloc in the game: the NRL club presidents.

They are certain to second-guess the commission, as will the parochial QRL, which now has no direct representative on the controlling board.

Still, the purpose of the commission is to replace News Ltd at the next TV-rights deal.

Given Foxtel's recent murmuring about how little it plans to give rugby league, it may be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than an NRL player to become rich, let alone enter the gates of heaven.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/powerbrokers-to-rule-as-rugby-league-gets-a-camel-20110628-1gp8r.html#ixzz1QcBWc1gV
 
Knight moves: former Olympics minister in frame for commission
Brad Walter, Roy Masters
July 5, 2011

MICHAEL KNIGHT, the NSW Olympics minister during the 2000 Games in Sydney, has been suggested as a possible compromise candidate to end the stand-off over the independent commission.

With ex-Wests Magpies and Wests Tigers chairman Jim Marsden offering to stand aside to help ensure the commission becomes a reality and former Ansett executive Mark Williamson under pressure to do the same, officials are looking for a new candidate to fill the final position on the eight-person board.

Marsden, who was asked to represent western Sydney on the commission, made the offer to withdraw in Saturday's Herald after News Ltd and the Queensland Rugby League last week blocked his nomination. The Herald has been told that NRL club chairmen and ARL officials will adopt the same attitude towards Williamson.

Knight, who was the state member for Campbelltown from 1981 to 2001, is seen by some as a good alternative as he has a rapport with News Ltd chief executive John Hartigan, possesses financial acumen, knows how to deal with the big end of town and boasts a keen interest in the game as a **Wests Tigers supporter**. He has just completed a report for federal immigration minister Chris Bowen on the overseas student visa program.

Marsden, who is heavily involved in the Campbelltown community, endorsed Knight but doubted he would have the time to sit on the commission. ''I think Michael would be far too busy and while he enjoys his rugby league I don't know if he a passion for it,'' Marsden said. ''But given his history and given his ability he would be an excellent candidate.''

With the QRL insisting that Queensland should have two representatives on the game's new governing body, the compromise may be to find another candidate from the state to replace Williamson.

The other seven members of the inaugural commission have already been agreed on by a four-man sub-committee of News Ltd chief operating officer Peter Macourt, ARL chairman John Chalk, QRL director Terry Mackenroth and South Sydney chairman Nicholas Pappas, representing the NRL clubs. However, they are split on Marsden and Williamson for the eighth position - although it is understood that News Ltd representatives also believe Williamson should follow Marsden's lead and step aside after the Herald last week revealed that during Mackenroth's time as Queensland treasurer he appointed Williamson to the board of a state-owned power generator.

ARL officials and NRL club chairmen have concerns about Williamson's links with News Ltd, which owned Ansett when the now defunct airline sponsored Brisbane. He was also a North Queensland director when News Ltd owned the club.

The issue is expected to dominate an ARL board meeting in Brisbane on Thursday after indications yesterday from Williamson that he did not intend to stand down.

Contacted by the Herald, Williamson said in a text message: ''As much as I would like to meet and speak to you I'm afraid that like all commissioners elect I have signed a strict confidentiality agreement which I intend to adhere to. Sorry I can't be more helpful on this occasion.'' He did not reply to a text message asking if he ''would consider stepping aside to help the parties reach a comprise as Marsden has offered to do.''

QRL officials have suggested that Williamson be one of the two commissioners whose term would expire after two years, along with former Sydney Olympics boss Gary Pemberton - a nomination of the clubs.

Other issues delaying the commission's formation include News Ltd's refusal to guarantee it would never start another Super League-type breakaway competition and a dispute over the terms and remuneration of NRL chief executive David Gallop's new contract. News Ltd initially proposed Gallop being appointed for five years while the ARL and NRL clubs wanted to offer him a one-year deal, leaving it to the commission to decide whether to extend that contract.

The parties were believed to have agreed on three years, but Gallop is now seeking a four-year contract.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/knight-moves-former-olympics-minister-in-frame-for-commission-20110704-1gz7o.html#ixzz1RBE4l9vT
 

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