Coronavirus Outbreak

[jadtiger]

We're back in full lockdown as of today over here in Germany. They tried to introduce measures to avoid it, like masks being compulsory, bars and restaurants only being open for takeaway and compulsory masks within the city centres. It didn't really work and now our numbers are fairly high.

Where I live in Saxony we had things relatively under control until a far right group held a protest over the Covid restrictions. It was estimated there were about 35K+ People gathered in the city centre where I live to protest (not a large city by any means). None wearing masks, no social distancing. 2-3 weeks following that event the numbers in our state have skyrocketed. All retail stores are now closed as are schools which were previously operating. The stupidity of these protestors absolutely blows my mind.

It's hard to draw comparisons between Australia and my colleagues here ask me all the time how Australia has managed to control numbers. When you consider differences in population, and the proximity of nations surrounding Germany, compared to the ease of closing the borders in Aus it is difficult to compare the two.

How many deaths? Lockdowns have not been successful anywhere. Protect the elderly and the vulnerable, contact trace and get on with life.

Yep that’s the way to spread it far and wide. Good job.

You can spread it all you like. No deaths, no problem.

That would be the most irresponsible thing i have read on this forum.No wonder you support Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon.
I really feel very sad for you and your family.

 

[colinbh]

Lockdowns generally don’t work well where you have a huge population with a significant percentage of morons that try to get around the lockdown and disregard medical advice.



Trumps America is a perfect example of what NOT to do in a pandemic.The stable genius at his bombastic blundering best

I’m sure you would know, or should know, that any action regarding the virus is the responsibility of individual states. Not the president.

The “stable genius “ was responsible for delivering hospital ships, ventilators, temporary hospitals, and operation “ warp speed “ . ( vaccines to you)

Job done. Come on man!!!!!

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Lockdowns generally don’t work well where you have a huge population with a significant percentage of morons that try to get around the lockdown and disregard medical advice.



Trumps America is a perfect example of what NOT to do in a pandemic.The stable genius at his bombastic blundering best

I’m sure you would know, or should know, that any action regarding the virus is the responsibility of individual states. Not the president.

The “stable genius “ was responsible for delivering hospital ships, ventilators, temporary hospitals, and operation “ warp speed “ . ( vaccines to you)

Job done. Come on man!!!!!

Now he’s out on his arse. Gonna miss your “lol 7 more years” “lol 6 more years” etc etc. My commiserations.....Well, not really.

 

[jadtiger]

Lockdowns generally don’t work well where you have a huge population with a significant percentage of morons that try to get around the lockdown and disregard medical advice.



Trumps America is a perfect example of what NOT to do in a pandemic.The stable genius at his bombastic blundering best

I’m sure you would know, or should know, that any action regarding the virus is the responsibility of individual states. Not the president.

The “stable genius “ was responsible for delivering hospital ships, ventilators, temporary hospitals, and operation “ warp speed “ . ( vaccines to you)

Job done. Come on man!!!!!

Pharnacutical companies from many countries developed vaccines without 1 cent of aid from the USA government.Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was too busy downplaying the problem and telling his countrymen the snake oil he had a financial interest in would keep them safe.
No president of the USA has ever failed his people as badly as the fraud in the white house.10 million more people voted to throw him out than keep him a record which will probably never be beaten in the foreseable future.
Nixon was a more believable and likeable president and i thought i would never say that

 

[happy_tiger]

my cousin got tested positive for covid last week

The prisons in the US are out of control with COVID aren't they?

yeah buddy. probably worst place to be lol

but he's as strong as an ox. asymptomatic.

Hope he stays fit and well mate

 

[Guest]

We're back in full lockdown as of today over here in Germany. They tried to introduce measures to avoid it, like masks being compulsory, bars and restaurants only being open for takeaway and compulsory masks within the city centres. It didn't really work and now our numbers are fairly high.

Where I live in Saxony we had things relatively under control until a far right group held a protest over the Covid restrictions. It was estimated there were about 35K+ People gathered in the city centre where I live to protest (not a large city by any means). None wearing masks, no social distancing. 2-3 weeks following that event the numbers in our state have skyrocketed. All retail stores are now closed as are schools which were previously operating. The stupidity of these protestors absolutely blows my mind.

It's hard to draw comparisons between Australia and my colleagues here ask me all the time how Australia has managed to control numbers. When you consider differences in population, and the proximity of nations surrounding Germany, compared to the ease of closing the borders in Aus it is difficult to compare the two.

How many deaths? Lockdowns have not been successful anywhere. Protect the elderly and the vulnerable, contact trace and get on with life.

Yes they have. Take the tinfoil hat off.

Where?

Victoria for starters.

 

[Guest]

Lockdowns generally don’t work well where you have a huge population with a significant percentage of morons that try to get around the lockdown and disregard medical advice.



Trumps America is a perfect example of what NOT to do in a pandemic.The stable genius at his bombastic blundering best

I’m sure you would know, or should know, that any action regarding the virus is the responsibility of individual states. Not the president.

The “stable genius “ was responsible for delivering hospital ships, ventilators, temporary hospitals, and operation “ warp speed “ . ( vaccines to you)

Job done. Come on man!!!!!

Time for a mental health check up Col. Seriously.

 

[TheDaBoss]

The earth is flat

Pigeons r government drones

And Australia is fake

There we go all bases covered

 

[mike]

We're back in full lockdown as of today over here in Germany. They tried to introduce measures to avoid it, like masks being compulsory, bars and restaurants only being open for takeaway and compulsory masks within the city centres. It didn't really work and now our numbers are fairly high.

Where I live in Saxony we had things relatively under control until a far right group held a protest over the Covid restrictions. It was estimated there were about 35K+ People gathered in the city centre where I live to protest (not a large city by any means). None wearing masks, no social distancing. 2-3 weeks following that event the numbers in our state have skyrocketed. All retail stores are now closed as are schools which were previously operating. The stupidity of these protestors absolutely blows my mind.

It's hard to draw comparisons between Australia and my colleagues here ask me all the time how Australia has managed to control numbers. When you consider differences in population, and the proximity of nations surrounding Germany, compared to the ease of closing the borders in Aus it is difficult to compare the two.

How many deaths? Lockdowns have not been successful anywhere. Protect the elderly and the vulnerable, contact trace and get on with life.

Yep that’s the way to spread it far and wide. Good job.

You can spread it all you like. No deaths, no problem.

Morbidity doesn’t exit at then. Big problem.

 

[rustycage]

Lockdowns generally don’t work well where you have a huge population with a significant percentage of morons that try to get around the lockdown and disregard medical advice.



Trumps America is a perfect example of what NOT to do in a pandemic.The stable genius at his bombastic blundering best

I’m sure you would know, or should know, that any action regarding the virus is the responsibility of individual states. Not the president.

The “stable genius “ was responsible for delivering hospital ships, ventilators, temporary hospitals, and operation “ warp speed “ . ( vaccines to you)

Job done. Come on man!!!!!

How could the states possibly contain things when the president continually said it was a democratic hoax, it was the sniffles, it was going to go away by Easter just like magic and so on....

 

[trentrunciman]

my cousin got tested positive for covid last week

The prisons in the US are out of control with COVID aren't they?

yeah buddy. probably worst place to be lol

but he's as strong as an ox. asymptomatic.

Hope he stays fit and well mate

Cheers mate

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Lockdowns generally don’t work well where you have a huge population with a significant percentage of morons that try to get around the lockdown and disregard medical advice.



Trumps America is a perfect example of what NOT to do in a pandemic.The stable genius at his bombastic blundering best

I’m sure you would know, or should know, that any action regarding the virus is the responsibility of individual states. Not the president.

The “stable genius “ was responsible for delivering hospital ships, ventilators, temporary hospitals, and operation “ warp speed “ . ( vaccines to you)

Job done. Come on man!!!!!

The Pfizer vaccine did not receive one cent of US taxpayer funding. The company that partnered with Pfizer, a German biotech company received funding by the GERMAN government.

Operation Warp Speed is a fancy way to say that would buy a bunch of vaccines when approved. Just like every other government across the planet will probably do. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon played down the virus, called it a hoax and laughed down measures like masks. It's no surprise that people in states would treat it with such flippancy when their elected leader behaves in such a manner.

Here's the SDS for boot polish, refer and get checked mate: http://www2.uwstout.edu/content/msds/kiwishoepolish_saraleehousehold-bodycare_jun2003.pdf

If you think the US is a model template for how to handle the pandemic you are clearly ingesting something harmful.

 

[Tiger5150]

The Pfizer vaccine did not receive one cent of US taxpayer funding.

That is not true. In July the US Govt preordered 600Million doses for US$1.92B. That is a LOT of US taxpayer cents.

Before you start splitting hairs between "grants" and pre-orders, it is irrelevant. It is all guaranteed return on investment.

Much is made of the fact that there has never been a vaccine made before for a coronavirus. This is not because it is hard or not possible to make a vaccine for coronavirus, but because previously with other coronavirus (SARS etc) the threat and therefore the demand is over before it is possible to develop a vaccine and therefore millions of $$ washed down the toilet. By pre-ordering and guaranteeing $ 1.92B, the US government made sure of the development.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600

 

[happy_tiger]

The Pfizer vaccine did not receive one cent of US taxpayer funding.

That is not true. In July the US Govt preordered 600Million doses for US$1.92B. That is a LOT of US taxpayer cents.

Before you start splitting hairs between "grants" and pre-orders, it is irrelevant. It is all guaranteed return on investment.

Much is made of the fact that there has never been a vaccine made before for a coronavirus. This is not because it is hard or not possible to make a vaccine for coronavirus, but because previously with other coronavirus (SARS etc) the threat and therefore the demand is over before it is possible to develop a vaccine and therefore millions of $$ washed down the toilet. By pre-ordering and guaranteeing $ 1.92B, the US government made sure of the development.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600

Placing orders for stock and funding are 2 separate matters

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The Pfizer vaccine did not receive one cent of US taxpayer funding.

That is not true. In July the US Govt preordered 600Million doses for US$1.92B. That is a LOT of US taxpayer cents.

Before you start splitting hairs between "grants" and pre-orders, it is irrelevant. It is all guaranteed return on investment.

Much is made of the fact that there has never been a vaccine made before for a coronavirus. This is not because it is hard or not possible to make a vaccine for coronavirus, but because previously with other coronavirus (SARS etc) the threat and therefore the demand is over before it is possible to develop a vaccine and therefore millions of $$ washed down the toilet. By pre-ordering and guaranteeing $ 1.92B, the US government made sure of the development.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600

I've been through this already with other forumers. You and I have clearly have differing opinions on what is considered taxpayer funding and what is a pre-order sales agreement. Without approval there is no sales agreement, ergo it was not guaranteed. Don't bother debating it with me as I have no interest in having a cyclic argument again.

 

[tiger_one]

NSW records another case:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9057659/Fears-coronavirus-explosion-New-South-Wales-van-driver-45-tests-positive.html

 

[mike]

The Pfizer vaccine did not receive one cent of US taxpayer funding.

That is not true. In July the US Govt preordered 600Million doses for US$1.92B. That is a LOT of US taxpayer cents.

Before you start splitting hairs between "grants" and pre-orders, it is irrelevant. It is all guaranteed return on investment.

Much is made of the fact that there has never been a vaccine made before for a coronavirus. This is not because it is hard or not possible to make a vaccine for coronavirus, but because previously with other coronavirus (SARS etc) the threat and therefore the demand is over before it is possible to develop a vaccine and therefore millions of $$ washed down the toilet. By pre-ordering and guaranteeing $ 1.92B, the US government made sure of the development.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600

Disagree with there @Tiger5150. There is a huge difference between getting funds to develop something than getting orders if it is and once it is developed. One gives you funds to pay wages to researchers etc before there is a solution developed. The risk is it may never see the light of day and be a failure. Having orders for a successful development only pays for the continuing manufacturing of the product. No Warp Speed Funds were used to develop the Pfizer vaccine. It’s a false analogy to see it differently.

 

[jadtiger]

The Pfizer vaccine did not receive one cent of US taxpayer funding.

That is not true. In July the US Govt preordered 600Million doses for US$1.92B. That is a LOT of US taxpayer cents.

Before you start splitting hairs between "grants" and pre-orders, it is irrelevant. It is all guaranteed return on investment.

Much is made of the fact that there has never been a vaccine made before for a coronavirus. This is not because it is hard or not possible to make a vaccine for coronavirus, but because previously with other coronavirus (SARS etc) the threat and therefore the demand is over before it is possible to develop a vaccine and therefore millions of $$ washed down the toilet. By pre-ordering and guaranteeing $ 1.92B, the US government made sure of the development.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600

Disagree with there @Tiger5150. There is a huge difference between getting funds to develop something than getting orders if it is and once it is developed. One gives you funds to pay wages to researchers etc before there is a solution developed. The risk is it may never see the light of day and be a failure. Having orders for a successful development only pays for the continuing manufacturing of the product. No Warp Speed Funds were used to develop the Pfizer vaccine. It’s a false analogy to see it differently.

"Nero fiddled while Rome burned" and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is still trying to fiddle both the election and praise for the vaccine he (USA) couldnt even be bothered financing.He is a fraud at every level

 

[cochise]

The Pfizer vaccine did not receive one cent of US taxpayer funding.

That is not true. In July the US Govt preordered 600Million doses for US$1.92B. That is a LOT of US taxpayer cents.

Before you start splitting hairs between "grants" and pre-orders, it is irrelevant. It is all guaranteed return on investment.

Much is made of the fact that there has never been a vaccine made before for a coronavirus. This is not because it is hard or not possible to make a vaccine for coronavirus, but because previously with other coronavirus (SARS etc) the threat and therefore the demand is over before it is possible to develop a vaccine and therefore millions of $$ washed down the toilet. By pre-ordering and guaranteeing $ 1.92B, the US government made sure of the development.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600

Was this pre-order paid for at the time of the order or was it to be paid when and if the order was delivered? This makes a massive difference.

 

[Tiger5150]

The Pfizer vaccine did not receive one cent of US taxpayer funding.

That is not true. In July the US Govt preordered 600Million doses for US$1.92B. That is a LOT of US taxpayer cents.

Before you start splitting hairs between "grants" and pre-orders, it is irrelevant. It is all guaranteed return on investment.

Much is made of the fact that there has never been a vaccine made before for a coronavirus. This is not because it is hard or not possible to make a vaccine for coronavirus, but because previously with other coronavirus (SARS etc) the threat and therefore the demand is over before it is possible to develop a vaccine and therefore millions of $$ washed down the toilet. By pre-ordering and guaranteeing $ 1.92B, the US government made sure of the development.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-agreement-us-government-600

Was this pre-order paid for at the time of the order or was it to be paid when and if the order was delivered? This makes a massive difference.

Why does it make a "massive" difference?


It makes zero difference, it is guaranteed return on investment of $1.92M US dollars. More than enough incentive to make it happen.


or in Pfizers own words....*" **Pfizer Inc.** (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the ***U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program*** goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021. Under the agreement, the U.S. government will receive 100 million doses of BNT162, the COVID-19 vaccine candidate jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, after Pfizer successfully manufactures and obtains approval or emergency use authorization from U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA)."*

This narrative that the Pfizer vaccine had nothing to do with the US government or the "warp speed" project is ridiculous and purely anti Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon driven.