Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

I have made my decision and Im happy with it. You will no doubt run your own risk/benefit analysis and you have come to the unvaxxed decision and that is fine for you but it has to be said that your decision is an easier decision **because 90% of the population** **made the other decision**.

Let's be clear, i'm vaxxed,
One other point i would like to make is this,
But let's use this analogy, let's relate vaccinated people to married people,

As you all know, of all the married people around the world there is a large number of those marriages who would be known to be as forced marriages.

Now, how many do you think of the 90%, 95% of the vaccinated people would be known as forced marriages? (forced vaccination).

Is this why you wanted downvotes removed? So you can post this nonsense?

Didn't you just say that you refused to employ a person because they were unvaxxed?
But you also talk about we don't force anyone it's their choice, and this and that.....

Then when i make an analogy about being forced to do it, you all turn into different type of people.
You are unbeleivable.

Yes I refused to employ them because he was unvaxxed, we work face to face with the hospitality industry and will lose business if we have unvaxxed employees, I didn't force him to be vaxxed, I can't afford to have him employed.

Mate you tried to make a comparison between forced marriage and "forced vaccination, people are at times threatened with death if they don't go through with a forced marriage. Your analogy was poor as there is no comparison between the two.

The mindset of some of you is truly unbelievable,
How do you think those feel who are unemployed and will not get employed because they don't feel it's safe for them to get vaxxed? Depression? Maybe suicide?

I can't afford to lose business by employing an unvaxxed person, we just went through a 4 month period when 95% of our business disappeared, if I employed an unvaxxed person it would be likely that everyone that works for us would be unemployed. How do you think all those employees would feel? Depressed?

So you people became outraged by me for just mentioning (not mocking) forced marriage in an analogy, then you go **off topic**, you supposedly show how much you care about those people who are in forced marriages.

But, when it comes to unemployed and unvaxxed people who are unemployable,
You seem to say, **stuff them**,
So in your crazy mindset some people(forced marriage) are regarded as people and some people (unvaxxed unemployed) are not people.
You are unbelievable

Where did I say stuff them? I need to worry about the jobs of the people we already employ, those jobs would be a good chance of ending if I employed an unvaxxed person.

Guys, listen, if you cared so much as you supposedly care so much and are passionate about those people who are in forced marriages (i care too) you would give the guy the job so please stop all your nonsense about caring for people.

And if the business goes bust as a result of doing what you suggest?

Mate, This is just endless nonsense, that began from what i thought was a fair and harmless analogy. So mate please enough of this nonsense.

The only nonsense being sprouted is by you by comparing forced marriage with Covid vaccination. The fact you can’t backtrack from that analogy shows your lack of understanding and unwillingness to admit you misspoke. Businesses and society as a whole have a reason to feel hesitant employing or interacting with people who are unvaccinated. People have made their choice knowing the consequences so now they need to live with those choices. In time things will change but at the moment that’s just how it is and everyone has to deal with it.

I don’t agree with the analogy, but in my opinion people have been forced to be vaccinated as they can’t work or run business without it
That in itself is wrong in my view. It should be a free choice. Vaccination rates were extremely low before the government started shutting down businesses and stopping people working

They were extremely low before an outbreak, we also didn't have access to vaccine at that time. I was vaccinated before vaccination was opened up for my age group and I had my second dose just as the numbers were increasing at the start of our outbreak. The majority of the increase in numbers was due to vaccine availability and people trying to protect themselves, their loved ones and their community.

We must be hanging around way different people. So many people I know just got the vax to go back to work, not because they wanted to get it

From your thoughts and beliefs in this thread I have no doubt we are hanging around different people, you seem to have found the minority that hold your views which is what often happens.

I’m not a minority, most of your vaxed majority didn’t want the vax in the first place, only because there livelihoods were at stake. That is a fact.

I literally don't know one person that got the vax to keep their job.

Yeah I know a few, my BIL for one. He was very anti vax but had to for work, anyone in the construction industry has to as well.

IMO there is no doubt that the requirement to be vaxxed for work, pushed people into it, but in these circumstances I really dont think they have been forced. I see it more as a "pressure test" on their convictions. The work thing simply becomes part of the risk/benefit analysis. If you TRULY were concerned about the health risks of the vaccine, you still would not get it, same as the personal liberty concerns.

 

[cochise]

I have made my decision and Im happy with it. You will no doubt run your own risk/benefit analysis and you have come to the unvaxxed decision and that is fine for you but it has to be said that your decision is an easier decision **because 90% of the population** **made the other decision**.

Let's be clear, i'm vaxxed,
One other point i would like to make is this,
But let's use this analogy, let's relate vaccinated people to married people,

As you all know, of all the married people around the world there is a large number of those marriages who would be known to be as forced marriages.

Now, how many do you think of the 90%, 95% of the vaccinated people would be known as forced marriages? (forced vaccination).

Is this why you wanted downvotes removed? So you can post this nonsense?

Didn't you just say that you refused to employ a person because they were unvaxxed?
But you also talk about we don't force anyone it's their choice, and this and that.....

Then when i make an analogy about being forced to do it, you all turn into different type of people.
You are unbeleivable.

Yes I refused to employ them because he was unvaxxed, we work face to face with the hospitality industry and will lose business if we have unvaxxed employees, I didn't force him to be vaxxed, I can't afford to have him employed.

Mate you tried to make a comparison between forced marriage and "forced vaccination, people are at times threatened with death if they don't go through with a forced marriage. Your analogy was poor as there is no comparison between the two.

The mindset of some of you is truly unbelievable,
How do you think those feel who are unemployed and will not get employed because they don't feel it's safe for them to get vaxxed? Depression? Maybe suicide?

I can't afford to lose business by employing an unvaxxed person, we just went through a 4 month period when 95% of our business disappeared, if I employed an unvaxxed person it would be likely that everyone that works for us would be unemployed. How do you think all those employees would feel? Depressed?

So you people became outraged by me for just mentioning (not mocking) forced marriage in an analogy, then you go **off topic**, you supposedly show how much you care about those people who are in forced marriages.

But, when it comes to unemployed and unvaxxed people who are unemployable,
You seem to say, **stuff them**,
So in your crazy mindset some people(forced marriage) are regarded as people and some people (unvaxxed unemployed) are not people.
You are unbelievable

Where did I say stuff them? I need to worry about the jobs of the people we already employ, those jobs would be a good chance of ending if I employed an unvaxxed person.

Guys, listen, if you cared so much as you supposedly care so much and are passionate about those people who are in forced marriages (i care too) you would give the guy the job so please stop all your nonsense about caring for people.

And if the business goes bust as a result of doing what you suggest?

Mate, This is just endless nonsense, that began from what i thought was a fair and harmless analogy. So mate please enough of this nonsense.

The only nonsense being sprouted is by you by comparing forced marriage with Covid vaccination. The fact you can’t backtrack from that analogy shows your lack of understanding and unwillingness to admit you misspoke. Businesses and society as a whole have a reason to feel hesitant employing or interacting with people who are unvaccinated. People have made their choice knowing the consequences so now they need to live with those choices. In time things will change but at the moment that’s just how it is and everyone has to deal with it.

I don’t agree with the analogy, but in my opinion people have been forced to be vaccinated as they can’t work or run business without it
That in itself is wrong in my view. It should be a free choice. Vaccination rates were extremely low before the government started shutting down businesses and stopping people working

They were extremely low before an outbreak, we also didn't have access to vaccine at that time. I was vaccinated before vaccination was opened up for my age group and I had my second dose just as the numbers were increasing at the start of our outbreak. The majority of the increase in numbers was due to vaccine availability and people trying to protect themselves, their loved ones and their community.

We must be hanging around way different people. So many people I know just got the vax to go back to work, not because they wanted to get it

From your thoughts and beliefs in this thread I have no doubt we are hanging around different people, you seem to have found the minority that hold your views which is what often happens.

I’m not a minority, most of your vaxed majority didn’t want the vax in the first place, only because there livelihoods were at stake. That is a fact.

I literally don't know one person that got the vax to keep their job.

Yeah I know a few, my BIL for one. He was very anti vax but had to for work, anyone in the construction industry has to as well.

IMO there is no doubt that the requirement to be vaxxed for work, pushed people into it, but in these circumstances I really dont think they have been forced. I see it more as a "pressure test" on their convictions. The work thing simply becomes part of the risk/benefit analysis. If you TRULY were concerned about the health risks of the vaccine, you still would not get it, same as the personal liberty concerns.

Yeah, I just don't know anyone who has, I am not saying they aren't people that have only been vaxxed to work, I am just responding to those saying it is the majority.

 

[FinestTigers]

Nothing I have written is contradictory, garbage or pure nonsense. You may view it as such, but it isn’t.
I suggest you may not really ‘hearing’ my responses at all.

I believe that i care more about those group of people more than you ever can,
Question, do you know someone who is unvaxxed unemployed and therefore will be unemployed indefinately meaning that it will greatly impact their health which could even mean leading to suicide?
This was the reason for my analogy, the two groups of people mentioned in the analogy share the same natural feelings that every human being has, and one of them feelings is known as depression, whether you're a person in a forced marriage or a person unvaxxed unemployed, depression is depression.

So this comparision was made for this reason, and the analogy i think is a good one, it is a thought provoking analogy.

You supposedly showed care and compassion for the one group of people mentioned in the analogy,
But for the other group of people mentioned in the analogy, you neither showed and not even mentioned one caring word about the unvaxxed unemployed people?

And so, you want to teach me what?
How to care about one group of people and to not give a stuff about the other?

Mate, if i were you this is what i would have done because we're not strangers here. I would have gone to PM (private messaging) and said this, mate i feel uneasy about that post you should edit it and blah blah,
But not going on the forum and saying i'm calling you out and then every tom dick and harry jumping in and taking the whole thing out of context.

This is the difference between you and me when showing caring for people So let's stop your nonsense about i care about people and you don't.

The comparison you made is not a good one, people forced into marriages are at time threatened with death and taken there against their will. This is not happening to the unvaccinated, the unvaccinated have made a decision, that goes against health advice, puts others at risk of illness and therefore makes it more difficult to find work at the moment. They have made a decision to not participate in an activity that makes society safer, that protects other members of their community. They chose to but themselves outside the general society at this point in time.

And you want to compare those people with others who have their life threatened and pushed into something completely against their will, where at times some of them have no control over their personal safety? Just think for a moment before you post.

I was going to give you another well thought out reply but this is good enough for now @Tiger5150 said just now,
"He was very anti vax but had to for work, anyone in the construction industry has to as well."

 

[Tiger5150]

FWIW an update on my son. I went to the hospital last night with him. When he got to the hospital he had bad chest pain and bad abdominal pain, 110 heartrate.

Blood tests included D Dimer test which is to test for blood clots. Over 0.5 indicates blood clots, his result was 7.0 which is high for any age group, very high for a 21yo. About 4hours later then did a CT angiogram and they couldnt find the clot. It was approximately 9hour process waiting for scans and results. In that time the pain stopped.

Doc said that with that blood test result, it was certainly at least one clot but they cant find it. It may have dissolved whist we were in the hospital. He got sent home at 2am this morning. More tests required but he is fine at the moment.

 

[happy_tiger]

FWIW an update on my son. I went to the hospital last night with him. When he got to the hospital he had bad chest pain and bad abdominal pain, 110 heartrate.

Blood tests included D Dimer test which is to test for blood clots. Over 0.5 indicates blood clots, his result was 7.0 which is high for any age group, very high for a 21yo. About 4hours later then did a CT angiogram and they couldnt find the clot. It was approximately 9hour process waiting for scans and results. In that time the pain stopped.

Doc said that with that blood test result, it was certainly at least one clot but they cant find it. It may have dissolved whist we were in the hospital. He got sent home at 2am this morning. More tests required but he is fine at the moment.

Good news .....hope it all works out ok ....

 

[cochise]

Nothing I have written is contradictory, garbage or pure nonsense. You may view it as such, but it isn’t.
I suggest you may not really ‘hearing’ my responses at all.

I believe that i care more about those group of people more than you ever can,
Question, do you know someone who is unvaxxed unemployed and therefore will be unemployed indefinately meaning that it will greatly impact their health which could even mean leading to suicide?
This was the reason for my analogy, the two groups of people mentioned in the analogy share the same natural feelings that every human being has, and one of them feelings is known as depression, whether you're a person in a forced marriage or a person unvaxxed unemployed, depression is depression.

So this comparision was made for this reason, and the analogy i think is a good one, it is a thought provoking analogy.

You supposedly showed care and compassion for the one group of people mentioned in the analogy,
But for the other group of people mentioned in the analogy, you neither showed and not even mentioned one caring word about the unvaxxed unemployed people?

And so, you want to teach me what?
How to care about one group of people and to not give a stuff about the other?

Mate, if i were you this is what i would have done because we're not strangers here. I would have gone to PM (private messaging) and said this, mate i feel uneasy about that post you should edit it and blah blah,
But not going on the forum and saying i'm calling you out and then every tom dick and harry jumping in and taking the whole thing out of context.

This is the difference between you and me when showing caring for people So let's stop your nonsense about i care about people and you don't.

The comparison you made is not a good one, people forced into marriages are at time threatened with death and taken there against their will. This is not happening to the unvaccinated, the unvaccinated have made a decision, that goes against health advice, puts others at risk of illness and therefore makes it more difficult to find work at the moment. They have made a decision to not participate in an activity that makes society safer, that protects other members of their community. They chose to but themselves outside the general society at this point in time.

And you want to compare those people with others who have their life threatened and pushed into something completely against their will, where at times some of them have no control over their personal safety? Just think for a moment before you post.

I was going to give you another well thought out reply but this is good enough for now @Tiger5150 said just now,
"He was very anti vax but had to for work, anyone in the construction industry has to as well."

That is not forced and is nothing like the comparison you are making to forced marriages, so I think you need to give me that thought out reply because that doesn't change my opinion on what you have argued.

 

[cochise]

FWIW an update on my son. I went to the hospital last night with him. When he got to the hospital he had bad chest pain and bad abdominal pain, 110 heartrate.

Blood tests included D Dimer test which is to test for blood clots. Over 0.5 indicates blood clots, his result was 7.0 which is high for any age group, very high for a 21yo. About 4hours later then did a CT angiogram and they couldnt find the clot. It was approximately 9hour process waiting for scans and results. In that time the pain stopped.

Doc said that with that blood test result, it was certainly at least one clot but they cant find it. It may have dissolved whist we were in the hospital. He got sent home at 2am this morning. More tests required but he is fine at the moment.

I am glad he is feeling better mate, I guess it is still a bit of a worry at the moment. I hope he is ok and everything works out for the best.

 

[Tiger5150]

Nothing I have written is contradictory, garbage or pure nonsense. You may view it as such, but it isn’t.
I suggest you may not really ‘hearing’ my responses at all.

I believe that i care more about those group of people more than you ever can,
Question, do you know someone who is unvaxxed unemployed and therefore will be unemployed indefinately meaning that it will greatly impact their health which could even mean leading to suicide?
This was the reason for my analogy, the two groups of people mentioned in the analogy share the same natural feelings that every human being has, and one of them feelings is known as depression, whether you're a person in a forced marriage or a person unvaxxed unemployed, depression is depression.

So this comparision was made for this reason, and the analogy i think is a good one, it is a thought provoking analogy.

You supposedly showed care and compassion for the one group of people mentioned in the analogy,
But for the other group of people mentioned in the analogy, you neither showed and not even mentioned one caring word about the unvaxxed unemployed people?

And so, you want to teach me what?
How to care about one group of people and to not give a stuff about the other?

Mate, if i were you this is what i would have done because we're not strangers here. I would have gone to PM (private messaging) and said this, mate i feel uneasy about that post you should edit it and blah blah,
But not going on the forum and saying i'm calling you out and then every tom dick and harry jumping in and taking the whole thing out of context.

This is the difference between you and me when showing caring for people So let's stop your nonsense about i care about people and you don't.

The comparison you made is not a good one, people forced into marriages are at time threatened with death and taken there against their will. This is not happening to the unvaccinated, the unvaccinated have made a decision, that goes against health advice, puts others at risk of illness and therefore makes it more difficult to find work at the moment. They have made a decision to not participate in an activity that makes society safer, that protects other members of their community. They chose to but themselves outside the general society at this point in time.

And you want to compare those people with others who have their life threatened and pushed into something completely against their will, where at times some of them have no control over their personal safety? Just think for a moment before you post.

I was going to give you another well thought out reply but this is good enough for now @Tiger5150 said just now,
"He was very anti vax but had to for work, anyone in the construction industry has to as well."

Hold up mate. If you are going to quote me, dont pick and choose to make your argument.

Yes my BIL was anti vax and if his boss did'nt make him he wouldnt have done it probably....BUT my point isnt that he was forced, it merely became part of the risk/benefit analysis. In his case, IMO he wasnt forced to have the vax, he was forced to make a decision. In the end he did it because he spends a lot of time with his elderly mum.

Of course there is pressure on people to get vaxxed for their employment, but it is the virus causing the pressure. My BIL boss didnt mandate my BIL as part of any authoritarian conspiracy, my BIL industry (customer focussed) can not exist without protection from vaccination and the business and industry generally would be more than threatened. It is effectively PPE.

I understand your point and I understand that the pressure exists and I think it sucks that it does. But the virus itself has impsed that pressure and this is part of the world we live in right now. IMO (in Australia at least) it is not part of an authoritarian conspiracy.

 

[Tiger5150]

FWIW an update on my son. I went to the hospital last night with him. When he got to the hospital he had bad chest pain and bad abdominal pain, 110 heartrate.

Blood tests included D Dimer test which is to test for blood clots. Over 0.5 indicates blood clots, his result was 7.0 which is high for any age group, very high for a 21yo. About 4hours later then did a CT angiogram and they couldnt find the clot. It was approximately 9hour process waiting for scans and results. In that time the pain stopped.

Doc said that with that blood test result, it was certainly at least one clot but they cant find it. It may have dissolved whist we were in the hospital. He got sent home at 2am this morning. More tests required but he is fine at the moment.

I am glad he is feeling better mate, I guess it is still a bit of a worry at the moment. I hope he is ok and everything works out for the best.

I hate the situation where as of right now, everything seems fine, everything all points to being ok but there is this one very serious blood test result saying something is badly wrong, so I really pushed the doctor about it last night. Her response was that with this test, there is nothing else it can really be, it is always a clot and not indicative of anything else but she actually said that with the AZ vaccine she has seen some cases of high D Dimer but cant find the clot and it might be that they are dissolving before the scan.

 

[cochise]

FWIW an update on my son. I went to the hospital last night with him. When he got to the hospital he had bad chest pain and bad abdominal pain, 110 heartrate.

Blood tests included D Dimer test which is to test for blood clots. Over 0.5 indicates blood clots, his result was 7.0 which is high for any age group, very high for a 21yo. About 4hours later then did a CT angiogram and they couldnt find the clot. It was approximately 9hour process waiting for scans and results. In that time the pain stopped.

Doc said that with that blood test result, it was certainly at least one clot but they cant find it. It may have dissolved whist we were in the hospital. He got sent home at 2am this morning. More tests required but he is fine at the moment.

I am glad he is feeling better mate, I guess it is still a bit of a worry at the moment. I hope he is ok and everything works out for the best.

I hate the situation where as of right now, everything seems fine, everything all points to being ok but there is this one very serious blood test result saying something is badly wrong, so I really pushed the doctor about it last night. Her response was that with this test, there is nothing else it can really be, it is always a clot and not indicative of anything else but she actually said that with the AZ vaccine she has seen some cases of high D Dimer but cant find the clot and it might be that they are dissolving before the scan.

Yeah I can't imagine how worrying that is, that one test just puts a lot of doubt into your mind.

 

[Tiger5150]

FWIW an update on my son. I went to the hospital last night with him. When he got to the hospital he had bad chest pain and bad abdominal pain, 110 heartrate.

Blood tests included D Dimer test which is to test for blood clots. Over 0.5 indicates blood clots, his result was 7.0 which is high for any age group, very high for a 21yo. About 4hours later then did a CT angiogram and they couldnt find the clot. It was approximately 9hour process waiting for scans and results. In that time the pain stopped.

Doc said that with that blood test result, it was certainly at least one clot but they cant find it. It may have dissolved whist we were in the hospital. He got sent home at 2am this morning. More tests required but he is fine at the moment.

I am glad he is feeling better mate, I guess it is still a bit of a worry at the moment. I hope he is ok and everything works out for the best.

I hate the situation where as of right now, everything seems fine, everything all points to being ok but there is this one very serious blood test result saying something is badly wrong, so I really pushed the doctor about it last night. Her response was that with this test, there is nothing else it can really be, it is always a clot and not indicative of anything else but she actually said that with the AZ vaccine she has seen some cases of high D Dimer but cant find the clot and it might be that they are dissolving before the scan.

Yeah I can't imagine how worrying that is, that one test just puts a lot of doubt into your mind.

Let me get this out of the way.

Sitting in the emergency last night, really worried about him, the thought crossed my mind that I am NEVER coming back to this thread again because Im not sure I'll be capable of listening to people argue that AZ and Pfizer are exactly the same, the vaccines are completely safe and just like all the other vaccines. Let me be clear, I am pro vaccine, I'm vaccinated as is my whole family but my ex wife didnt consult with me and gave both my early 20's sons AZ.

He is home and fine and Ive calmed down and Im sure quite a few are disappointed that for now Im back, but Ill try to be impartial in my thoughts here.

 

[jadtiger]

FWIW an update on my son. I went to the hospital last night with him. When he got to the hospital he had bad chest pain and bad abdominal pain, 110 heartrate.

Blood tests included D Dimer test which is to test for blood clots. Over 0.5 indicates blood clots, his result was 7.0 which is high for any age group, very high for a 21yo. About 4hours later then did a CT angiogram and they couldnt find the clot. It was approximately 9hour process waiting for scans and results. In that time the pain stopped.

Doc said that with that blood test result, it was certainly at least one clot but they cant find it. It may have dissolved whist we were in the hospital. He got sent home at 2am this morning. More tests required but he is fine at the moment.

Far better news than the situation was last night,hopefully all tests remain dine and your son can resume his normal life with zero problems

 

[tiger_one]

FWIW an update on my son. I went to the hospital last night with him. When he got to the hospital he had bad chest pain and bad abdominal pain, 110 heartrate.

Blood tests included D Dimer test which is to test for blood clots. Over 0.5 indicates blood clots, his result was 7.0 which is high for any age group, very high for a 21yo. About 4hours later then did a CT angiogram and they couldnt find the clot. It was approximately 9hour process waiting for scans and results. In that time the pain stopped.

Doc said that with that blood test result, it was certainly at least one clot but they cant find it. It may have dissolved whist we were in the hospital. He got sent home at 2am this morning. More tests required but he is fine at the moment.

Keep strong and hoping the further tests bring clarity and peace.

 

[FinestTigers]

Nothing I have written is contradictory, garbage or pure nonsense. You may view it as such, but it isn’t.
I suggest you may not really ‘hearing’ my responses at all.

I believe that i care more about those group of people more than you ever can,
Question, do you know someone who is unvaxxed unemployed and therefore will be unemployed indefinately meaning that it will greatly impact their health which could even mean leading to suicide?
This was the reason for my analogy, the two groups of people mentioned in the analogy share the same natural feelings that every human being has, and one of them feelings is known as depression, whether you're a person in a forced marriage or a person unvaxxed unemployed, depression is depression.

So this comparision was made for this reason, and the analogy i think is a good one, it is a thought provoking analogy.

You supposedly showed care and compassion for the one group of people mentioned in the analogy,
But for the other group of people mentioned in the analogy, you neither showed and not even mentioned one caring word about the unvaxxed unemployed people?

And so, you want to teach me what?
How to care about one group of people and to not give a stuff about the other?

Mate, if i were you this is what i would have done because we're not strangers here. I would have gone to PM (private messaging) and said this, mate i feel uneasy about that post you should edit it and blah blah,
But not going on the forum and saying i'm calling you out and then every tom dick and harry jumping in and taking the whole thing out of context.

This is the difference between you and me when showing caring for people So let's stop your nonsense about i care about people and you don't.

The comparison you made is not a good one, people forced into marriages are at time threatened with death and taken there against their will. This is not happening to the unvaccinated, the unvaccinated have made a decision, that goes against health advice, puts others at risk of illness and therefore makes it more difficult to find work at the moment. They have made a decision to not participate in an activity that makes society safer, that protects other members of their community. They chose to but themselves outside the general society at this point in time.

And you want to compare those people with others who have their life threatened and pushed into something completely against their will, where at times some of them have no control over their personal safety? Just think for a moment before you post.

I was going to give you another well thought out reply but this is good enough for now @Tiger5150 said just now,
"He was very anti vax but had to for work, anyone in the construction industry has to as well."

That is not forced and is nothing like the comparison you are making to forced marriages, so I think you need to give me that **thought out reply** because that doesn't change my opinion on what you have argued.

Did i sense a bit of sarcasm @cochise , anyhow it's wonderful to see that people are in good spirits today. 

 

[Tiger5150]

FWIW an update on my son. I went to the hospital last night with him. When he got to the hospital he had bad chest pain and bad abdominal pain, 110 heartrate.

Blood tests included D Dimer test which is to test for blood clots. Over 0.5 indicates blood clots, his result was 7.0 which is high for any age group, very high for a 21yo. About 4hours later then did a CT angiogram and they couldnt find the clot. It was approximately 9hour process waiting for scans and results. In that time the pain stopped.

Doc said that with that blood test result, it was certainly at least one clot but they cant find it. It may have dissolved whist we were in the hospital. He got sent home at 2am this morning. More tests required but he is fine at the moment.

Keep strong and hoping the further tests bring clarity and peace.

Thank you all for the kind thoughts, I was feeling pretty anxious and crappy last night and I really appreciate it.

 

[mike]

Nothing I have written is contradictory, garbage or pure nonsense. You may view it as such, but it isn’t.
I suggest you may not really ‘hearing’ my responses at all.

I believe that i care more about those group of people more than you ever can,
Question, do you know someone who is unvaxxed unemployed and therefore will be unemployed indefinately meaning that it will greatly impact their health which could even mean leading to suicide?
This was the reason for my analogy, the two groups of people mentioned in the analogy share the same natural feelings that every human being has, and one of them feelings is known as depression, whether you're a person in a forced marriage or a person unvaxxed unemployed, depression is depression.

So this comparision was made for this reason, and the analogy i think is a good one, it is a thought provoking analogy.

You supposedly showed care and compassion for the one group of people mentioned in the analogy,
But for the other group of people mentioned in the analogy, you neither showed and not even mentioned one caring word about the unvaxxed unemployed people?

And so, you want to teach me what?
How to care about one group of people and to not give a stuff about the other?

Mate, if i were you this is what i would have done because we're not strangers here. I would have gone to PM (private messaging) and said this, mate i feel uneasy about that post you should edit it and blah blah,
But not going on the forum and saying i'm calling you out and then every tom dick and harry jumping in and taking the whole thing out of context.

This is the difference between you and me when showing caring for people So let's stop your nonsense about i care about people and you don't.

You literally know very little about me, to
accuse me of not caring is insulting. Bye.

 

[fibrodreaming]

Doc said that with that blood test result, it was certainly at least one clot but they cant find it. It may have dissolved whist we were in the hospital.

I certainly hope the doctor's speculation is correct and that the clot has dissolved. Although I'm surprised your doctor didn't consider the other possibility, which was first raised by a Canadian physician named Dr Charles Hoffe when he saw it occurring in his own patients.

What he discovered through the D Dimer test was the existence of many microscopic clots scattered throughout the capillary network of his patients. The clots exist but they are too small to show up on any scan. He knew the clots were there because of (a) the D Dimer test; and (b) the patients symptoms, which were consistent with clots.

When he raised his safety concerns with the Canadian Health authorities he was threatened with de-registration. Any doctor daring to say that the vaccine has safety issues must be stamped on from a great height.

I hope your son goes well. My thoughts are with you.

 

[FinestTigers]

Nothing I have written is contradictory, garbage or pure nonsense. You may view it as such, but it isn’t.
I suggest you may not really ‘hearing’ my responses at all.

I believe that i care more about those group of people more than you ever can,
Question, do you know someone who is unvaxxed unemployed and therefore will be unemployed indefinately meaning that it will greatly impact their health which could even mean leading to suicide?
This was the reason for my analogy, the two groups of people mentioned in the analogy share the same natural feelings that every human being has, and one of them feelings is known as depression, whether you're a person in a forced marriage or a person unvaxxed unemployed, depression is depression.

So this comparision was made for this reason, and the analogy i think is a good one, it is a thought provoking analogy.

You supposedly showed care and compassion for the one group of people mentioned in the analogy,
But for the other group of people mentioned in the analogy, you neither showed and not even mentioned one caring word about the unvaxxed unemployed people?

And so, you want to teach me what?
How to care about one group of people and to not give a stuff about the other?

Mate, if i were you this is what i would have done because we're not strangers here. I would have gone to PM (private messaging) and said this, mate i feel uneasy about that post you should edit it and blah blah,
But not going on the forum and saying i'm calling you out and then every tom dick and harry jumping in and taking the whole thing out of context.

This is the difference between you and me when showing caring for people So let's stop your nonsense about i care about people and you don't.

You literally no very little about me, to
accuse me of not caring is insulting. Bye.

Mate, i'm not saying your not a caring type, i'm certain you are, judging by your natural tonal language, you are a caring person. But you upset me and i now i upset you, And, i don't need to teach you and you don't need to teach me about caring for people, We are both very caring people.

 

[mike]

FWIW an update on my son. I went to the hospital last night with him. When he got to the hospital he had bad chest pain and bad abdominal pain, 110 heartrate.

Blood tests included D Dimer test which is to test for blood clots. Over 0.5 indicates blood clots, his result was 7.0 which is high for any age group, very high for a 21yo. About 4hours later then did a CT angiogram and they couldnt find the clot. It was approximately 9hour process waiting for scans and results. In that time the pain stopped.

Doc said that with that blood test result, it was certainly at least one clot but they cant find it. It may have dissolved whist we were in the hospital. He got sent home at 2am this morning. More tests required but he is fine at the moment.

So glad to hear. Hope the recovery continues and is speedy.

 

[innsaneink]

Nothing I have written is contradictory, garbage or pure nonsense. You may view it as such, but it isn’t.
I suggest you may not really ‘hearing’ my responses at all.

I believe that i care more about those group of people more than you ever can,
Question, do you know someone who is unvaxxed unemployed and therefore will be unemployed indefinately meaning that it will greatly impact their health which could even mean leading to suicide?
This was the reason for my analogy, the two groups of people mentioned in the analogy share the same natural feelings that every human being has, and one of them feelings is known as depression, whether you're a person in a forced marriage or a person unvaxxed unemployed, depression is depression.

So this comparision was made for this reason, and the analogy i think is a good one, it is a thought provoking analogy.

You supposedly showed care and compassion for the one group of people mentioned in the analogy,
But for the other group of people mentioned in the analogy, you neither showed and not even mentioned one caring word about the unvaxxed unemployed people?

And so, you want to teach me what?
How to care about one group of people and to not give a stuff about the other?

Mate, if i were you this is what i would have done because we're not strangers here. I would have gone to PM (private messaging) and said this, mate i feel uneasy about that post you should edit it and blah blah,
But not going on the forum and saying i'm calling you out and then every tom dick and harry jumping in and taking the whole thing out of context.

This is the difference between you and me when showing caring for people So let's stop your nonsense about i care about people and you don't.

You literally no very little about me, to
accuse me of not caring is insulting. Bye.

Mate, i'm not saying your not a caring type, i'm certain you are, judging by your natural tonal language, you are a caring person. But you upset me and i now i upset you, And, i don't need to teach you and you don't need to teach me about caring for people, We are both very caring people.

You were getting upset here months back... Still getting upset now.

Make me.wonder why you visit.