Coronavirus Outbreak

[jadtiger]

So 390 and still rising. Meanwhile as those cases were compiled, we had Hazzard continually not allowing Dr Chant to speak when questioned by the committee yesterday.

Has she resigned, as rumours abound that she is at the end of her rope and sick of being thrown under the bus?

Hazzard has gagged her because her advice is contrary to the tripe coming out of his mouth right now. You've got a state govt who cannot communicate properly at the moment, and it's showing in the advice being given.

Dr Chant has obviously long been concerned, as three weeks ago with about a third of the daily cases, she declared her thoughts on it being a national emergency. Instead we have had an LGA based approach as some things have been opened back up as it spreads far and wide.

To any of my brothers and sisters most recently forced to join in this lockdown, keep your chins up and I hope that yours is only short and sharp so that you are spared the same result as those around me.

I do feel for her. She's been used as fodder in this whole sorry affair.

Chant has offered her resignation and to step aside but it won’t be accepted because of the optics of it .

I'm surprised that didn't accept to use her as a scapegoat.

You can guarantee that Gladys and Hazzard will put all the blame on anyone but themselves.They have no shame

 

[mike]

Its always ironic how people who refuse to get vaccinated change there minds quiet suddenly once they catch covid...

Unfortunately, then it’s too late.

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

So this new Moderna vax.
Apparently it's in the final stages of approval from TGA, or whichever Gov't body approves these things.
Anyway, still not approved, but the doses will arrive in Australia in a few days.
Nothing suspicious there. All above board.
The speed at which these vaxes are approved, and the speed at which the good and compassionate folks that make Moderna can ship this stuff internationally in a matter of days during a pandemic ( when international shipping is a lucky dip ), is indeed heartwarming. What nice people. Taking a punt on millions of dollars worth of their product, without even knowing if it's approved or not. Cough cough.
But not suspicious at all.
Hey, maybe Mr Moderna took that dump in the regional sewerage plant ?

 

[swag_tiger]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

 

[earl]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn't take it easy on anyone. It not like it's doing to feel bad about infecting anyone.

I think masks are mostly about protecting others.

I see heaps of people walking outside without a mask or a mask around their neck. I even see groups of people walking together. I'm in a locked down LGA. I don't think wearing a mask outdoors while going on a walk is helping anyone but it shows to me how people just don't care.

I live close to Wentworth Point and when I walk to Wentworth point I notice the people who don't seem to care more. It's also packed full of units. It honestly looks like a powder keg to me right now.

I just heard Gladys state 70% fully vaccinated by end of October and 80% by November based on current numbers. I hope that happens because I can't see these lockdowns working for much longer than that.

 

[earl]

Apparently it’s in the final stages of approval from TGA, or whichever Gov’t body approves these things.

If so you should trust it.

 

[Nelson]

So this new Moderna vax.
Apparently it's in the final stages of approval from TGA, or whichever Gov't body approves these things.
Anyway, still not approved, but the doses will arrive in Australia in a few days.
Nothing suspicious there. All above board.
The speed at which these vaxes are approved, and the speed at which the good and compassionate folks that make Moderna can ship this stuff internationally in a matter of days during a pandemic ( when international shipping is a lucky dip ), is indeed heartwarming. What nice people. Taking a punt on millions of dollars worth of their product, without even knowing if it's approved or not. Cough cough.
But not suspicious at all.
Hey, maybe Mr Moderna took that dump in the regional sewerage plant ?

It was provisionally registered by the TGA on 9 August 2021 which means it is able to be lawfully supplied in Australia.

 

[earl]

These companies are making a fortune as well. They aren't doing it out of the goodness of their heart.

The AZ vaccine has been produced at cost so it's not like every company is just after money as well.

 

[Tiger Beach]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

 

[swag_tiger]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?
Are you saying this response is way to harsh am not necessarily?
If so what would you have do if you were the leaders shoes?

 

[earl]

Data is an awesome way to check your premise.

I think the premise being made is that only .15% of the population will get COVID. Then we have a mortality rate of 2.5%.

If the same .15% percentage of people develop COVID there is no issue. It sort of makes sense.

The problem is I think basically 100% of people will develop COVID. WIth a mortality rate of 2.5% that is a disaster like we will never ever see.

If you look at the world this virus is going nuts. It's twice as infectious and it's so contagious it doesn't look like it's going to die out (the so called herd immunity).

Vaccination changes the picture significantly but to me those figures are scary.

 

[swag_tiger]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

In my opinion ......

What would you have do if you were in there shoes. ?
You know the virus doesn't disappear after an infected person dies right. The deaths have been low because of the countries putting up these measures. They would be higher if we went on like it was a flu.

 

[earl]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

In my opinion ......

What would you have do if you were in there shoes. ?
You know the virus doesn't disappear after an infected person dies right. The deaths have been low because of the countries putting up these measures. They would be higher if we did nothing.

If we have a morality rate of 2.5%, no vaccination and 100% of people developing COVID there would be over 600k dead in Australia ?

Is that acceptable ?

It's also a pandemic because we've had a massive amount of deaths across the world from a new virus. I am pretty sure that classifies this as a pandemic.

I'm not providing an opinion. I'm just doing the figures based on the figures provided above.

 

[Tiger Beach]

Data is an awesome way to check your premise.

I think the premise being made is that only .15% of the population will get COVID. Then we have a mortality rate of 2.5%.

If the same .15% percentage of people develop COVID there is no issue. It sort of makes sense.

The problem is I think basically 100% of people will develop COVID. WIth a mortality rate of 2.5% that is a disaster like we will never ever see.

You are assuming the remaining 24,962,000 will all test positively eventually, that feel's a bold projection to me when we sit at 38,000 in a bit over a year and a half

The likelihood that the mortality rate stays at 2.5%, well who knows. It was 3.2% in 2020 but as of today is only at 0.41% for 2021 so it suggests that it is declining

In my view it is a disaster we will never ever see

 

[swag_tiger]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

In my opinion ......

What would you have do if you were in there shoes. ?
You know the virus doesn't disappear after an infected person dies right. The deaths have been low because of the countries putting up these measures. They would be higher if we did nothing.

If we have a morality rate of 2.5%, no vaccination and 100% of people developing COVID there would be over 600k dead in Australia ?

Is that acceptable ?

It's also a pandemic because we've had a massive amount of deaths across the world from a new virus. I am pretty sure that classifies this as a pandemic.

The virus wouldn't just disappear either. It would keep circulating.

 

[earl]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

In my opinion ......

What would you have do if you were in there shoes. ?
You know the virus doesn't disappear after an infected person dies right. The deaths have been low because of the countries putting up these measures. They would be higher if we did nothing.

If we have a morality rate of 2.5%, no vaccination and 100% of people developing COVID there would be over 600k dead in Australia ?

Is that acceptable ?

It's also a pandemic because we've had a massive amount of deaths across the world from a new virus. I am pretty sure that classifies this as a pandemic.

The virus wouldn't just disappear either. It would keep circulating.

Yep. The herd immunity approach is that if enough people get it or enough people are vaccinated the virus basically has no where to go and dies out.

I don't think many people believe this is going to happen. It's more likely to be around for a long time. It should be less deadly but yep we are going to keep getting infected.

I'm not really a fan of lockdowns but those figures are scary and are a pretty good argument for ongoing restrictions.

 

[swag_tiger]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

In my opinion ......

What would you have do if you were in there shoes. ?
You know the virus doesn't disappear after an infected person dies right. The deaths have been low because of the countries putting up these measures. They would be higher if we did nothing.

If we have a morality rate of 2.5%, no vaccination and 100% of people developing COVID there would be over 600k dead in Australia ?

Is that acceptable ?

It's also a pandemic because we've had a massive amount of deaths across the world from a new virus. I am pretty sure that classifies this as a pandemic.

The virus wouldn't just disappear either. It would keep circulating.

Yep. The herd immunity approach is that if enough people get it or enough people are vaccinated the virus basically has no where to go and dies out.

I don't think many people believe this is going to happen. It's more likely to be around for a long time. It should be less deadly but yep we are going to keep getting infected.

That's if it doesn't mutate which would definitely happen if we didn't have these tight protocols.

 

[earl]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

In my opinion ......

What would you have do if you were in there shoes. ?
You know the virus doesn't disappear after an infected person dies right. The deaths have been low because of the countries putting up these measures. They would be higher if we did nothing.

If we have a morality rate of 2.5%, no vaccination and 100% of people developing COVID there would be over 600k dead in Australia ?

Is that acceptable ?

It's also a pandemic because we've had a massive amount of deaths across the world from a new virus. I am pretty sure that classifies this as a pandemic.

The virus wouldn't just disappear either. It would keep circulating.

Yep. The herd immunity approach is that if enough people get it or enough people are vaccinated the virus basically has no where to go and dies out.

I don't think many people believe this is going to happen. It's more likely to be around for a long time. It should be less deadly but yep we are going to keep getting infected.

That's if it doesn't mutate which would definitely happen if we didn't have these tight protocols.

It will mutate. The question is what variants will survive. This is the argument pro-vaxxers state in relation to an additional cost to society of not getting vaccinated. If we all get vaccinated the virus may die off. That is going to be exceptionally hard because you have to wipe the virus out across the world.

 

[Nelson]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

In my opinion ......

I ran out of down votes on you for the day, so I'm stuck having to respond. A "pandemic" is an epidemic occurring on a scale that crosses international boundaries. Statistics based on a single country would, by definition, never constitute a "pandemic". You might want to look at **all** the data on COVID that qualifies it as a pandemic, like the countries where there have been more than 500,000 deaths, or the 23 countries (including Spain, the USA and Argentina) where more than 10% of the population have been infected, or the 18 countries where more than 2,000/million population have died.

Nobody fought a war so that you wouldn't have to wear a mask and could carry on like a dickhead, that is just an unfortunate side effect of the freedoms that people fought to preserve.

 

[Tiger5150]

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Intentional misrepresentation.

949 deaths in 18 months under strictest restrictions and lockdowns with restrictions on what people can do and where they can go, wearing masks etc is not comparable in any way to similar numbers of Influenza under zero restrictions.

With no restrictions the deaths would have been in the order of at least 10 x. Be serious mate.

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

It is at best complete garbage and possibly intentional misinformation. Comparing COVID deaths under lockdown to Influenza deaths in an unrestricted society is either rubbish our malicious misinformation. Which were you going for?