Cricket Season Thread

@happy tiger said:
@Yossarian said:
Reverse sweep (which is basically just twisting your wrists around) is a bit of a step below what these guys are doing now, especially Warner who actually changes his grip to a right handed one to play the shot.
Besides we all remember Gatting's infamous use of the reverse sweep in the 1987 World Cup!

Which in a sense was what I was alluding to Yoss

Can you imagine the reaction if in a World Cup Final Warner attempts the stroke and top edges it gets caught and we lose …..

I wouldn't blame him. He's shown it is not an overly risky shot for him. He's just as, if not more likely to get out playing a conventional shot.
 
@Yossarian said:
Reverse sweep (which is basically just twisting your wrists around) is a bit of a step below what these guys are doing now, especially Warner who actually changes his grip to a right handed one to play the shot.
Besides we all remember Gatting's infamous use of the reverse sweep in the 1987 World Cup!

Agreed Yoss. The reverse sweep is the poor cousin of the switch hit. What KP and now Warner do is change everything about their stance, body position, grip and target area….and they do this in a split second. To change all of that as the bowler releases the ball and hit it for 6 is astonishing.
 
@stryker said:
@Yossarian said:
Reverse sweep (which is basically just twisting your wrists around) is a bit of a step below what these guys are doing now, especially Warner who actually changes his grip to a right handed one to play the shot.
Besides we all remember Gatting's infamous use of the reverse sweep in the 1987 World Cup!

Agreed Yoss. The reverse sweep is the poor cousin of the switch hit. What KP and now Warner do is change everything about their stance, body position, grip and target area….and they do this in a split second. To change all of that as the bowler releases the ball and hit it for 6 is astonishing.

Sure is. It's one thing to get into position but to hit it so cleanly is amazing. He seemed to hit it crisper that his left-handed shots.
 
Anyone who thinks ODI's arent rivetting cricket should watch a replay of todays game between Australia and Sri Lanka. It was a great game punctuated by superb bowling and fielding from both teams and some gutsy batting from Clarke and Sri Lanka's Mathews. The latter played a lone hand in a run chase that almost got there.

In the last 3 or so overs, the fielding of Dan Christian got the aussies home with 3 or 4 incredible boundary saves and the final catch. That was a great game and the skills on show were excellent - from both nations. This is going to be a top series….
 
@Yossarian said:
@stryker said:
@Yossarian said:
Reverse sweep (which is basically just twisting your wrists around) is a bit of a step below what these guys are doing now, especially Warner who actually changes his grip to a right handed one to play the shot.
Besides we all remember Gatting's infamous use of the reverse sweep in the 1987 World Cup!

Agreed Yoss. The reverse sweep is the poor cousin of the switch hit. What KP and now Warner do is change everything about their stance, body position, grip and target area….and they do this in a split second. To change all of that as the bowler releases the ball and hit it for 6 is astonishing.

Sure is. It's one thing to get into position but to hit it so cleanly is amazing. He seemed to hit it crisper that his left-handed shots.

I know I'm probably going to be shouted down with this attitude but I don't agree that the batsman should actually be allowed to face up one way and then switch and hit the other

My reasoning for this is bowlers can't bowl either hand The bowler must nominate which side (either over or around the wicket ) and must nominate whether he is bowling right or left handed

If you want to make it fair for both batsman and bowlers make the sightscreens 30 metres wider and let bowlers bowl either over or around the wicket and they can also bowl right or left handed without telling the umpire or batsman I bet my last dollar no batsman would want that or would start switching from left or right handed then
 
@happy tiger said:
@Yossarian said:
@stryker said:
@Yossarian said:
Reverse sweep (which is basically just twisting your wrists around) is a bit of a step below what these guys are doing now, especially Warner who actually changes his grip to a right handed one to play the shot.
Besides we all remember Gatting's infamous use of the reverse sweep in the 1987 World Cup!

Agreed Yoss. The reverse sweep is the poor cousin of the switch hit. What KP and now Warner do is change everything about their stance, body position, grip and target area….and they do this in a split second. To change all of that as the bowler releases the ball and hit it for 6 is astonishing.

Sure is. It's one thing to get into position but to hit it so cleanly is amazing. He seemed to hit it crisper that his left-handed shots.

I know I'm probably going to be shouted down with this attitude but I don't agree that the batsman should actually be allowed to face up one way and then switch and hit the other

My reasoning for this is bowlers can't bowl either hand The bowler must nominate which side (either over or around the wicket ) and must nominate whether he is bowling right or left handed

If you want to make it fair for both batsman and bowlers make the sightscreens 30 metres wider and let bowlers bowl either over or around the wicket and they can also bowl right or left handed without telling the umpire or batsman I bet my last dollar no batsman would want that or would start switching from left or right handed then

I know exactly what you are saying Happy however the only reason why I'm fine with the switch hit is that it is such a difficult shot to play. So the bowlers can easily see that as a wicket taking opportunity.
One thing I don't like it though is how the batsman change their grip. I think they should be allowed to change their stance, (In Warner's case, change to a right hander's stance) but their grip on the bat should not move and should remain the same.
 
I think things will balance out if the switch hit becomes more common. Any decent bowler should be able to see what is going on especially the faster bowlers (in fact the ball Warner clubbed right-handed was the outside off line you expect a bowler to bowl to a right hander - if Warner stayed in the his original position it would be probably have been a leg side wide). It's not too different to batsmen charging or backing away. Smart bowlers will work out a smart response. Spear one into the "right'handers" leg stump and you're a big chance of getting a LBW - it's easy for right handers to miss balls pitching outside leg but the LBW decision needs to be assessed on the original stance of the batsman. Similar thing for wides.
At the end of the day the quality of the shot was the key.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Yossarian said:
@stryker said:
@Yossarian said:
Reverse sweep (which is basically just twisting your wrists around) is a bit of a step below what these guys are doing now, especially Warner who actually changes his grip to a right handed one to play the shot.
Besides we all remember Gatting's infamous use of the reverse sweep in the 1987 World Cup!

Agreed Yoss. The reverse sweep is the poor cousin of the switch hit. What KP and now Warner do is change everything about their stance, body position, grip and target area….and they do this in a split second. To change all of that as the bowler releases the ball and hit it for 6 is astonishing.

Sure is. It's one thing to get into position but to hit it so cleanly is amazing. He seemed to hit it crisper that his left-handed shots.

I know I'm probably going to be shouted down with this attitude but I don't agree that the batsman should actually be allowed to face up one way and then switch and hit the other

My reasoning for this is bowlers can't bowl either hand The bowler must nominate which side (either over or around the wicket ) and must nominate whether he is bowling right or left handed

If you want to make it fair for both batsman and bowlers make the sightscreens 30 metres wider and let bowlers bowl either over or around the wicket and they can also bowl right or left handed without telling the umpire or batsman I bet my last dollar no batsman would want that or would start switching from left or right handed then

Happy, I disagree with the furore about switch hitting for one simple reason. A spinner is able to deceive the batsman and throw up a wrong'un/doosra or a straight ball instead of their stock delivery, and the paceman is able to bowl a cutting delivery and utilise reverse swing, and they don't have to notify the batsman of their intentions, so why can't the batsman employ the same deceptive techniques if they are good enough to pull it off?
 
CB Any batsman worth his salt if he is watching the ball out of the hand should be able to pick up the variations in a spinners reportoire ie Standard leggie ,flipper ,over spinner ,wrong un ,toppie If you watch even Warnie closely his shoulder comes through at different angles to deliver certain balls

A batsman should be looking at the ball when facing a quickie ie looking for the shinie side is ,whether his fingers at vertically down the seam or acroos the seam and they now after 40 oversor so that the ball might start to reverse

If you are facing a swing \cut bowler that bowls a slower ball the fingers are further apart

If you asked Ponting ,Tendulkar etc they are looking at the hand of the bowler
 
A good score by the Aussies, 8/269\. Hussey and Forrest played well.

I was a bit disappointed that they couldn't push on in the last 10 overs to 280-290 odd, but going by the way the Indians bowled and the way the Aussies batted, I think the pitch is just holding up a bit. I'm expecting Doherty to be very tidy and a lot of cutters and slower balls from the quicks.
 
Looking at a grand stand finish for this match. Australia need to get both these guys out to win it I think, Dhoni is a great is the pressure situations and Raina is going well. We need to get into the bowlers.
 
Need to get Dhoni, whether or not he's there at the end will determine who wins this game. The Jadeja wicket may be a little too much pressure on him, but really apart from Mike Hussey there is no better player to have out there in this situation.
 
Yeah poor last over from McKay…he'll learn from that. Not the best game from the Aussies today. 57 off the last 10 in an ODI is unsatisfactory. Bowling pretty wayward in patches and so was our fielding.

All credit to Dhoni though. He has had a wretched summer but tonight proved why he is so rated.
 
It's not often I agree with Tony Grieg, but by golly some in-swinging yorkers would have been quite handy in that last over.
 
Just OT a bit, is anyone else getting sick of these commentators constantly crapping on about Alcatraz? I have seen a couple of episodes and gave up as it is VERY mediocre.

I would be surprised if it lasts a full season before it is yanked.
 
@stryker said:
Just OT a bit, is anyone else getting sick of these commentators constantly crapping on about Alcatraz? I have seen a couple of episodes and gave up as it is VERY mediocre.

I would be surprised if it lasts a full season before it is yanked.

Mate, you should have watched the Australian Open. The plugging tonight had nothing on channel 7 with that ridiculous 'My Kitchen Rules' garbage and the 'yeah' crap. They plugged it between every single game of the match. I gotta say though that Alcatraz show looks pretty interesting
 
@stryker said:
Just OT a bit, is anyone else getting sick of these commentators constantly crapping on about Alcatraz? I have seen a couple of episodes and gave up as it is VERY mediocre.

I would be surprised if it lasts a full season before it is yanked.

Unfortunately it's the future of advertising with people IQing stuff and skipping ads/watching things online.
 

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