@Jazza said:
If Smith doesn't fire Jazza, thats a very long tail…
Cricket Season Thread
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If Smith doesn't fire Jazza, thats a very long tail…
Aussie team needs some work with that shocking Loss.
How Ironic that we were praying for English weather to save us….
How Ironic that we were praying for English weather to save us….
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Is Ponting one of the worst Australian captains in living memory?
Lets ignore his recent batting performances but since McGrath & Warne retired he seems to never set anything but a defensive field against quality sides. Dropped catches have hurt us yes but it is like after 20 overs with the new ball he is resigned to try and limit the oppositions scoring rather than get them out.
Surely North has sealed his fate this series. But knowing the selectors the only change will be Johnson in for Doherty
Lets ignore his recent batting performances but since McGrath & Warne retired he seems to never set anything but a defensive field against quality sides. Dropped catches have hurt us yes but it is like after 20 overs with the new ball he is resigned to try and limit the oppositions scoring rather than get them out.
Surely North has sealed his fate this series. But knowing the selectors the only change will be Johnson in for Doherty
@smeghead said:
Ironically he is the most successful as well, factoring in two Ashes losses and what looks to be a third…
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@smeghead said:
That would leave with 4 pacemen, one medium and no spinners whatdoever.
1\. Marsh
2\. Hughes
3\. Ponting
4\. Clarke
5\. Hussey
6\. Watson
7\. Haddin
8\. Johnson
9\. Hauritz
10\. Harris
11\. Bollinger
Katich is a major loss TBH, one of the true opening batsman. Hughes and Marsh has not much experience and Watson is not a specialist.
There will be competition between Marsh and Hughes as they know one of them will have to go when Katich comes back and this might make them work better hopefully.
As for Ponting, he HAS to perform, he is the captain and he has to lead from the front. I hope he takes some tips from Warnie this time about how to captain the side. Listening to him on TV, Warnie has an incredibly amazing cricket head, and Ponting needs to learn from him.
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thats if katich returns he has a major injury and is 35 so it might be easier for him if he just retires
@Jazza said:
Yes but most fringe batsmen are confidence driven and rely on an established partner and reasonable total so that the innings don't completely hinge on them, I can only imagine the pressure that Harris, Doherty, Siddle and Bolly would have felt going out knowing that they had to stick out two sessions.
We shouldn't have to rely on Harris and Hauritz to save the innings. IMO, if you have three scores less than 20 in the top six you can generally consider your innings a failure.
@Cultured Bogan said:
Yeh thats right, thats why I dont really care so much about the length of the tail, otherwise I would of put Khawaja in ahead of Smith. The simple matter is, we are 1-0 down, we need to win 2 matches which is what bowlers do, whilst at the same time not losing at all. I'd rather lose the Ashes trying to win, then lose the Ashes trying not to lose.
Hilarious!
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England's thumping of Australia in the second Ashes Test nearly sparked a different type of thumping between veteran cricket rivals Ian Botham and Ian Chappell in Adelaide.
The English knight and the Aussie had to be dragged apart after reportedly clashing in the Adelaide Oval car park.
The two men, who are said not to have spoken to each other since 1980 despite being regular cricket commentators at the same events, squared up as Botham waited to be picked to go to the airport, Britain's Daily Mail reported.
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Chappell, from Channel Nine, "muttered something highly provocative as he went past", reported the paper, and Botham, from Sky, snapped: "What did you say?"
They dropped their bags and "went for each other" before being separated by their colleagues from Channel Nine and Sky.
"It could have got very nasty if there hadn't been people on hand to keep them apart," a Channel Nine source was reported as telling the Mail.
"They reacted quickly because we all know the history between these two. They might be aged 55 and 67, but neither of them are the type of people to give an inch in the face of conflict."
The animosity between the pair started in 1977, when, during the Centenary Test in Melbourne, Botham said Chappell uttered comments attacking the English, so he punched him and chased him out of a pub.
Chappell's version of events was that Botham had teased him about not touring in England because "too many blokes are looking to knock your block off".
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/cricket-legends-come-to-blows-at-ashes-20101207-18o28.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
England's thumping of Australia in the second Ashes Test nearly sparked a different type of thumping between veteran cricket rivals Ian Botham and Ian Chappell in Adelaide.
The English knight and the Aussie had to be dragged apart after reportedly clashing in the Adelaide Oval car park.
The two men, who are said not to have spoken to each other since 1980 despite being regular cricket commentators at the same events, squared up as Botham waited to be picked to go to the airport, Britain's Daily Mail reported.
Advertisement: Story continues below
Chappell, from Channel Nine, "muttered something highly provocative as he went past", reported the paper, and Botham, from Sky, snapped: "What did you say?"
They dropped their bags and "went for each other" before being separated by their colleagues from Channel Nine and Sky.
"It could have got very nasty if there hadn't been people on hand to keep them apart," a Channel Nine source was reported as telling the Mail.
"They reacted quickly because we all know the history between these two. They might be aged 55 and 67, but neither of them are the type of people to give an inch in the face of conflict."
The animosity between the pair started in 1977, when, during the Centenary Test in Melbourne, Botham said Chappell uttered comments attacking the English, so he punched him and chased him out of a pub.
Chappell's version of events was that Botham had teased him about not touring in England because "too many blokes are looking to knock your block off".
@smeghead said:
Absolutley agree in relation to your comment about Ponting Smeg. His position has to be seriously evaluated he has been on borrowed time for a while now. If North gets picked again this would have to make up and coming batsmen wonder if they ever have a chance of breaking through to the Australian team. Watch for Johnson to fight back in Perth if he is picked.
We must beat the poms!!!!!!!
Im hanging for the English tabloid headlines.
Aus performance is to be expected with the poor or limited build up to the series.
Time to go young`
Aus performance is to be expected with the poor or limited build up to the series.
Time to go young`
@Jazza said:
Fair points mate. I echo your sentiments.
Hauritz for Doherty is a must. Why he was dropped? He was injured and missed an ODI where Doherty (who has been competing with Kresja for a State spot yet the next best option because of our lack of depth) gets 4 wickets. Thats it and than his a test spinner. Ridiculous. Australia was in a panic before the series. Hauritz is our best spinner. He got 5 wickets in the 2nd innings at the WACA last week. Its more than a common sense move.
North can go to the WACA and watch from a corporate box. Steve Smith is an option if you want them your 6 to bowl spin, though his spin is not reliable. Cam White is the other option. He can slip-field too which is handy. Another captain option as well. Ferguson is an option as is George Bailey for pure batsman.
I would bring Brad Hodge in. We need runs and he is scoring plenty. Even if its only for the next 3 games. He is by far the best State batsman at the moment. Get him in at 4 or 5 and move Clarke and Hussey down. Khawaja needs some time in Sheffield Shield. Only play him if the series is considered lost.
Hughes for Katich is the obvious answer. His dropping in the last Ashes was only supposed to be short-term not that it was needed at all. Shaun Marsh is the other option but he doesn't open in Shield cricket (bats at 3 and 4) which would be a little risky to open in the Test arena.
The quicks I don't know. Harris has to play. Johnson as well as wickets are needed and the tale just folded after Haddin. Siddle is the other I guess. Bollinger struggled in Adelaide though I am a fan. Fitness may be an issue with him. Hilfenhaus just doesn't get enough wickets.
My team
1\. Phillip Hughes
2\. Shane Watson
3\. Ricky Ponting
4\. Brad Hodge
5\. Michael Clarke
6\. Michael Hussey
7\. Brad Haddin
8\. Mitchell Johnson
9\. Nathan Hauritz
10\. Ryan Harris
11\. Peter Siddle
North can go to the WACA and watch from a corporate box. Steve Smith is an option if you want them your 6 to bowl spin, though his spin is not reliable. Cam White is the other option. He can slip-field too which is handy. Another captain option as well. Ferguson is an option as is George Bailey for pure batsman.
I would bring Brad Hodge in. We need runs and he is scoring plenty. Even if its only for the next 3 games. He is by far the best State batsman at the moment. Get him in at 4 or 5 and move Clarke and Hussey down. Khawaja needs some time in Sheffield Shield. Only play him if the series is considered lost.
Hughes for Katich is the obvious answer. His dropping in the last Ashes was only supposed to be short-term not that it was needed at all. Shaun Marsh is the other option but he doesn't open in Shield cricket (bats at 3 and 4) which would be a little risky to open in the Test arena.
The quicks I don't know. Harris has to play. Johnson as well as wickets are needed and the tale just folded after Haddin. Siddle is the other I guess. Bollinger struggled in Adelaide though I am a fan. Fitness may be an issue with him. Hilfenhaus just doesn't get enough wickets.
My team
1\. Phillip Hughes
2\. Shane Watson
3\. Ricky Ponting
4\. Brad Hodge
5\. Michael Clarke
6\. Michael Hussey
7\. Brad Haddin
8\. Mitchell Johnson
9\. Nathan Hauritz
10\. Ryan Harris
11\. Peter Siddle
Marshall_magic
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Hodge is retired from First Class cricket, it's pretty silly to then pick him for tests (and bump your form batsman down a spot). I'd have Bollinger in the team over Johnson, Bollinger has that X-factor about him, where you feel he could take wickets at any moment, Johnson sprays them everywhere, even when he did take lots of wickets, he took a lot from terrible deliveries (although maybe it wasn't a coincidence), I would find it hard to believe his action gets fixed in 2 weeks.
@Marshall_magic said:
Bollinger did hit a wall in Adelaide as Punter said. His fitness is a concern. On Johnson, I think he has to play. Adelaide was ridiculous. He can't be as bad as Brisbane and the tail didn't wag at all.
On Hodge, the bloke isn't playing 1st class cricket but is carving up in the shorter formats. Outside of Hussey, he is the from Australian batsman. I know its a fair difference in formats but his ability, hunger and desire is still there and a change is required.
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Australian Squad for 3rd test
Watson
Hughes
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Smith
Haddin
Beer (spinner from WA with 16 wickets at 39 in the Sheffield Shield)
Harris
Siddle
Hilfenhaus
Johnson
Are they serious with this Beer bloke? For me if your bowling average is above 30, you are just that…average. Haven't seen much of him, but his numbers are not very inspiring. It appears they put every spinner in the countries name in a hat, and draw one out, who will be our guy, honestly, I'd rather we just hold onto Hauritz until O'Keefe is ready to go.
Watson
Hughes
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Smith
Haddin
Beer (spinner from WA with 16 wickets at 39 in the Sheffield Shield)
Harris
Siddle
Hilfenhaus
Johnson
Are they serious with this Beer bloke? For me if your bowling average is above 30, you are just that…average. Haven't seen much of him, but his numbers are not very inspiring. It appears they put every spinner in the countries name in a hat, and draw one out, who will be our guy, honestly, I'd rather we just hold onto Hauritz until O'Keefe is ready to go.
Third Test Squad:
Ricky Ponting ©
Michael Clarke (vc)
Michael Beer
Brad Haddin
Ryan Harris
Phillip Hughes
Ben Hilfenhaus
Mike Hussey
Mitchell Johnson
Peter Siddle
Steven Smith
Shane Watson
Beer to carry the drinks. Good to see Smith get a call up, but I feel for Hauritz who took 3/62 in the second innings and scored 146 in NSW's first dig but Smith has taken 8 wickets for the match. Hopefully Johnson can take some wickets on his adopted home turf.
I still would rather Hodge in that side though!
Ricky Ponting ©
Michael Clarke (vc)
Michael Beer
Brad Haddin
Ryan Harris
Phillip Hughes
Ben Hilfenhaus
Mike Hussey
Mitchell Johnson
Peter Siddle
Steven Smith
Shane Watson
Beer to carry the drinks. Good to see Smith get a call up, but I feel for Hauritz who took 3/62 in the second innings and scored 146 in NSW's first dig but Smith has taken 8 wickets for the match. Hopefully Johnson can take some wickets on his adopted home turf.
I still would rather Hodge in that side though!
Michael Beer?! Okay he has had a reasonable start to the season but bar being a left armer, he isnt any different to Hauritz who they see as a failure. He bowls a bit slower then Doherty but really, the guy surely isnt ready for Test cricket.
Good to see Smith there instead of North but I don't understand why they dropped Johnson and Hilfenhaus, only to recall them after 1 Test. I can only think its a horses for courses decision where they felt the (So called) extra pace and bounce will favour Johnson while the Fremantle doctor will help Hilfenhaus.
But I dont understand why they wont fall on their heels and reselect Hauritz when they did for Johnson and Hilfenhaus.
Good to see Smith there instead of North but I don't understand why they dropped Johnson and Hilfenhaus, only to recall them after 1 Test. I can only think its a horses for courses decision where they felt the (So called) extra pace and bounce will favour Johnson while the Fremantle doctor will help Hilfenhaus.
But I dont understand why they wont fall on their heels and reselect Hauritz when they did for Johnson and Hilfenhaus.
There must be some well worn darts down at Cricket Australia…
We're like England in the late 80s-90s, handing out caps to anyone who shows a spot of potential, overlooking established performers, changing track every test, no clear direction for the future. All you can do is hope for the best...
We're like England in the late 80s-90s, handing out caps to anyone who shows a spot of potential, overlooking established performers, changing track every test, no clear direction for the future. All you can do is hope for the best...
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